On 'removing the control of the patron' - Really? You mean like every other industry where the feedback loop is - customer votes with their wallet - ownership either reacts to produce better product or doesn't and eventually goes out of business/languishes.

+17% =/= an increase to a reasonable minimum wage, or whatever the market would require for people to do the job without tips.

Bullshit about "outside of the servers control" kind of invalidates anything else you said as you obviously have a point of view that's closed. Why the fuck should I care about figuring out if something is outside of the servers control or not? I'm paying the fucking restaurant and the server and trying to figure out if something is the busboys fault or the chef's fault or the managers fault or the servers fault is just bullshit predicated upon justifications based on servers wanting to be tipped.

If I go to best buy and buy a TV , but its actually not a very good TV it turns out, should I return the TV but still take a portion of that return money and give it directly to the salesman? I mean, he didn't make the TV right?

I had lots of shit jobs over my life, and some of them were enjoyable even, but lets face it - shit jobs should pay shit. Waiting and tips doesn't make any sense and the sooner everyone figures that out the better.

If you didn't insist on any of those...

...how could you know they give you dirty looks if you ask for refills :winkwink:


It's not difficult to understand at all. The fact that we think it's retarted doesn't mean we don't understand.

STFU, I was 6 when we moved. Not that I ever regret it.

or, you - your sense of irony ;]

Well the fact that you don't see it is exactly why you make certain language mistakes. Don't mean it in a bad way btw.

Regardless of your intentions, there is a social contract observed by those who understand the correct way to behave in public and ignored by those who don't.

Who cares how old you was? You are still just a refugee but nothing else. I believe your parents are poor people. If you can't make good money on your own Motherland, you won't make them anywhere else. Losers stay losers everywhere. :2 cents:

It's weird because your English is very good but still you have that typical Russian language thing.

They knew I was from the US. I can't remember where it was but i remember walking all day and stopping at burger king. So I order snack and drink and they give me this child meal cup with 3 sips in it. I downed that in 1 second and asked for some more. Kid gave me this look as if I was asking for his wallet.

Not sure what you mean but maybe its like ghetto thing and ebonics.

Piss off. I can bet my parent are much better off here than all of your relatives combined.

Of course, of course, boy :winkwink: :pimp

No, it's a Russian thing. Or do you think i randomly guessed you were Russian.

So you walk into a store and ask for 5 top of the range computers.

Should they ask for an extra 17% because of all that extra work they have to do? - They have to pack them and the paper work is a pain in the ass.

It doesn't make sense!

Believe me, Russian immigrants are much more "Russian" (Soviet) than modern Russian generation is. Those are still thinking the commie way. :2 cents:

No, no. To make you feel better Im going to tell you they are stuck in one bedroom apartment, drive bus to buy some bread and live off $200 pension generously handed to them by Obama administration. :1orglaugh

Too bad for them. Poor old people. Don't see any reason for any jokes.

People selling computers work in retail, not service industry. Its common to tip waiters, hairdressers, car wash and delivery guys. Whats so difficult to comprehend?

Yep, I described 90% of your elderly. No need to worry about ours. My folks retired to a nice house in Florida and get to enjoy their retirement playing golf and riding their boat. Can't say that about Russian people.

Now lets get back to tipping.

Stop reading the fantasy books. It's not a joke.

I don't. Those are your parents and you are the only person to care about them. Don't bring it to this board please.

This is a standard story for every Russian immigrant. Congrats on that :1orglaugh

P.S. Why they were unable to give you good education at least? Who are you now? Nothing? I "believe" your parents are proud of you :disgust

I wonder what would happen if a restaurant chain in the US said - We do not welcome tips, we pay our staff a good wage?

Is that a racial thing?

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Thats right, Its all peachy in Russia. The $200 monthly hand out from government which barely covers their food and living expenses. Alcoholism left and right. It's all deception, all lies. Who are you fucking kidding?

And see, here we get our own education. We don't have to rely on our parents to pay our bills or provide us with shelter. We actually work thru college and get our own place. How old were you before you moved out from your moms two bedroom apartment? 35?
We dont wait for gift, we go and GET it!
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Sonic drive thru.

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I feel for you? idiot. Really.

I'm just a year older right now. Bought my first personal apartments in Moscow ($250.000 USD - if you can find it cheaper here - just let me know :))) w/o any credits. I bought it for my own money when I was "a bit" younger :) It was the first apartment personal I was living in.

Now, what's about you? No education, no money, live for a loan? I feel for you then :pimp

Who are "We"? Poor Russian immigrants? Don't make me laugh, kid :1orglaugh

For real. I tried tipping them and kid told me its against their policy and showed me the sign.

Tipping debate threads are all 5+ pages every few months. Please get back to work so ya'll can afford to tip 20%.

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Sure, sure, sure. Typical Russian bragging how he's got downtown apartment, bmw and a driver that came with it. Fucking assclown. Big bucks in WP plugins biz. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I have more education than you ever will, punk. And I guarantee you my cars worth more than 10 yellow buses you ride daily.

"We are" as in we are Americans dumb fuck.

See my sig. I pay you 40% for every sale for my script. Stop posting to this thread and start making money already )

Shhhhh, its night time in mother Russia and we don't want to wake his mommy up. She's sleeping on the couch today. :1orglaugh

Hey look everybody, we have new clown in town. :1orglaugh

http://www.exotic-footwear.ru/big_jpg/clown.jpg

Is that everything you can say, a poor Russian immigrant? Congrats on that :1orglaugh

Wow, you know such a word as "education"? I'm really surprised with that! Can you please tell me the name of university (college) you did accomplish?

What a poor little idiot...

http://www.badclown.com/files/clownfreak.jpg

I love how a thread aimed at bashing on black people not paying tips turned into a fuckfest between a clown and a Russian.

Oleg Popov is dying inside.

http://legendes.punt.nl/upload/Popov01.jpg

I took two friends out to lunch. While there we ran out of beverages and the waiter promptly came and refilled both their glasses, looked straight at me and walked away without refilling mine. I'm black and both of them were white. Well when we left, I paid the whole bill (I took THEM out to lunch) and left no tip. The waiter chased us out to the car demanding his tip. I told him he should take better care on whose paying the bill and not to assume I'm just tagging along on my white friends. I just closed the door in his face and we all had a good laugh on the way back to work.

I normally tip very well according to the service and the custom. It s expected here in the US.

Yep, usually restaurants want to encourage more customers=more business=more money inside, but this one is discouraging it by overcharging if you bring 4+ friends :1orglaugh

FYI: he's died already.

University you did accomplish? WTF?
You mean graduated?

Most restaurants have "large party" fee on their menus. Its not to discourage but reward server for inconvenience of running multiple checks, endless refills and so on. You have no idea how difficult it is to make endless runs for refills, taking orders and answering questions all at the same time.

I meant "accomplished". If you have graduated anything - please share, you trailer park kid. ))))

yes that is true. people have to pay 195czk and they say 200 and some still thinks they are the kings. but, we need to learn, still many people lived in communism so nobody teached them how to be nice and reward when you got a good service, they have learned how to save and think only about themself :winkwink: but we are learning i hope :)

:thumbsup exactly. Who gives a fuck what russian clowns do in russia.

virginia tech.
And you punk?

What's about russian clowns in the USA then? Are you a special one? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't know. Make it over here and we'll see.

And you still sell porn? Wow, and have no job yet? You must be one of the kind :winkwink:

I am pretty sure they use half a liter mugs and not pint size mugs. Plus there is always a 500ml mark on it and its not on the very top. I am pretty sure you got what you paid for :)

No, I sale ICQ numbers and WP plugins. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Thats how I accomplish 250K apartment in downtown DC and drive 2014 Lamborghini to my local Deli.

So which university you "accomplished" in mother Russia. I missed it somehow.

If you are so clever, show your money. For some reason I believe you are just a poor motherfucker who lives on welfare. Poor immigrant asshat clown.

BTW, I'm gonna sleep now (1:57am here). Good night! :pimp

I'm gonna share my lil tip story with you all, if you wanna read it... Sorry if it gets a little long, (AKA A "Markhamesque" wall of text...) but I promise not to mention 'poo' - Whoops - Just did !

Being from the UK, and only really used to tipping in fancy restaurants, I made my first trip to the USA in 1999

It was a biz thing. I was there with my wife, who was appearing at different locations as part of a 'Caravan of Stars' at 'The Tampa Show'

I ended up with her, and about 30 other pornstars and 20 or husbands and BFs in the VIP are of a 'strip club'...

Believe it or not, I didn't really want to be at the strip club at all, as I was Jet-lagged from my flight etc, and not really interested in seeing (more) naked girls etc... But I kinda went along with the crowd, if only to 'Support' my wife...

Pretty girl (Who worked there) approaches and say - Would you like a drink sir? I asked her how much for what I wanted, she said $10 (For a beer) and I thought, well, thats steep, for a beer, but well, I can afford it, so yeah, ok go ahead... She says she'll be back with it...

I find a ten dollar bill (Still not used to the money, as to me, it all looked the same) and have it ready, for when she returned. She handed me my drink, I said thanks and handed her the $10 and it was dark, and kinda noisy, but as she walked away, she looked at the bill, gave me a filthy look, and said something that sounded like an insult (but I couldn't hear it over noise) and walked away...

I didn't get what I had done wrong, so I asked someone (Poss Mike South - But dont quote me on that) what the problem was. I was told that the girl worked basically for tips, and I had insulted her! I DID NOT KNOW THAT! I thought that she was being paid to 'sell me' a ten dollar beer - and she had... & that was that...

But I did feel really guilty when I realized, and went off looking for her to give her another $10 as a tip... However, I couldn't find her, and even to this day, I still feel guilty about it !

Needless to say, lesson learnt, and cultural differences understood, from that point on, I was always sure to tip, and to tip genourisly everywhere I went in the USA for the next 8 years...

On the flipside though, I went to a Dennys with a female coworker in SD one day, and after the meal, I went to the bathroom. When I returned to the table, she said that while I had been in the toilet, she had paid the bill. I asked idf she had tipped (Cause I wanted to make sure) and she said yep, all taken care of... So we left.

Day or so later, based on my car reg plate - Police showed up, asking why I had 'Dined and Dashed' !

Not only had she not tipped - She hadn't even fucking paid!

But, if you have read this far, my point is, dont jump on the 'Euros' and bad tippers or skinflints... Truth is, a lot of us (Like Myself) simply may not know!

After all, you americans are used to it, brought up with it - Its normal. But for UK peeps, not so much :)