50 innocents

I love the way this cunt is totally ignored these days!! Quite funny! Tenacious little bastard too ... once he smells blood he latches on and doesn't let go .... until he makes the girl cry of course!!

Really bad PR move in my opinion.

An affiliate manager needs to forge relationships with affiliates.
All the affiliates here know how far they can trust Tam to steer them straight, whether it was by willful blindness or just regular ignorance that she parroted the lies at MR for so long.

If you want to hire her put her in a non-public facing position at least.

While I have no reason to think badly of your program, this makes me wonder.

Oh, and PS. for all the talk of "making things right" of course Tam is doing nothing of the sort.

If walmart was banging customers credit cards, and executives of walmart were in the store you would.

People don't ignore the Franck. They cherish her every word. She's a bad ass chick.

Yes, tell that to the person in the other thread who she told to fuck off or get sued because he kept asking about the mysterious charges on his card.

Just because you got treated nicely doesn't mean she did some really bad things.
This is just like saying that a scammer is a nice person because he bought you a beer at a convention.

You people should think before you defend her.

I'm sure the affiliate email list she grabbed on the way out the door will always be worth something to someone :winkwink:

Standahead, Is it true that you were for sale within the last few years? Did you sale or acquire any "partners"?

lol @ ruining your business in one thread

congrats to the winners.

I signed up with Standahead when they had some French Canadian girl's website. Aubrey Something? Audrey? Don't remember - it was a long time ago.

I know Tam from PCBBS - fourteen years ago. Maybe more.

I received no help from her, no resolution to my problems with NOT getting paid buy one of her recent employers, but I do not blame her personally. Paying me was probably not one of her responsibilities. I doubt that Tam had enough influence over her bosses to force them to pay me.

When I requested payment, all she could have done was ignore me, or pay me out of her own pocket. She ignored me. Same thing that I would have done...

When you work online for other people, you take what you can get and you hope for the best. People like Tam get hired all the time to sit on the boards and publically represent companies that are, perhaps, less than honest.

Maybe. just maybe, Tam is not a thief. Maybe she just needs to pay the rent / mortgage, put food on her table, and buy clothes for her kids. Maybe she wants some kind of benefit package. Secure job offers are very hard to turn down - particularly in this business.

I honestly do not think that Tam is going out of her way to fuck people over. She wants to make a living.

I have no idea, though. Maybe I'm blinded by that old PCBBS magic. I do not think that Tam is maliciously going from company to company, advising them on how to rip of surfers and webmasters.

P.S. Standahead: Aubrey Rose! Right? Am I right? That was so long ago...

really? because ive never seen her say that she did anything wrong, so if so then why would she need to make something right? she defended media revenue every step of the way. so is she the victim or did she mess up and need to make things right? this is confusing!

for a gay program? this whole hire makes no logic. bros before hoes.

I am insane. Fact. I have grown comfortable wit that fact... You, on the other hand, are an idiot and an attention whore - and you are speaking out of your ass. Can we just possibly get a list of archived GFY links where Tam personally fucked you over? Mayube she did, I dunno. She lied to me, but I don't have the same vitriol that you seem to possess.

Or are you just jumping up and down all naked and shit, screaming "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M FUCKING FRANNNNNCCCCKKKK! WOOT! WATCH MY BALLS WIGGLE! YEEHA!"

You're killing the messenger. The disease still spreads.

As u see u can type with anger til ur fingers bleed. Nobody doing business has or ever will give a fraction of a fuck about what frank has to say. And the train will keep chugging along.

Congrats to tam. Let frank kiss the crack of your ass.

i don't understand. you said she takes ownership of her actions, she wants to make things right? but she said yesterday that she quit because she didnt get along with one of the other employees.


so according to that she never admitted that she knew the company she worked for was scamming people and she would still be working there if it wasnt for an employee she didnt get along with. all of this doesnt add up!!


this was harsh, poor guy was getting scammed on his credit card and she threatened to sue him.

:thumbsup

No offense...but how has she taken ownership for her actions? I just browsed another thread recently created about her and she was still in complete denial and made the situation worse by NOT owning up to anything.

yeah right. it was so hidden, no one ever said anything and backed it up with proof or anything....

Who cares about Tam if you don't want to deal with her go to the owners I am positive they will take care of you:thumbsup.
Bottomline is StunnerMedia has an incredible network of gay sites that blows most other competitors to Mars.
If you're not pushing your gay traffic to them you are seriously missing out on cash period.

I think what you are missing is, she has worked for companies that rip off webmasters.

Wait, are you saying she is full of shit and lies to everyone basically? Noooo?

Do you honestly think Tam is responsible for the actions of those companies?

A lot of people end up with for/with companies who turn out to be shit heads. I've had it happen a few times, but not once did I know BEFORE I started working for them. You always find out AFTER. That's the way it works. You go where the money is and if things go sour, you leave when you can. Not much else you can do.

oh come on ... i have been showing her proofs two years ago. trust your boss or whoever, if boss have only words and someone have proofs, black on white, who the fuck you trust? it was not like some few bucks, it was seriously credit card banging, and not talking about affilite shaving. if those accustations come, would you trust your boss who say all is fine? come on, she have been on the boat with all others, she is guilty same as their ex employers, nothing else to say, howgh!

I'm not saying your card was or was not banged, but saying it was banged and showing your statement is not proof, nor would it hold up in a court of law.

Proof would be to record the entire process, from the join, to the login, to the cancel. THEN show your statement after you can prove you did not miss any xsales and did not click on any 1-click upgrades. Simply having charges on your statement is sadly not enough proof of anything. However, documenting the entire process A - Z, is a slam dunk.

I'm actually surprised no one here has done that with any of the companies accused of such behavior. Such evidence could not be disputed.

I see you're back at defending your old scamming buddies.

i gave all documentation, all steps, all screenshots, nothing more i can do, i will really not record that on camera, for what reason? if there will be court, experts will find all those info enough for them to find where the truth is. not sure what do you still want to say. say it straight, you love tam and she is innocent, right?

Right, but all of that really doesn't mean anything. It's still your word against theirs.

A video doesn't lie. Screen shots and statements don't mean much. That would have been your slam dunk. :2 cents:

I don't know if you got banged or not, I'm just saying you went about documenting it wrong. Done properly, that documentation could have quite an impact.

I think it was EscortBiz who started a review site, doing exactly this, video documenting the process, but it didn't seem to go anywhere. I'm sure they found all sorts of shit on some companies. Anyone remember the site, or if it's still live?

i think simonscans or someone with bigger name than teencat have been mentioning the same? card banging? please, stop it ...

It's not about who said it, it's about who can prove it.

I'm also not saying what you documented isn't true, I'm saying you should have done it better. If you or someone else is going to go through the hassle, go all out. If you don't give someone wiggle room, they can't wiggle.

lol ... stop it ...

You're. I hate those mistakes...

I'm sorry, I keep forgetting logic has no place around here.

On with the new witch hunt! :thumbsup Maybe this one will turn out differently than the last 20 that failed.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. He's back at what he was doing a couple of years ago when everybody and his brother got their cards banged by his buddies. He will tell you there is nothing going on and that you have no proof. Unbelievable...

MediaRevenue has a number of gay properties. And there are (more likely, were) plenty of webmasters who worked both sides of the fence.

I find it odd that people here blame employees for the misdeeds of their employers.

I've never seen anything to indicate that Tam made decisions not to pay people, same is true for Michael O when he was at Epassporte.

Employees who work for companies, good or bad, that stop doing business still have to make a living, pay bills etc.

Why not Tam?

Sorry. What you've said here is idiotic. If you think about it for a moment, you will realize that you could have all the recordings in the world, and one doubter would be able to say "well maybe you logged in and hit the one-click upsell on ANOTHER computer" or any number of other weak explanations.

Not sure why you are attacking teencat with this weak sauce, but it comes across to me as being an MR apologist and that blows.

When you are out front parroting the lies and any reasonable person would have been able to put two and two together by then, then you are complicit.

Seriously? Are you telling me that Tam and everyone else at MR was taken in by the whole "Well, we're in the right, we did nothing wrong, but we are going to withdraw from GFY because of the baseless accusations we're getting over there."

Give your fucking head a shake.

If she's that dumb then no one should be hiring her anyways.

I've never dealt with Tam nor MR so I have no knowledge of who knew what and when.

Do you?

Kind of silly to assume things about this, I'd think her first obligation is and was to earn a living.

But as you said, "So who knows".

You are an Idiot.

A solid response to a discussion.

Always a winner.

In 3rd grade at least.

If there hadn't been a million posts in recent weeks talking shit about her, this might have been an ok hire.

I hear James Holmes is smart and needs a job.

First, let me say I'm not attacking anyone. I'm pointing out that taking screen shots is not proof of anything. But I'm glad you posted, because you raised another valid point.

Perhaps some doubter could use the excuse you gave if a video was used, it is certainly possible. However, if a video is flawed, per your suggestion, then what does that make screenshots? That means, based on what you said, both are idiotic. I won't argue that and for the sake of debate say you are correct, your logic is sound.

So then if both methods are both equally worthless and idiotic, which we both now agree on, then there is no proof at all of anything. There are only people with charges on their statement and they don't know how they got there. They can not prove they did not click anything or miss a x-sale, and they can not prove the charges were made illegally. This is all based on your logic, which I am willing to agree with.

The next question you have to ask is, if all of these charges were made illegally, why did everyone who used this tactic get away with it and continue to do it to this day? Where are Visa / Master Card, and the Feds? You would think they would be all over this. Maybe they are. Maybe they are not. Maybe they already did? Maybe there is not enough proof? Or maybe every link and xsale is accounted for? I honestly don't know the answer, it just seems odd to me that such a thing has allegedly taken place, at such scale, and nothing came of it legally. I'm sure I can not the only one to think this, am I?

Thought I was the only one that old around here:)

Is this the one ?
http://livereviews.com/

That's the one. I really wish that would have taken off, a lot of promise there.

Just at a glance, noticed this one from SOBV: http://livereviews.com/1988/Adult/Sh...yboy-Pros.html

looked nice, really nice, and no surprise it failed, when they reviewed only old sites. oh man, how much money they had to put into it imho, and they reviewed old sites ... what a fail :Oh crap

You made another huge error of critical thinking. And, for the record, I said your argument was idiotic in the sense of obviously you are not going to be convinced short of the clouds parting and a burning bush coming down to tell you MR is dirty. A video is not going to be very much more convincing than screenshots. Wearing a helmet cam 24/7 live streaming while you wait for your credit card statement to show up with banged entries on it is also not going to be very much more convincing.

Teencats screenshots are of course proof of nothing on their own. They could be photoshopped, etcetera ad nauseam.

However, you have to consider the provenance. Meaning, where are they coming from, consider the source, whats the motive, etcetera. These sorts of evaluations happen every day in the real world.

On the balance of probabilities in this case I find them to be very believable. If you take into account all the other evidence presented against MR and co. over the years it becomes even more believable, at least to me.

You seem to be working very hard to excuse MR either that or you're a world-class shitty logician.

You got one thing right though. For someone who doesn't want to see the facts, MR is blameless because actual standalone proof would take seizing MR's systems and records and maybe even compelling insiders to testify. Perhaps you should have withdrawn from GFY with them? It seems you both live in a world where MR did no wrong. At my count there's you, Tam, the rest of MR, and that's about it.

1) I'm not sticking up for anyone, if you are able to read you will see I've said that a few times now. This would be my 4th or 5th time saying it. Good to see you have excellent reading comprehension.

2) You keep speaking of "facts" but there are none. If such facts exist and are solid, surly they or any other company would have been raided or shut down by now. To my knowledge, none of the adult companies in question have been through either, so where does that leave it all? To me that says, until such a day comes where they do get raided or shut down, to take the webmaster witch hunts with a grain of salt.

3) Simple question: Was your card banged? If yes, prove it. If no, then STFU.

Look, I have no idea who's dirty or who's not, and I really don't care. At this stage in the game I just assume everyone is dirty to some degree. But I know a witch hunt and a bully when I see one, and that is exactly what I see happening here with Tam. She made a mistake and moved on. Maybe she's guilty of making a few mistakes, but that still doesn't mean she cuts the checks.

I assume you've never made a mistake? I have. I've made a lot of them.


How do you get to decide what is convincing for me? I've only been asking for such video proof for FOUR YEARS now. Not a single person on the entire internet has been able to provide it. A video from a trusted person is all I need to see. Shall I wait another four years to get it, or just keep taking your word for it?

They are proof of nothing other than he has extra charges on his card. I don't know Teencat, so for all I know he is a idiot who has to wear a safety helmet and goggles so he doesn't poke his eye out with a fork. He may have hit every x-sale on their site. Or maybe not. But screen shots... please. No disrespect to Teencat, because I don't know him, but even I've been burned by mainstream x-sales before, and I'm incredibly alert for such things. Shit happens.

It very well may be true. I have no idea. But what I think is true or not is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about real evidence, and there is none. At least not that I've seen. All I've seen is screenshots and all I've heard is hearsay. Either you have facts to back up your claims, or you don't. If you don't, then there is nothing more to discuss because I am not interested in hearsay, I'm interested in factual evidence. Please provide some. I've been asking for the same evidence for four years now and all I get in return is excuses, even from you.

After all the screen shots, after all the rumors, logic still says if it were true, there would be legal consequences. If that day comes, I will believe in the facts gathered by law enforcement. If that day doesn't come, it really makes everyone out to look like a bunch of morons who can't get past a few xsales and 1-click options. Time will tell. It doesn't matter to me either way.


My logic is sound. And I'm not even discussing MR here, you are. I'm speaking generally, and mostly about Tam being an employee and possibly unfairly attacked.

Nothing any of you have said would hold up in a court of law and that is exactly why none of this has yet to see a court. There is no case. And that has nothing to do with the fact that I believe or don't believe your accusations. When there is a case, if there is a case, we'll all know about it because it will be all over the news. And if that is how it goes down, so be it, I could care less. If not, you all look like witch hunting fools and I could care less. Get the picture?

This is how silly your evidence looks:

http://stoppornpiracy.com/boards/proof.jpg

:2 cents:

Forgot to share this SOBV gem with you: http://livereviews.com/1988/Adult/Sh...yboy-Pros.html

No spam. No extra charges.

How is it that everyone else gets hit with spam and hidden charges but a random, unannounced join from this site didn't? EscortBiz is very reputable and trustworthy. That is his site. Please explain.