Am I misunderstanding, or did people on here get convinced to buy a package of stuff that could've been had for free? Was there any value add? I'm admittedly unfamiliar with the whole situation and the themes involved.

I was just supporting the puppies, anything else was a bonus.

But, I think Fris is a nice guy and is getting threads like this because he's a competitor, not because he's done anything wrong.

Quagmire, Candyflip. A Terms of Service is not a license. His split-license is still valid until he choose to change it, and according to his reply in the original post it doesn't look like that has changed. That's twice now that the actual author of the product has stated it. Your posts are meaningless in this context.

Basically just a case of one shit stirrer attempting to making someone who does similar type of work look bad.

She knew what she was up to, regardless of her trying to play dumb.

If that was the case, don't you think it would mention a split license SOMEWHERE ON THEIR SITE? The only place it shows up is on a rant he posted on someone else's blog. Multiple times on the Headway Themes site does it mention the GPLv2.

Sorry man. Regardless of what he says, you haven't shown us anything that proves this while I'm showing you plenty of evidence on THEIR OWN SITE that they are releasing their code under GPLv2. This means fris was well within his rights to do what he did. And that's not taking into account that he paid them more for developer rights and access, which ALSO gives him the right to allow his "clients" to make use of these on their sites.

The only thing they can do is cancel his account, again as per their terms. But that's about it. Sour grapes because they are forced into this license by Wordpress.

Licensing is covered right in their ToS.

Which is a direct cut and paste from http://headwaythemes.com/terms_of_service.txt with absolutely no additional notice of split licensing. The only reference to split licensing is in his 'rant' on their blog and in the comments. I don't deny he is the one who wrote the post, but it doesn't change what they have directly on their main site.

The quote I gave you, even if it is two years old, is from his site. A quick google search for "headway themes split-license" brings up pages and pages of sites repeating the same thing. "Regardless of what he says" ? Really? I think his say is what matters most. I didn't want to get into whether fris was within his rights or not, and he'd probably rather we didn't but I can show you another case where a split-license is in effect with dozens of themes in the package.

Not the case at all. IM not a WP developer.
I skin them... thats as far as it goes.
My work and fris's work are poles apart.

It seems like theres are 2 people in a 2 page thread that actualy understand the GPL licence.. or maybe they don't. I know I dont...

I also think its quite reasonable to ask the companies involved is this is legit. Whats to fear?
Either they get an education in GPL... or we get an education in GPL. It would be good to clear this up once and for all.

Don't play dumb. You knew exactly what you were doing.

And no one is debating the GPL really, at this point it's whether or not a script was released under the GPL or not.

And I still stand on what I say. You can search Google and pull up the Headway split license stuff until you're blue in the face, and it doesn't change the fact that the ToS and every point of mention on the website they are selling the script on and collecting people's money says that the "All Headway Themes are released under the GPLv2". A 2 year old rant on a blog by the kid who wrote the code's dad doesn't change that.

god, you're a retard.


anyway, nice snitch thread gimme-website. A lame low blow, and you went out of your way to fuck up fris' rep, which is very weird. Do you hold a grudge against him or are you just a weird psycho? Oh yea i read you're a woman, that explains your illogical brain. :1orglaugh

Me just being here makes you ALL look bad!!

God damn... I'm one sexy mother fucker!

Agreed. Hey, do you have any design specials going on right now? You should post in here. Apparently that's ok to do.

I dont really understand the snitching part people complain about. Is it snitching if you report a thief in real life?
Would you call someone a snitch if they reported a scam? Or content theft?

Not calling fris anything here because i dont know him at all, but calling someone names because of investigating something that may be illegal is a bit weird or?

Now: post a cute pic of gimme-website and safe this thread damnit :)

WHatsever my intentions were.. im still left clueless as to the legal status of this.

And it seems i may indeed be wrong. I just recieved this.

She knew exactly what she was doing. It's a grey area and it does ruffle people's feathers.

She's not a cute, innocent girl. She's a scheming, conniving bitch really.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a cute pic of her. Have you seen that behemoth?

I did post a pic of her, check the first page

Quoted for truth

So yeah...sour grapes on their part.

You owe fris a BIG FUCKING APOLOGY.

All of deej designs are special.

IM not calling Fris out... im asking questions. IM not squeeling or snitching... im asking questions. IM sharing the information with you as i recieve it.

And plz for the love of god... I dont want to know the insides of Fris's intestines. Will people PLz stop pm'ing me about him on icq.

Shoddy piece of homework.

Please see me after class.

If its the case then he will get it. In abundance.

That clears up the Headway Themes issue then. They are no longer a split license and are 100% GPL. Free Headway Themes for all! Woo!

So, anyone have a copy I can get? Do you have all the child themes too? :1orglaugh

Grant Griffiths definitely does, for calling him a crook and revoking his license. :2 cents:

Well...their terms do give them the right to revoke access to the their backend at any time the choose and for any reason. I'm sure that was written into the terms for this exact purpose.

Being a graphic designer myself Gimme's work isn't all that great :2 cents:

LEts see yours??

ouch :Oh crap

When are you going to be posting the apology?

It's pretty fucked up what you did. Regardless of your attempts to play dumb, it's plenty obvious you had some sort of ulterior motive.

Agreed & Quoted for Truth!

Some people aren't GFY whores.

This wont hurt fris.
It will only serve to make me look like an ass. And that's cool.
And we all get an education on GPL. Its been an educational thread.

Maybe an unreserved apology is due to Fris. I will find out and deal with it as i get a better education. And don't think for one second i'm not confronting them either. If they are feeding me mis-information i will gladly post it here.

So who is correct????

I don't think she does. The main thing she is 'guilty' of which I see is asking the developers of the software if what fris was doing is okay and then posting the results here. There's nothing wrong with that. If what Fris is doing is perfectly legal and people think it is ethical then so be it. The people calling her a cunt and personally attacking her are more over the line.

Personally I don't think YOU (Anna) are qualified to make any statements about anything in this topic. Are you an attorney? No. Are you a good designer? No. Are you even a WordPress Theme or Plugin developer? No. Do you sell WordPress Themes or Plugins? No.

You are in the wrong. 100%. It's not your place. It's not your field. It's not your expertise. Fuck off.

Agreed on all accounts.

If he was 100% in the right, he would have answered both her and the other chaps requests on the matter in a timely fashion for the threads cited. By that I mean, you/whomever would not be dodgy about it. A simple yes, no, or answer with an explanation would have sufficed.

She asked, was denied an answer, did her own investigation, posted what the people involved were telling her.

:2 cents:

It's not your fault the developers told you it was illegal and that he was a crook. They have an interest also in not telling people "Hey, don't pay me you can get it for free or at 10% of the cost from someone else". The whole thing is a clusterfuck. You could say Fris is acting unethically but you might say the same about some of these developers who are essentially profiting off of a couple small additions to the GPL Wordpress and then charging for it. There are many ways to see it.

Again, don't you have some noobs to scam or celeb content to steal? Go away dolt.

Seems to be a lot of people not wanting to understand the license they have released something under.