inb4 someone gets this message.

"idiots at GFY are fucking shit up for us. ddos?"

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I see what Duke did with Extreme Board more of a preemptive strike. There is a smaller tube that I did the same thing with. They were hammering us day and night with my older ripped DVD videos, non-stop, so I worked something out with them and now they don't show up there anymore. That doesn't mean I support piracy, or even them. That means I found a way to control that site and solve a problem.

Is this a better solution.

We can pay the Tube and piracy sites not to take our business away from us. </sarcasm>

exactly.
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I'd rather go Fargo style ;)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v-89frQg76...00/fargo+3.jpg

It's not a perfect solution by any means, but it's a solution nonetheless.

At the end of the day, I will do what I have to do to keep my content off of sites I feel are the most damaging to my business. Sometimes that means leaving some content on there that is older that I don't care so much about anymore. Sometimes that means hammering them until they give me access to delete my own content. Sometimes that means advertising or letting them be an affiliate. And sometimes that means costing them their processing accounts and in some causes, they have lost their hosting.

Though, I have to admit I've never done anything as bad ass as Duke and cause a divorce. That is just fucking awesome.

While no one enjoys skinning a cat, there is more than one way to do it.

There is no way really to do it without some programming and it is difficult to provide step by step instructions as it all depends on how the site is implemented, format of the clips etc. I would suggest getting a web developer to do it, it shouldn't take more than a day of work.

Also, the thief can easily re-encode the clip and erase any metadata you put in it so it kinda depends on them not knowing what's going on. Still it's been very effective for me as they usually don't bother with reencoding the clips.

There's definitely a way to do it that would be very difficult to remove. If you were to encode the video with certain frames with a group of pixels that alternate in different places through the video and kind of "blend in" with the surrounding pixels... you could create a sort of dynamic QR code that would be virtually impossible to see with your eyes. The pixels could be large enough that even if you were to transcode to a lower resolution format, it would still be obvious who the pirate was. And I highly doubt they'd be willing to go through the entire video frame by frame to see if they could pull it out...

Actually, the top pirates seem to be pretty smart as they keep releasing movies and stuff while companies spend MILLIONS and MILLIONS to stop it (piracy exists since? 1980?) :winkwink:

Not saying what they do is good. But the dumb people are only the ones that upload to the filehosts. The smart people are on top, and actually do it without making any money, in fact they put their own money in the business to keep it running (yes, for fun.)

Also wrong, nobody ever reposts other peoples links to other forums cause that won't make them money.

I understand your logic, but are you saying there's no income from that banner?

Keep on hitting them...

Agreed...

He/she kept you informed of the ensuing argument(s), divorce proceedings, and decree nisi? That *is* awesome. How long did it take until the divorce was final from when you showed all the stuff to his wife?

On a simple level you could do it with mod_rewrite on the filename, plenty might spot it, but some of the more dumb wouldnt. With photosets its fairly trivial to inject details into the jpeg, their ip address and username in the description field should do and you can do this on the fly by picking just say the first photo in a set. However I have a feeling that plenty more use stolen, shared or leaked username and passwords. If you have a strong password management system in place however and watermarking, is there much you could do to prosecute a determined pirate once you had caught them if they don't live in the same country?

I don't fault him if he is making a killing from it, because that is one less pirate operation he has to deal with. And some of these boards are relentless, so if he was able to tame one of them, even if he profits from a banner (which I'm sure he does), power to him. That is turning a negative into a positive.

Putting a banner somewhere in trade for keeping your content off the site is different than just trying to make money off them and having to fight them at the same time.

this would prove nothing, aside from the username that was used to login to the site. i do not believe this would be enforceable in any modern court of law. this idea has already been widely discussed with legal staff and shit canned due to poor merit.

good idea though, but not enough to stick a lawsuit.

if you harass them based on this, you could end yourself in a counter harassment suit.

false, with oron you get paid per premium membership, so you can use other peoples files to promote. in fact you dont even need to upload any files... just have a forum with thousands of oron files you harvest, and put up banners with your link code.

I really don´t get it whats the problems with you guys here trying to destroy peoples businesses? I am really not a fan of the piracy industry but maybe you should keep in mind that there are still people actually using file hosting services to share content which is not right away copyright stuff they not have licenses on.

There are also people taking it seriously. There is nothing wrong with running an file hosting service and offering an affiliate system to Uploaders, where they might get some reward for it. Gosh, there are far more worst ones.

Hell no, i am not from the ORON team or making money with questionable material but all you doing here is flaming how bad they are and you HAVE TO "keep the pressure on boys".

I guess even ORON taking complains seriously and removing content on request, still you have nothing better to do then reporting them to their processing partners!

Maybe you should go in time and see that people are not willing to pay a $30 bucks recurring for a shitty paysite membership anymore. Instead they´re going to buy a $9.99 Premium Membership at ORON or any similar and start downloading as much as they´re happy with.

There is simply nothing you can do on it instead of making better offerings to your "target group", so potential buyers start their experience on your landing page instead of a file hosters ones.

So i am pretty sure all your efforts are absolutely still moving into the wrong direction, its still the same lame ass discussion it used to be 10 years before.

One of those companies gets ruined, 159 new ones allready take its place, so what you wanna do, fighting against them for the next 500 years or start using your own brains?

just my 2 cents.

stfu & lets meet in person so I can shit in your mouth so you can shit in your moms mouth so I can fist her ass to reclaim what's mine.
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I've seen multiple sites sharing stolen content that link to orons premium program with NO REF CODE. I wonder who's maintaining those sites.....


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Don't get too cocky or brag too much. Someone will take it as a challenge and just make it harder for you.

When I'm breaking into your home and tying you up, and wrapping duct tape around your mouth... You'll be trying to stop me from stealing everything you own, but those will be the words I whisper in your ears as I cinch the rope tight.

"Why you tryin' to destroy my business?"

Oh yeah? So tell us about what you share... your PowerPoint presentations from work? PDF flow charts and diagrams? Business plans? Are the file lockers paying for that stuff these days? Sweet... I'll have to get in on that... I bet those are hugely popular with people buying unlimited download memberships. You know, because all your coworkers are downloading your work... because the company's VPN is so overloaded with your awe inspiring TPS reports. Is that about right?

You're right they take piracy seriously. That's why they're the largest piracy site online.

Who's team are you on, then? Why should we not put pressure on companies and individuals that are illegally profiting off our intellectual property? What do you propose otherwise... that we sit here with you and cheer them on? That sounds super productive...

They don't. But I guess since you're "not on the ORON team", and you're obviously not a content creator, you probably wouldn't know.


Why legitimately pay for goods when we can just buy stolen stuff for cheaper? Makes sense.

There's nothing I can do? I'm certain I will sue you, and win. And I'm absolutely certain you'll owe me more than you can afford to pay me. And I'm also certain I'll own your site when I'm done with you.

If we don't do anything to enforce the wrongs that are being perpetrated swiftly and with a heavy hand, we'll definitely be moving in the wrong direction.

I'm not sure "starting to use your own brains" involves sitting back and letting everyone rape your intellectual property.

You're going to be on the losing end of this equation any way you slice it, legally. The most amazing attorney in the world won't get you out of the heap of shit you're getting yourself into.

Gideon is that you?

My mom at least told me that there is no reason to communicate in fools language, kiddie.

Regarding ORONs business model @aciuf. Its always easy to say that something is not 100% politically correct.

File hosting itself is a legitimate business (go check Wikipedia on it) and just because people exploiting a platform / technology for their bad ass purposes does not automatically mean they have a "wrong business model". Also they are free to moneytize with advertising, premium-accounts or what ever.

So imagine now Uploaders keep grabbing your hard work and go to any other cloud-based sharing services like Box.net and Dropbox. The next Public Enemy No. 1 then?

sooner or later running a legitimate file-hosting site on the web will be akin to setting up a strip club in the middle of a high street.

You can buy weapons in shops by engaging them in the closet or start killing people, why not start submitting complaints now to all weapon shops because they give people the possibility to do something stupid.

Arguing with pirates is like arguing with the mentally retarded, but let me explain something really simple to you:

If you have a service that exists for the sole purpose of facilitating piracy, then it is illegal by all manners of interpretation.

If you have a file locker that PAYS PEOPLE to UPLOAD pirated copyrighted works, and CHARGES people to download pirated copyrighted works, and PAYS PEOPLE to sign people up for memberships to download pirated works, then it is illegal by all manners of interpretation.

All you have to do is take a look at the email communication between the file lockers and the affiliates during the discovery process. What you will find is that people are paid based on how in demand the copyrighted work is. You got the latest and greatest movie before anyone else? They pay more for that. You got the latest zero day release of Windows 8 on ISO? They pay a pretty penny for that. That is the very DEFINITION of willful infringement, and that is ABSOLUTELY illegal. Has nothing to do with "political correctness" or any such BS. We're talking about ME being able to sue YOU... and win a judgement against you.

People are not going after file lockers because people are sharing their own work. Nobody has any fucking problem with that, and the mere mention of that means your argument is incredibly weak. We're web surfers, AND webmasters... and we have access to all the same pirate forums you have access to. You act as if we must be completely off-base or not in tune with the inner workings of piracy.

Fuck dude, I'm a fucking piracy expert. And it couldn't be more crystal clear that you're a thieving asshole who seeks to completely obliterate the businesses of legitimate webmasters.

And yet you keep singing the same song... that you somehow have the right to steal. Keep telling yourself that. You're really making an expensive mistake.

I am not telling that me or anyone else has the right to steal. I am saying its a way overrated what you trying to do here.

Isn´t there a lawsuit going on allready against FF Magnat Ltd ?

And the fact that this " no. 1 enemy" is X this year and Y next year is a good reason to stop on fighting piracy?? Let's just sit on our asses and watch how we are stolen. DO you have other good idea?...

Sure i have, found some file hosting service, make money for nothing, chicks for free and stop with your "hard work" :-)

kidding, i am not telling that i like what people do with ripping copyright material and mass publishing it. But i don´t get it why you concentrate on a single company, there is despositfiles, uploaded.to and many many more that are even paying commissions and this happens for years now, seriously! ORON not even offers any affiliate system anymore.

Nobody gave a shit about it especially not the adult industry, not for years! i personally know about 3-4 Adult Webmasters running their own affiliate programs saying its was even free advertisement for them. And now its all that bad because some idiots noticed that people actually making more money from republishing stuff instead of producing it.

You will never stop it like that, my advise is focusing on better offers, better protections and more transparency with content at all, and people will buying it from you instead of going over 3rd parties.

And last but not least People that are not willing to spend 2 Cents on your Service for content, will not spend it on you even if there will be no other possibility anymore world wide to get it for FREE.

How much were you making with Oren lddd? For $400 per day I can understand why a lot of people went for it.

I am not an ORON affiliate, i am not working for them, i am not lobbying here. I am running sites and making money online for over 15 years on promoting legit products but its just hilarious how frustrated you guys seems to be because of a single file hosting service.

Does that mean you want your shit back?

Perhaps he likes shit, who knows :)

I used the term metaphorically :)
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about 4 months until they were seperated. Then the nail in the coffin a year or so after
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And if people focused on uploaded.to, would you say "hey, why don't you focus Oron? There's a lot of other filehosts too!!!!"

The reason Oron is main focus is because Oron owns the porn file host industry, as they own pornbb and * knows what else.
And obviously it worked as pornbb is offline now and Oron's assets frozen.

But you should know this as you obviously made money from them, easy conclusion by reading your posts, so I don't get why you're being so stubborn.

It's not enough. I think they should do some discovery and get a list of files uploaded as well as the uploaders. Then go after the uploaders for damages and start seizing their homes, cars, bank accounts and other assets. It's clear as affiliates they profited from the piracy by uploading copyrighted content.

It'll make these uploaders think each time someone posts on the Digital Point forum about "Hey guys, the judge is seizing my house and car. I just wanted to warn you all not to mess around with uploading. :("

just leave, you're like Gideon's retarded cousin. At least Gideon was a well informed idiot, you're just a barely literate moron.

this will not happen and we know this. This not even happened with MegaUpload and there it was about Hollywood, who cares on your boring porn...

Oron or MOron...

What is your affiliate account name over there?

I only hope someone is reading this right now who decides to teach people like you otherwise. :upsidedow I think it would be highly effective to go after some of the uploaders personally and start trying to seize assets. There is no DMCA protecting you. Oron is also on very shaky ground by knowingly paying people to commit copyright infringement.

Actually, in case you did not read it, they are going to push Oron to give up the names and info on the uploaders (John Does). If there is a settlement, and I'm 100% sure there probably will be, this will be one of the conditions. So 500 John Does will get served, if they can be found and touched by US law, if there is a settlement. Maybe you will be one of them?

from reading DP i would suggest to go after Alertpay too, that seems to be the favorite way to pay all the uploaders

200:pimp

keep on dreaming. btw, the country i am located to gives a shit about your stupid US law.
secondly i am NOT a ORON affiliate.