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alextokyo 05-03-2012 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by brentbacardi (Post 18926550)
I am trained in martial arts
Shame you're still shit at it. :1orglaugh

Just Alex 05-03-2012 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Nembrionic (Post 18926900)
Right..so..regardless of what the rules are etc etc....can you explain to me WHY a surcharge for larger groups is okay?

So far I've seen several people talk about it but I can't find any other reason for them defending it other than "it's always been that way".

Tell me, why do you feel you should pay a surcharge if you come with larger groups?
Because you take entire section of one particular waiter. You take his time, efforts and money. He needs to pay his bills too, you know. Working big party is like working corporate event or private party that takes up entire restaurant. Get the idea? Ask those that rented entire restaurant for an event. Do you think service charge was optional? Fuck now.

Colmike9 05-03-2012 08:33 AM
If you have to worry about whether not you have to pay an extra 17% grat. at a restaurant, then eat at home. Problem solved.

nico-t 05-03-2012 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 18926853)
Oh, Amsterdam and the 'Half Full Pint'.

Us Brits will just never accept that a Dutch Pint is a Pint.

Wars have been fought for less.
dont know where you guys get half full beers but i live here all my live and ive never gotten a half full beer.

I do agree that around here the time between sitting down -> when the waiter arrives, is way too long. Extremely annoying. Takes too long? I walk away. But that has improved the last couple of years though.

teomaxxx 05-03-2012 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18926276)
i usually give 10% which makes me here in CZ look like a crazy rich person :1orglaugh

when a Czech person gets a restaurant bill of 743 czech crowns, he MAYBE gives 750 - and 7 crowns are 28 euro cents
being from Czech i give usually 10 percent too, if i am satisfied. if not, then 5 percent and if the things went wrong usually under 5 percent.

Just Alex 05-03-2012 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by teomaxxx (Post 18926922)
being from Czech i give usually 10 percent too, if i am satisfied. if not, then 5 percent and if the things went wrong usually under 5 percent.
Please do everyone a favor. Stay in fucking Czech and don't ever come here. You're not invited.

Tom_PM 05-03-2012 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926896)
Most mid-range restaurants will only alot a server 4 or 5 tables per shift, maybe 6-8 for an experienced one, or an average of 12-16 simultaneous customers max.

If a table of 12 people comes in, he has to handle them exclusively and cant take any other tables in order to give them the attention they need. Usually a group that size will not be in any hurry to leave and camp out awhile, effectively making that waiter's entire shift or a good portion of it a one-party affair.

If a waiter could normally make 100-200 a night hustling a larger group of higher turnover tables, and has to spend all day with one big table who then decides to leave a couple bucks or nothing, they are gonna be pissed. They are going to be one of the restaurants stronger servers or they wouldn't be trusted with a "bigtop" and they are going to have some pull with the manager because they are one of front of the house team's stronger players that likely picks up a lot of slack for noobs and trainees.

So that's why you get "gratted" in large groups.

As to whether it's difficult or not, note that most people that are past highschool and college age are also done waiting tables, the physical and mental demands are pretty high and are not inline with the minimal rewards. It's not a job for lazy people, at least not in decent restaurants, its more a job for people with a lot of energy who haven't figure out how to better capitalize on that energy yet.
Of course it's hard menial labor, which is why people like me think they should be paid more. PAID more, not tipped more. Paid by the company that hires them what their work is worth. The system should change from the top down, not from the bottom up.

You know, in other places you go into a restaurant and sit down, you have a buzzer on your table to ring and a waiter comes instantly, they take your order as soon as YOU are ready to order. They bring the food as soon as it's cooked. They aren't allowed to accept tips. And the business (amazingly? miraculously?) thrives. I know.. it can be hard to imagine such a thing exists when we're so used to the way things are here.

Ron Bennett 05-03-2012 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Nembrionic (Post 18926900)
Right..so..regardless of what the rules are etc etc....can you explain to me WHY a surcharge for larger groups is okay?

So far I've seen several people talk about it but I can't find any other reason for them defending it other than "it's always been that way".

Tell me, why do you feel you should pay a surcharge if you come with larger groups?
Main reason is that wait staff in most U.S. jurisdictions are paid far below minimum wage to around $2 per hour. Crazy, but sadly true.

Where I live, Pennsylvania, wait staff can, in many instances, legally be paid low as $2.83 per hour.

Serving a large group can potentially involve multiple wait staff, though more likely, one person dedicated, as in assigned to few if any other tables, to serving that group - if the group doesn't tip sufficiently, the wait staff person is likely earn close to nothing during their shift...

Or to put it another way, serving a large group for a wait staff person is akin to having all their eggs in one basket - hence the often mandatory tip and/or group surcharge.

Restaurants should be required to pay full minimum wage, not counting tips, like most all other employers do.

brassmonkey 05-03-2012 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18926893)
Nigga please, You must have not watched the video because consumer guy (white old guy) explains it for dumb asses like you.
you can't lock someone in a room. they paid the bill the tip was in question. i bet their meeting with a lawyer 2 day https://gfy.com/images/icons/heee.gif

Phoenix 05-03-2012 08:54 AM
as someone who use to be a waiter, let me tell you something.
1. tips are actually mandatory as wait stuff are taxed by the government on 10%
so. so they actually pay tax on that 10% tip you were supposed to give them.

2. If someone is a dick, they dont deserve a tip.

Most wait staff are friendly good looking people, for most of you trolls it is as close as you will get to a hot girl or a hot guy. So you should be nice, they are handling your food for fuck sake.

The last time i waited a table, they gave me 23 cents as a tip.
I was probably the best waiter going at the time. I could have been serving at 5 Star restaurants, but instead i was at an average restaurant. I made from 100 on a low night to 400 on a good night.

When they gave me 23 cents i was currently working night and day. Day at Dell computers in sales, and then at night as a waiter. I walked out into the parking lot, caught up with their car and gave them back the 23 cents.
then i went inside and told everyone what i had done. Then i went to the change room, as i came out the manager was there to tell me i didnt need to work that night... no shit sherlock
I was headed to Peterborough to go to a PArty, my first weekend off in 2 years.
Fuck your restaurant..lol

Anyway, these days i top standard 10%...and 20% if they are hot..or did a wicked job.

EddyTheDog 05-03-2012 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 18926916)
dont know where you guys get half full beers but i live here all my live and ive never gotten a half full beer.

I do agree that around here the time between sitting down -> when the waiter arrives, is way too long. Extremely annoying. Takes too long? I walk away. But that has improved the last couple of years though.
http://i.imgur.com/IlpSh.jpg

Is not a pint!! :error

Nembrionic 05-03-2012 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 18926948)
http://i.imgur.com/IlpSh.jpg

Is not a pint!! :error
That's also not "half full".

baddog 05-03-2012 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18926008)
Pay on CC, chargeback.
Easier said than done.

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 18926134)

I cant believe that the restaurant thinks that charging an extra 17% for parties of 5 or more makes sense.
It is the standard here.

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 18926312)
Not paying a tip is a civil matter. Holding someone against their will is a criminal matter. I wonder why there is no mention of that in the article.
Kidnapping was the first thing that came to my mind.

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Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 18926458)
Lot of people don't realize that Tips is the only source of revenues for the wait Staff.
Really? Where is that?

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Originally Posted by brentbacardi (Post 18926574)
I have worked as host and waiter (worst job of my life!)
Dating waitresses can get expensive

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Originally Posted by Nembrionic (Post 18926623)
Unfortunately that's simply the reality over there.
hmmm, I have known no one that ever got paid that much except maybe back in the 70's

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Originally Posted by PayOut Magazine (Post 18926718)
Unfortunately, it is, provided it's clearly stated by the restaurant. Seen it in a court case before. Customer lost and had to pay, because the restaurant had it stated clearly. The outcome was that if you didn't like their clearly stated policies, don't eat there. If you eat there, you're accepting what amounts to a contract.

Such is life, I guess!
Does not excuse kidnapping.

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 18926735)
no such thing as a one sided contract. both sides have to agree.
You agree by sitting down and placing your order. It is called implied consent.

rogueteens 05-03-2012 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 18926853)
Oh, Amsterdam and the 'Half Full Pint'.

Us Brits will just never accept that a Dutch Pint is a Pint.

Wars have been fought for less.
LOL! true, i was shocked that the "head" counted towards the pint. I had to go outside and push over a few bikes to feel better.

Just Alex 05-03-2012 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 18926939)
you can't lock someone in a room. they paid the bill the tip was in question. i bet their meeting with a lawyer 2 day https://gfy.com/images/icons/heee.gif
They didn't pay anything. They refused to pay the bill with service fee on it and police was called.
Tamisha thought it was way too much and she ain't getting paid not today, not tomorrow. So suck on this. LOL

Tom_PM 05-03-2012 09:40 AM
The video clearly states that they paid it already so it's over with.

Evil1 05-03-2012 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926723)
When you go to a restaurant you are not buying food, but an experience.
Huh? I'm buying food because I'm fucking hungry. In my entire life I have never heard someone say "I'm not hungry but lets go in there, I want to have an experience" :error

Sly 05-03-2012 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil1 (Post 18927092)
Huh? I'm buying food because I'm fucking hungry. In my entire life I have never heard someone say "I'm not hungry but lets go in there, I want to have an experience" :error
You might not say it, but internally you probably think it. You want to sit down, be waited on, and not have to take care of the dishes.

I can eat better food and cheaper at home.

brassmonkey 05-03-2012 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18927039)
They didn't pay anything. They refused to pay the bill with service fee on it and police was called.
Tamisha thought it was way too much and she ain't getting paid not today, not tomorrow. So suck on this. LOL
she paid the bill when the officers arrived.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18927013)


You agree by sitting down and placing your order. It is called implied consent.
this country is a joke. push the wage off on the customer and let the owner get all the profit. scam 101 :2 cents:

bigluv 05-03-2012 10:45 AM
Tipping should be eliminated completely.

The sub culture of wait staff thinking they are somehow special and not actually working a shit job is a farce and it should also be eliminated. Any profession where spitting in someones food is understandable has real problems.

Even in a nice restaurant the job is on the level of a car salesman, in my opinion. Not to be respected.

Most issues revolving around this start with wait staff thinking they are somehow better than they are.

EDIT: I guess I should say, I am fine with the majority of servers who perform their job adequately and whom I tip adequately. But the whole prima donna bullshit needs to change.

DarkJedi 05-03-2012 10:50 AM
It should be higher than 17% if it's a table of nigs.

Just Alex 05-03-2012 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 18927181)
she paid the bill when the officers arrived.



this country is a joke. push the wage off on the customer and let the owner get all the profit. scam 101 :2 cents:
First she tried to steal but when police arrived she decided to pay for it. How typical.

RebelR 05-03-2012 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bigluv (Post 18927197)
Tipping should be eliminated completely.

The sub culture of wait staff thinking they are somehow special and not actually working a shit job is a farce and it should also be eliminated. Any profession where spitting in someones food is understandable has real problems.

Even in a nice restaurant the job is on the level of a car salesman, in my opinion. Not to be respected.

Most issues revolving around this start with wait staff thinking they are somehow better than they are.

EDIT: I guess I should say, I am fine with the majority of servers who perform their job adequately and whom I tip adequately. But the whole prima donna bullshit needs to change.
The only problem is that if you eliminate tipping, you remove the control of the restaurant patron. The restaurant pays the server more, which raises the price of the food you are paying for, and now an extra 17% is now on your bill, which you have no choice but to pay.

I think the system works fine, and I've never had any issue paying a tip. Even when service is slow, having come from restaurant background, I realize that there are circumstances beyond the server's control, and am more forgiving for certain things, while harsher on others. As long as the server is doing their best to rectify the situation, I can wait. But if the server is apathetic, or generally disinterested in performing their job, I lower the tip to around 10%. Quite often those servers are paying out door staff, kitchen, bus boys etc a specific portion of their sales, so stiffing them actually costs them money to serve you.

As for the Prima Donna issue, there's nothing wrong with pride in your job. If you are good at what you do, and can back it up. That's something that I think the Euro Waiters have over the ones in North America, over there it's a profession. Over here, its something to do while waiting for your other career to take off, or while you are in school.

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 18926229)
weird tipping culture you guys have. Putting a tip on the bill completely misses the point of a tip. Tips are not mandatory. I give 2 euros tip tops at a restaurant to round off, when anything sucks i give nothing.
The whole tipping thing in the US keeps amazing me when i'm there. It's ridiculous. The money you *have* to spend on tips is insane!

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 18926458)
Lot of people don't realize that Tips is the only source of revenues for the wait Staff.
Wtf has the customer to do with that?
And i hear that excuse a lot btw. Waiters crying about it. Well then find another job where you do get paid. Also most places i've been to in the US the peopld working there must be making 5 times what they do here getting paid per hour. Because of the huge amounts of tips they are getting.

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 18926560)
Clearly no one here has worked in the restaurant biz which is surprising. Federal min wage for wait staff is $2.13 an hour. Tipping is not optional, if you think that you are a douchebag asshole. I tip 20% for service and maybe 15% for lousy service, which is rare. And for the Europeans, your service sucks, tip more
Not my fucking problem that you took a job where you get 2 fucking dollars a hour.

IdealImageMgmt 05-03-2012 11:14 AM
Wow that really sucks! You should know how much you have before you spend it

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Nembrionic (Post 18926596)
Right, so..bringing them extra business is considered an inconvenience to them?
Yes. The most dumb thing i read this week.

Tiffanypreston 05-03-2012 11:17 AM
thats a funny one

Just Alex 05-03-2012 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927277)
Not my fucking problem that you took a job where you get 2 fucking dollars a hour.
The reason its 2 dollars is because tipping is the main source of income. Its customary in the US, so if you don't like, don't come over here.

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926673)

If it wasn't for mandatory gratuities, waiters would refuse to serve large parties.
What the hell!! It's your fucking job! Goddamn idiot country.

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926723)
If you think its easy try it. I would certainly have quit if I was forced to wait on large tables for free. When you go to a restaurant you are not buying food, but an experience. If you don't want to pay for it, you should go to a grocery store or a McDonalds or some shit.
I really hope people will refuse to help you with whatever. Just because they feel like it. You deserve it.

Just Alex 05-03-2012 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927290)
What the hell!! It's your fucking job! Goddamn idiot country.
Well fuck, tell that to fucking lazy ass Euros who give you dirty looks if you ask for coke refill or to bring some sugar for your coffee. Now thats some fucking service there, and its included in the bill no matter how much you spend or how many people in your party.

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RebelR (Post 18926832)
Ate at the Pub, The Hard Rock, and a steak place a bit further away. The Hard Rock shut the kitchen down 10 mins early and served Beer that was half full. One of the guys at the table commented that if you did that in Scotland they would smack you over the head with it. The waitress just shrugged it off. Its not like she gets paid any differently. The pub, we waited 15 mins just for a menu and someone to take a drink order.
That's why you avoid the tourist places.

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926847)
If you are as big an asshole IRL as you are on the board you have probably ingested a lot of bodily fluids that has no doubt been liberally sprinkled on your food in restaurants.
Wait, coming from someone who would refuse to help big groups. Eventhough you signed up for that job. You fucking imbecile.

Sly 05-03-2012 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927301)
I really hope people will refuse to help you with whatever. Just because they feel like it. You deserve it.
I get bad service more than I get good service. Very rarely do I get great service.

Waiters are usually kids that don't care or middle-aged sort of people that are bitter. That is not a service I'm paying a premium for. Be a good waiter and take care of your tables and I'm sure you can make decent money. I know plenty of good waiters that do it

A tip is not entitled. I don't care what your base wage is. Waiting is essentially a commission job. Do good at your job, get paid more money.

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 18926896)
Most mid-range restaurants will only alot a server 4 or 5 tables per shift, maybe 6-8 for an experienced one, or an average of 12-16 simultaneous customers max.

If a table of 12 people comes in, he has to handle them exclusively and cant take any other tables in order to give them the attention they need. Usually a group that size will not be in any hurry to leave and camp out awhile, effectively making that waiter's entire shift or a good portion of it a one-party affair.

If a waiter could normally make 100-200 a night hustling a larger group of higher turnover tables, and has to spend all day with one big table who then decides to leave a couple bucks or nothing, they are gonna be pissed. They are going to be one of the restaurants stronger servers or they wouldn't be trusted with a "bigtop" and they are going to have some pull with the manager because they are one of front of the house team's stronger players that likely picks up a lot of slack for noobs and trainees.

So that's why you get "gratted" in large groups.

As to whether it's difficult or not, note that most people that are past highschool and college age are also done waiting tables, the physical and mental demands are pretty high and are not inline with the minimal rewards. It's not a job for lazy people, at least not in decent restaurants, its more a job for people with a lot of energy who haven't figure out how to better capitalize on that energy yet.
Aaaaw you pwoor you. Need a tissue? Crying because you took a 2 dollar per hour job. How fucking dumb can you get.

CamTraffic 05-03-2012 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18927270)
Wtf has the customer to do with that?
And i hear that excuse a lot btw. Waiters crying about it. Well then find another job where you do get paid. Also most places i've been to in the US the peopld working there must be making 5 times what they do here getting paid per hour. Because of the huge amounts of tips they are getting.
Customers should leave at least 15% tip on their total tab. ( in the Us)Dont wanna pay it? Then eat at HOME or get a take out! That s how the wait staff generate revenues. It's not hard to understand unless you live on Europe and are clueless about how this works in the US.

Here, educate yourself: http://www.itipping.com/tip-guide-restaurant.htm

Sly 05-03-2012 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 18927329)
Customers should be at least 15% tip on their total tab. ( in the Us)Dont wanna pay it? Then eat at HOME or get a take out! That s how the wait staff generate revenues. It's not hard to understand unless you live on Europe and are clueless about how this works in the US.

Here, educate yourself: http://www.itipping.com/tip-guide-restaurant.htm
Are you really suggesting that if people don't want to pay 15%, due to poor service, they should stay home and not use restaurants at all? I personally have no problem with that, I don't really care for restaurants because of the poor service most of them have.

However, 15% of nothing (because no customers are coming in) is not very much money.

Dirty F 05-03-2012 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18926912)
Because you take entire section of one particular waiter. You take his time, efforts and money. He needs to pay his bills too, you know.
Not my fucking problem he took a shit job. Why don't you people inderstand that?


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