I'm there to eat and not to feel sorry for you and pay your bills.

Wtf are you crying about you homo. I do tip plenty there there. Where did you read that i didn't? Fucking redneck.

This discussion has been had many times on here before. It really needs to change from the top down, or it wont change at all. You try to say no mandatory tipping in 2012 and you get the argument that it's their income, they pay taxes on it, and good waiters make more money on tips than they would if you paid them normally at $10 an hour. All true enough.

So you change it from the top. Pass laws, reform the industry, take the risks that you can get by like other countries where there is no tipping and actually fast service. Heck, just pay minimum wage PLUS tips but knock off the "entitled to a tip" attitude and thats cool with me.

If it's a big table, good! You got more business! Call in a extra waiter to work. But if my steak is +17% mandatory and the guy eating alone can leave $1 in tips should not be legal.

And btw, if a waiter WANTS to choose a $2 base plus tips then let them, but dont force the tip to be mandatory for petes sake. WORK harder and EARN that big payroll you gave up the minimum wage for. Dont be a potato and complain that you deserve it because there was a big table compared to normal. EARN it.

Wow you get bad service everytime you go to a restaurant?
What pisses me off is the cheap bastards that don't tip the right way when they get good service. If you get bad service; then call a manager and get a different waiter.

Me redneck??? Lmao!! Ok fat ass...

No, he took a job that was available for him where 90% of people tip as expected (read customary), the other 10% consisted of blacks, prom kids, fucking cheap ass euros and old farts will stiff them with shitty tip. The reason owners can pay waiters below minimum wage is because its CUSTOMARY in the US to tip 15%. Whats so difficult to understand? You probably have some weird shit too that I might not like, but you dont see me telling you that.

Amen to that. Good luck educating the tards that never eat out :)

It doesn't fucking matter how hard you work when you know you're going to get $2 tip on $200 check. I waited tables thru college and I can tell you that - nobody want to take large black party or some fucks with heavy european accent and smell of human sweat. Smart waiters will pay hostess to take that shit to someone else section because you know that if these schmucks take over yours you aren't going to get paid no matter what. They just don't tip. Did you see the bitch in the video? You really think she ever tiped anyone more than usual 5%? Ask any waiter about blacks and euros and their tipping etiquette.

Only in America :2 cents:

Well, that's why the entire system should be overhauled, haha. Instead of forcing waiters to disciminate about who is tonights paycheck coming from, they should be PAID a fair wage to begin with. Then they wont give a shit what table calls them over.

It's just tough shit if you are assigned a table that has 12 people sitting around it. Totally tough crap. If you want to get 15%, then just do the job, lol. If you can put 17% mandatory, then do it for ALL tables. And dont call it a tip because it's not a tip. I'm super simple to please on this shit. It's not a tip if you're forcing me to pay it. If I'm giving it to you when I do NOT have to, tada! It's a tip.

i got a tip for ya. go fuckyourself

I normally tip 16.2%

How did I come up with that number? Simple. Sales tax here is 8.1% so I just double that to figure the tip to keep things simple. Most of the restaurants I go to are my favorites, and they got to be my favorites because of good food and service so I don't mind tipping them a little over the standard 15%

There's nothing to change. Waiters can tell off the bet who's going to tip what. Its called experience. Nothing has to with race or gender. Their fair wage is 15% on top of the bill, but there are those who think its way too much no matter how hard they work and what they do. You get 12 blacks on you side who ask for refills on their shirley temples all day long one after another, why the chicken fried steak doesn't have enough crisp, split a salad, some more bread, and fucking talk as if they are on runway of the airport. And at the end they ask for split checks and give you 11 dollar tip (one person will "forget" to leave their dollar thinking everyone else is going to cover that).
Now you see if this was typical diner, just that would constitute good service and automatic 15%. Its just custom! American custom. What you canadians or euros or ghetto citizens do is your own biz. But if you come here to the US, please observe our customs. Go fuck around with hookers in your red light district of Amsterdam and tell them you didn't like service and you're not going to tip.

How is not tipping stealing?

"custom" can kiss my ass :) If someone has a shit poor attitude then I'll pay the price for the food and make them dance to earn 5% or they can eat cat food.

Again, call it a surcharge, call it a mandatory wait staff customer payout, but it's NOT a "tip" and it's NOT a "gratuity". Simple. Change the damn name of it and stop pretending it's correct to have a thing called a "mandatory tip", because it isn't.

Which countries are you talking about? Or is it just Amsterdam?

Regarding refills: here in the Netherlands we don't do refills. It sucks if you're not used to it and you expect one. But, to use your own argument: if you don't like it, don't come over :winkwink:

1 usd of tip ? crazy, rich guy.......

Here in Russia I pay about 20% tips if I like the service very much - the waiter girls looked cool and they were very kind, quick and obliging. Otherwise I can give them nothing or even get their manager to bring me some extra food/drinks because there was something I didn't like.

very well said
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actually we people who live On Europe and travel a lot educate ourselves before we leave. but almost each european country has also different tipping habits but that seems to be very difficult to understand for non-europeans


you gotta brush up your reading skills :winkwink:

Why dont you watch video first?

In this case it was mandatory as stated ON THE FUCKING MENU !!! Just like "no shoes no shirt, no service". Don't like it, go eat you fucking cat food.

Thats the point. When I traveled around europe I didn't insist on free re-fills just because here in states its free. I didn't insist on extra ice either. So what so fucking hard to understand that its 15% here? not 5%, not 3%.. FffffuCKING FIFTEEN !!!!

And what if its a guy? You dont give him shit?

exactly.....

I rather have them raise prices on everything and everyone pays exactly the same vs always trying to figure out what to tip... waiters should get paid hourly rate by the company and not rely on people to foot their bill... reminds me of atlantis in bahamas recently, they automatically add something like %13-17 tip to the bill to already super over priced food and then expect you to give them another tip on top, what a rip off that place was

Yep. I don't like male-waters :winkwink:

Where exactly are you from? Are you in the US? You talk like a Russian.

Because he is a Russian refugee who's looking for a better life in the USA :2 cents:

How was that Russian?

On 'removing the control of the patron' - Really? You mean like every other industry where the feedback loop is - customer votes with their wallet - ownership either reacts to produce better product or doesn't and eventually goes out of business/languishes.

+17% =/= an increase to a reasonable minimum wage, or whatever the market would require for people to do the job without tips.

Bullshit about "outside of the servers control" kind of invalidates anything else you said as you obviously have a point of view that's closed. Why the fuck should I care about figuring out if something is outside of the servers control or not? I'm paying the fucking restaurant and the server and trying to figure out if something is the busboys fault or the chef's fault or the managers fault or the servers fault is just bullshit predicated upon justifications based on servers wanting to be tipped.

If I go to best buy and buy a TV , but its actually not a very good TV it turns out, should I return the TV but still take a portion of that return money and give it directly to the salesman? I mean, he didn't make the TV right?

I had lots of shit jobs over my life, and some of them were enjoyable even, but lets face it - shit jobs should pay shit. Waiting and tips doesn't make any sense and the sooner everyone figures that out the better.

If you didn't insist on any of those...

...how could you know they give you dirty looks if you ask for refills :winkwink:


It's not difficult to understand at all. The fact that we think it's retarted doesn't mean we don't understand.

STFU, I was 6 when we moved. Not that I ever regret it.

or, you - your sense of irony ;]

Well the fact that you don't see it is exactly why you make certain language mistakes. Don't mean it in a bad way btw.

Regardless of your intentions, there is a social contract observed by those who understand the correct way to behave in public and ignored by those who don't.

Who cares how old you was? You are still just a refugee but nothing else. I believe your parents are poor people. If you can't make good money on your own Motherland, you won't make them anywhere else. Losers stay losers everywhere. :2 cents:

It's weird because your English is very good but still you have that typical Russian language thing.

They knew I was from the US. I can't remember where it was but i remember walking all day and stopping at burger king. So I order snack and drink and they give me this child meal cup with 3 sips in it. I downed that in 1 second and asked for some more. Kid gave me this look as if I was asking for his wallet.

Not sure what you mean but maybe its like ghetto thing and ebonics.