Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 18927181)

she paid the bill when the officers arrived.



this country is a joke. push the wage off on the customer and let the owner get all the profit. scam 101 :2 cents:

Originally Posted by bigluv (Post 18927197)

Tipping should be eliminated completely.

The sub culture of wait staff thinking they are somehow special and not actually working a shit job is a farce and it should also be eliminated. Any profession where spitting in someones food is understandable has real problems.

Even in a nice restaurant the job is on the level of a car salesman, in my opinion. Not to be respected.

Most issues revolving around this start with wait staff thinking they are somehow better than they are.

EDIT: I guess I should say, I am fine with the majority of servers who perform their job adequately and whom I tip adequately. But the whole prima donna bullshit needs to change.

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 18926229)

weird tipping culture you guys have. Putting a tip on the bill completely misses the point of a tip. Tips are not mandatory. I give 2 euros tip tops at a restaurant to round off, when anything sucks i give nothing.

Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 18926458)

Lot of people don't realize that Tips is the only source of revenues for the wait Staff.

Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 18926560)

Clearly no one here has worked in the restaurant biz which is surprising. Federal min wage for wait staff is $2.13 an hour. Tipping is not optional, if you think that you are a douchebag asshole. I tip 20% for service and maybe 15% for lousy service, which is rare. And for the Europeans, your service sucks, tip more

Originally Posted by Nembrionic (Post 18926596)

Right, so..bringing them extra business is considered an inconvenience to them?

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927277)

Not my fucking problem that you took a job where you get 2 fucking dollars a hour.

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926673)

If it wasn't for mandatory gratuities, waiters would refuse to serve large parties.

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926723)

If you think its easy try it. I would certainly have quit if I was forced to wait on large tables for free. When you go to a restaurant you are not buying food, but an experience. If you don't want to pay for it, you should go to a grocery store or a McDonalds or some shit.

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927290)

What the hell!! It's your fucking job! Goddamn idiot country.

Originally Posted by RebelR (Post 18926832)

Ate at the Pub, The Hard Rock, and a steak place a bit further away. The Hard Rock shut the kitchen down 10 mins early and served Beer that was half full. One of the guys at the table commented that if you did that in Scotland they would smack you over the head with it. The waitress just shrugged it off. Its not like she gets paid any differently. The pub, we waited 15 mins just for a menu and someone to take a drink order.

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926847)

If you are as big an asshole IRL as you are on the board you have probably ingested a lot of bodily fluids that has no doubt been liberally sprinkled on your food in restaurants.

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927301)

I really hope people will refuse to help you with whatever. Just because they feel like it. You deserve it.

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926896)

Most mid-range restaurants will only alot a server 4 or 5 tables per shift, maybe 6-8 for an experienced one, or an average of 12-16 simultaneous customers max.

If a table of 12 people comes in, he has to handle them exclusively and cant take any other tables in order to give them the attention they need. Usually a group that size will not be in any hurry to leave and camp out awhile, effectively making that waiter's entire shift or a good portion of it a one-party affair.

If a waiter could normally make 100-200 a night hustling a larger group of higher turnover tables, and has to spend all day with one big table who then decides to leave a couple bucks or nothing, they are gonna be pissed. They are going to be one of the restaurants stronger servers or they wouldn't be trusted with a "bigtop" and they are going to have some pull with the manager because they are one of front of the house team's stronger players that likely picks up a lot of slack for noobs and trainees.

So that's why you get "gratted" in large groups.

As to whether it's difficult or not, note that most people that are past highschool and college age are also done waiting tables, the physical and mental demands are pretty high and are not inline with the minimal rewards. It's not a job for lazy people, at least not in decent restaurants, its more a job for people with a lot of energy who haven't figure out how to better capitalize on that energy yet.

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927270)

Wtf has the customer to do with that?
And i hear that excuse a lot btw. Waiters crying about it. Well then find another job where you do get paid. Also most places i've been to in the US the peopld working there must be making 5 times what they do here getting paid per hour. Because of the huge amounts of tips they are getting.

Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 18927329)

Customers should be at least 15% tip on their total tab. ( in the Us)Dont wanna pay it? Then eat at HOME or get a take out! That s how the wait staff generate revenues. It's not hard to understand unless you live on Europe and are clueless about how this works in the US.

Here, educate yourself: http://www.itipping.com/tip-guide-restaurant.htm

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18926912)

Because you take entire section of one particular waiter. You take his time, efforts and money. He needs to pay his bills too, you know.

Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 18927329)

Customers should leave at least 15% tip on their total tab. ( in the Us)Dont wanna pay it? Then eat at HOME or get a take out! That s how the wait staff generate revenues. It's not hard to understand unless you live on Europe and are clueless about how this works in the US.

Here, educate yourself: http://www.itipping.com/tip-guide-restaurant.htm

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18927333)

Are you really suggesting that if people don't want to pay 15%, due to poor service, they should stay home and not use restaurants at all? I personally have no problem with that, I don't really care for restaurants because of the poor service most of them have.

However, 15% of nothing (because no customers are coming in) is not very much money.

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927352)

Wtf are you crying about you homo. I do tip plenty there there. Where did you read that i didn't? Fucking redneck.

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927338)

Not my fucking problem he took a shit job. Why don't you people inderstand that?

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18927384)

No, he took a job that was available for him where 90% of people tip as expected (read customary), the other 10% consisted of blacks, prom kids, fucking cheap ass euros and old farts will stiff them with shitty tip. The reason owners can pay waiters below minimum wage is because its CUSTOMARY in the US to tip 15%. Whats so difficult to understand? You probably have some weird shit too that I might not like, but you dont see me telling you that.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 18927368)

And btw, if a waiter WANTS to choose a $2 base plus tips then let them, but dont force the tip to be mandatory for petes sake. WORK harder and EARN that big payroll you gave up the minimum wage for. Dont be a potato and complain that you deserve it because there was a big table compared to normal. EARN it.

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18925341)

Guess the race.

She wanted to give her "own" tip. I would guess a dollar.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/oddnews-...-29164460.html

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 18927405)

Well, that's why the entire system should be overhauled, haha. Instead of forcing waiters to disciminate about who is tonights paycheck coming from, they should be PAID a fair wage to begin with. Then they wont give a shit what table calls them over.

It's just tough shit if you are assigned a table that has 12 people sitting around it. Totally tough crap. If you want to get 15%, then just do the job, lol. If you can put 17% mandatory, then do it for ALL tables. And dont call it a tip because it's not a tip. I'm super simple to please on this shit. It's not a tip if you're forcing me to pay it. If I'm giving it to you when I do NOT have to, tada! It's a tip.

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18927224)

First she tried to steal but when police arrived she decided to pay for it. How typical.

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18927305)

Well fuck, tell that to fucking lazy ass Euros who give you dirty looks if you ask for coke refill or to bring some sugar for your coffee. Now thats some fucking service there, and its included in the bill no matter how much you spend or how many people in your party.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18926276)

i usually give 10% which makes me here in CZ look like a crazy rich person :1orglaugh

when a Czech person gets a restaurant bill of 743 czech crowns, he MAYBE gives 750 - and 7 crowns are 28 euro cents

Originally Posted by RebelR (Post 18927238)

The only problem is that if you eliminate tipping, you remove the control of the restaurant patron. The restaurant pays the server more, which raises the price of the food you are paying for, and now an extra 17% is now on your bill, which you have no choice but to pay.

I think the system works fine, and I've never had any issue paying a tip. Even when service is slow, having come from restaurant background, I realize that there are circumstances beyond the server's control, and am more forgiving for certain things, while harsher on others. As long as the server is doing their best to rectify the situation, I can wait. But if the server is apathetic, or generally disinterested in performing their job, I lower the tip to around 10%. Quite often those servers are paying out door staff, kitchen, bus boys etc a specific portion of their sales, so stiffing them actually costs them money to serve you.

As for the Prima Donna issue, there's nothing wrong with pride in your job. If you are good at what you do, and can back it up. That's something that I think the Euro Waiters have over the ones in North America, over there it's a profession. Over here, its something to do while waiting for your other career to take off, or while you are in school.

Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 18927329)

It's not hard to understand unless you live on Europe and are clueless about how this works in the US.

Originally Posted by klinton (Post 18927558)

1 usd of tip ? crazy, rich guy.......

Originally Posted by Nembrionic (Post 18927544)

How is not tipping stealing?

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 18927550)

"custom" can kiss my ass :) If someone has a shit poor attitude then I'll pay the price for the food and make them dance to earn 5% or they can eat cat food.

Again, call it a surcharge, call it a mandatory wait staff customer payout, but it's NOT a "tip" and it's NOT a "gratuity". Simple. Change the damn name of it and stop pretending it's correct to have a thing called a "mandatory tip", because it isn't.

Originally Posted by Nembrionic (Post 18927552)

Which countries are you talking about? Or is it just Amsterdam?

Regarding refills: here in the Netherlands we don't do refills. It sucks if you're not used to it and you expect one. But, to use your own argument: if you don't like it, don't come over :winkwink:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 18927574)

Here in Russia I pay about 20% tips if I like the service very much - the waiter girls looked cool and they were very kind, quick and obliging. Otherwise I can give them nothing or even get their manager to bring me some extra food/drinks because there was something I didn't like.

Originally Posted by Nembrionic (Post 18926736)

This I totally agree on. Cultural. Not racial either...cultural.



See above. That shit doesn't fly over here. Over here large parties get discount because they bring in a shitload of money and aren't considered a pest and a nuisance because they're not eating with <4 people.

It really amazes me how fucked up some places are.

Originally Posted by RebelR (Post 18927238)

The only problem is that if you eliminate tipping, you remove the control of the restaurant patron. The restaurant pays the server more, which raises the price of the food you are paying for, and now an extra 17% is now on your bill, which you have no choice but to pay.

I think the system works fine, and I've never had any issue paying a tip. Even when service is slow, having come from restaurant background, I realize that there are circumstances beyond the server's control, and am more forgiving for certain things, while harsher on others. As long as the server is doing their best to rectify the situation, I can wait. But if the server is apathetic, or generally disinterested in performing their job, I lower the tip to around 10%. Quite often those servers are paying out door staff, kitchen, bus boys etc a specific portion of their sales, so stiffing them actually costs them money to serve you.

As for the Prima Donna issue, there's nothing wrong with pride in your job. If you are good at what you do, and can back it up. That's something that I think the Euro Waiters have over the ones in North America, over there it's a profession. Over here, its something to do while waiting for your other career to take off, or while you are in school.

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18927615)

And what if its a guy? You dont give him shit?

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18927597)

Why dont you watch video first?

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927642)

Where exactly are you from? Are you in the US? You talk like a Russian.

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927642)

Where exactly are you from? Are you in the US? You talk like a Russian.