Good night. Be careful not to wake your mother in-law up, Pipo.

Anybody notice that in South Beach most places add 15-20% gratuity because of all the foreigners?

And why is it so difficult to understand that euros are not cheap ass, they simply are used to different tipping culture, they do not understand that stupid customary and thats wht they tip less, not that they are cheap ass.

Selling porn is infinitely better than having a job :2 cents:

i have my 10 year anniversary this year of coming here and it got indeed a lot better :)

some restaurants have very good service nowadays and i am happy to leave a good tip when i go there

That refill thing is really interesting. Why don't they do free refills for fries or onnion rings, but do that for drinks?
They give you weird looks because refill thing is stupid - you get what you pay for. Its not normal that one person takes 1 cup and another person 3 cups for the same price, its just stupid.
Any world citizen would give you weird looks for asking that. Except for those who has been in the sates and saw this strange custom :)

You are not american, you are russian. You are american citizen, but not american.

This thread is full of really pwoor waiters.

go take a nap :helpme :1orglaugh :Oh crap

Fuck off. I was raised here, so Im an American. Who the fuck are you to tell me that?

Its another custom. Some places have infinite salads. Why is it stupid? All you can eat places are stupid too?

you two are like two little girls in kindergartner arguing... vot eta nasha problema, mu vcegda proyiv svoix pizdim, kakaya raznica gde vu, v rosie ili amerike, vce slavene vce narmali'no

Why do you care if they are poor or not? I knew this one old French guy who waited tables all his life. Came here on Queen marry or something. Always bitched how Americans can't serve tables, don't know anything about wines and shit, grumpy 50 year old man. Well, according to him he was making 150K in 80's at some super fancy place in NY, but that doesn't mean some kid at TGF makes 10% of that.

I'm not talking about poor money wise. But how some of you ex waiters really feel sorry for yourself that you had to work so hard at this amazing job of waiting tables and got paid so little you almost died of starvation.

There in lies the problem...





J/K ! :)




I feel yah.. I am white, but I tend to dress like a scruffy homeless guy... I get treated like I dont have a penny in my pocket, because I dont choose to wear expensive clothing...

Go figure :)

Never did I say 'we" got paid so little. As matter of fact it paid for most of my college. The point is if I waiter gives good service, he's entitled to 15% on top of the bill. Now this is US so what ever the fuck you guys tip in Holland, you tip that in Holland. This is the US and waiters don't get paid shit per hour so their source of income is "your tip". Now if service was terrible, you talk to manager and he fixes things. What I dont get is some fuck telling you at the end his steak was overcooked, soda didn't have enough gas, salad was to greasy and so on.. That shit doesn't fly. Or some euro guy leaves you 2 dollar tip because thats how they do it in mother fucking Bavaria. :disgust

and just because you think they made enough for the day, doesn't give you right to take what supposed to be theirs.

There are a few places I have been that cater to Europeans that add the tip to all restaurant bills.

I'm not sure why you keep repeating this. Afaik there is not one person here from the EU who said he wouldn't tip enough on purpose while visiting the US. You seem very upset about this but wtf are aiming at?

Basically any club/bar/stripclub/restaurant i've been to the waiters got ridiculous amounts of tips. That would easily be 5x what a waiter here would make getting paid per hour. It looks to me the tipping thing got totally out of control. And funny enough it's those waiter who cry the hardest and refuse to help people etc.
Very fucked up system/attitude.

supply and demand
 

It's the people at the bottom that determine how much they get paid. It's the workers that determine how things work.

The reason business owners are able to hire people for $2.13 an hour is because there's people who are willing to work for that much. If no one was willing to work for $2.13 an hour, the business owner wouldn't be able to hire anyone for $2.13 an hour. The fact that business owners continue to be able to hire people for $2.13 an hour (+the chance of getting a tip in this case) means that people are actually competing to get those jobs.

That I have a problem with, especially bars. Paying $1 - $1.50 tip on $7 beer is too much. Especially if its 3.4% special beer and it takes 15 of those to get the a buzz.

FYI: he isn't dead. Get your facts straight.

But you wear a $280 pair of sunglasses.

When i see the gratuity added I usually throw something on top of it anyway. But I basically do a straight-up 20%. Seems fair, yes?

Why do most people tip food servers but not the utility man (Cable TV/Internet/Phone) ? The utility man climbs up a pole and the food server just walks to the back room?

When I worked for the phone company, then after I started doing it on my own, I had a few people tip me. Usually people from New York I noticed.

If service was OK I do 15%, little extra effort with lids for kids drinks, extra dressing on the side - 20%. Really good service but not irritating bullshit about my favorite ball team or any other subject that will keep me talking to waiter for more than 2 minutes - 25%. Sometimes when I see mid-life crisis gal working at TGIF with kids to support, I'll give 30%.
I just feel bad for anyone over 30 doing this shitty job dealing with cheap asses, blacks and foreigners.

Cable guys get tipped all the time. Buddy of mine worked for Comcast in LA.

These conversations are always funny. The bottom tier of society always quick to chime in to tell everyone what they are entitled to and what everyone owes them.

Minimum wage for wait staff is $2.31/hr because people make up the balance in tips. Here's a life tip for you... you're not supposed to be relishing your job as a waiter in a crap restaurant. You're supposed to be using it as a temporary solution to move to something better, not making menial, no talent labor jobs a career. You're not supposed to be demanding more money for shoveling shit. You're supposed to be aspiring to something better.

And yeah... you go to a restaurant and eat by yourself and you aren't obligated to tip. You bring 10 friends and spend a $1000.00 that night and suddenly you're obligated to pay a nuisance tax because too many people are spending money in that restaurant. That's a joke and a situation I always avoid. I always tip until service is shitty, then it's $0.00 from me.

No, its because you want to have comfort of sitting all together, bullshit for 2 hours, be extremely obnoxious to other people sitting around you and most importantly run your waiter for you fucking refills as if he was your valet parking boy. On top of that every one of you motherfuckers want him to remember what kind of dressing you had on the side, explain every dish you want to change your mind about (while he's taking order from someone else), tell him some cool joke he's heard 10 times before and most importantly act as if you are the one picking up the bill. And at the end you bless him with "Hmmmmmm, can we have separate checks, please"...

You know what? Don't go fucking work in a restaurant if you can't handle people who visit restaurants. You really have a twisted view on things.

Yeah. Silly me. I want to sit down in a restaurant and have a waiter do his job.

Crazy shit.

This attitude is why I don't like going to restaurants. Too many servers think like this today. And then they want 15%, regardless of their service and attitude.

The whole situation is chicken and egg. Servers need to realize that people want good service. Some will pay, some will not. That's how it goes. But being a bad server will definitely not make you more money and it will not keep people coming back to your restaurant. There is absolutely no advantage to being a bad server, regardless of how terrible the customer is.

From the customer standpoint, they simply don't care. I am paying the restaurant money. I do not care what problems the server has today. I want to be treated well. I want good food. I want a cold drink. And I don't want to chase down my server so I can order another drink. If your restaurant does not give me what I want, I don't go back. There are plenty of other restaurants. Eventually I'll find one that knows how to give decent service. It's usually the small mom and pops.

Jesus, don't go into on-line porn if you can't handle chargebacks. Do they piss you off? Sure as fuck. Will you quit ibecause it happens to you once in a while? Are you that fucking stupid?

Alex acts as if he is the most important person a restaurant and everyone and everything has to adjust to him.
Till today i never heard about this big group thing and people thinking it's totally normal that they have to pay more. Or that it's normal not to help them I'm kinda shocked actually. It's crazy!

Wtf?

God, you're an imbecile.

Dude, those kids have 5 to 7 tables like yours, and they all want their shit on the side, extra napkins, pen to write down you date's number etc. I tell you what, if you never worked that job, you will never understand it. You work some what service industry too. If you website was like "I guaranty you get full hard on what on preview and if not you just give me 5% of 29.99" you'd understand.

Don't go work in a fucking restaurant then you dumb fuck! Jesus!

And you're cheap ass Dutch imbecile.
Tell me how phrase "We go Dutch" came up... Cheap ass.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/go+Dutch

Its one of the best jobs you can have while going to school. As long as you eliminate cheap asses, blacks, marry kay idiots, old people, euros and especially Dutch.
Other than that it covers bills.

Reminds me about a hotel stay in Dubai. My Chamber maid knocked on the door after I checked in. Over there maids are guys. He demanded a tip up front because he would not be on duty the day I check out. I told him I might leave a tip when I check out, but he wanted it, now. He got more aggressive. Hahaha.

You are right. I do work in the service industry, of sorts. Sometimes I get burned, sometimes I make a killing. If I went into every situation thinking that I was going to get burned, I would get burned a hell of a lot more than I do right now.

I have plenty of examples where I have bent over backwards to help out affiliates, building them custom tools and landing pages and got nothing in return. No traffic at all. Other situations where I did the same bending over backwards and the affiliate turned into a whale that stayed with me for years. Sometimes you score, sometimes you get screwed.

That's what the service business is. It's good for some people, some it's not. It sounds like it's not for you.

Hang on...you keep screaming that paying a 15% tip is normal and people who don't are stupid.

But then you say: "Oh, I don't want to pay a $1 tip on a $7 beer", which is about 15%.

So what is it. Pay tip or pay no tip? I mean, I completely agree with you that it's rediculous to pay a tip on a beer but now you're just being inconsistent.

Also...saying you don't want to tip on a beer because the ABV is low is LUDICROUS. Get a different beer. Since when is the ABV relevant to how much you tip? :1orglaugh

I tip extremely well in bars and I get remembered with great service. It also translates into free shots and free beers so a $1 tip on a $7 beer doesn't seem so bad after all.

I don't think it can change from the bottom up because of the word "tips". It's used because there's a tax procedure for tips. You change it to something more accurate and unobjectionable and you make the employer have to withhold taxes. If they're going to do that, they may as well pay a higher base pay and we know that's not happening. Anyway, I object to the word "tip" or "gratuity" because that's not what it is.

I should say it's not a tip or gratuity when it's being called mandatory of course. How some people don't understand that is just a mystery of the modern age. Make any fee you want part of the price for the customer, but it's not a fucking tip unless someone gave it to you unexpectedly. Make sense? Of course it does.

They do! Thats what 2.13 is for. If you wait tables for living odds are very high to be audited.

I didn't say "I don't want to", I said "I have problem with it".

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I had to laugh as I recall when I was a young teen my mom telling me she avoided dates with Dutch guys because of them always wanting to "go Dutch."

A 250 tip?