lol ... stop it ...

You're. I hate those mistakes...

I'm sorry, I keep forgetting logic has no place around here.

On with the new witch hunt! :thumbsup Maybe this one will turn out differently than the last 20 that failed.

Yeah, it's ridiculous. He's back at what he was doing a couple of years ago when everybody and his brother got their cards banged by his buddies. He will tell you there is nothing going on and that you have no proof. Unbelievable...

MediaRevenue has a number of gay properties. And there are (more likely, were) plenty of webmasters who worked both sides of the fence.

I find it odd that people here blame employees for the misdeeds of their employers.

I've never seen anything to indicate that Tam made decisions not to pay people, same is true for Michael O when he was at Epassporte.

Employees who work for companies, good or bad, that stop doing business still have to make a living, pay bills etc.

Why not Tam?

Sorry. What you've said here is idiotic. If you think about it for a moment, you will realize that you could have all the recordings in the world, and one doubter would be able to say "well maybe you logged in and hit the one-click upsell on ANOTHER computer" or any number of other weak explanations.

Not sure why you are attacking teencat with this weak sauce, but it comes across to me as being an MR apologist and that blows.

When you are out front parroting the lies and any reasonable person would have been able to put two and two together by then, then you are complicit.

Seriously? Are you telling me that Tam and everyone else at MR was taken in by the whole "Well, we're in the right, we did nothing wrong, but we are going to withdraw from GFY because of the baseless accusations we're getting over there."

Give your fucking head a shake.

If she's that dumb then no one should be hiring her anyways.

I've never dealt with Tam nor MR so I have no knowledge of who knew what and when.

Do you?

Kind of silly to assume things about this, I'd think her first obligation is and was to earn a living.

But as you said, "So who knows".

You are an Idiot.

A solid response to a discussion.

Always a winner.

In 3rd grade at least.

If there hadn't been a million posts in recent weeks talking shit about her, this might have been an ok hire.

I hear James Holmes is smart and needs a job.

First, let me say I'm not attacking anyone. I'm pointing out that taking screen shots is not proof of anything. But I'm glad you posted, because you raised another valid point.

Perhaps some doubter could use the excuse you gave if a video was used, it is certainly possible. However, if a video is flawed, per your suggestion, then what does that make screenshots? That means, based on what you said, both are idiotic. I won't argue that and for the sake of debate say you are correct, your logic is sound.

So then if both methods are both equally worthless and idiotic, which we both now agree on, then there is no proof at all of anything. There are only people with charges on their statement and they don't know how they got there. They can not prove they did not click anything or miss a x-sale, and they can not prove the charges were made illegally. This is all based on your logic, which I am willing to agree with.

The next question you have to ask is, if all of these charges were made illegally, why did everyone who used this tactic get away with it and continue to do it to this day? Where are Visa / Master Card, and the Feds? You would think they would be all over this. Maybe they are. Maybe they are not. Maybe they already did? Maybe there is not enough proof? Or maybe every link and xsale is accounted for? I honestly don't know the answer, it just seems odd to me that such a thing has allegedly taken place, at such scale, and nothing came of it legally. I'm sure I can not the only one to think this, am I?

Thought I was the only one that old around here:)

Is this the one ?
http://livereviews.com/

That's the one. I really wish that would have taken off, a lot of promise there.

Just at a glance, noticed this one from SOBV: http://livereviews.com/1988/Adult/Sh...yboy-Pros.html

looked nice, really nice, and no surprise it failed, when they reviewed only old sites. oh man, how much money they had to put into it imho, and they reviewed old sites ... what a fail :Oh crap

You made another huge error of critical thinking. And, for the record, I said your argument was idiotic in the sense of obviously you are not going to be convinced short of the clouds parting and a burning bush coming down to tell you MR is dirty. A video is not going to be very much more convincing than screenshots. Wearing a helmet cam 24/7 live streaming while you wait for your credit card statement to show up with banged entries on it is also not going to be very much more convincing.

Teencats screenshots are of course proof of nothing on their own. They could be photoshopped, etcetera ad nauseam.

However, you have to consider the provenance. Meaning, where are they coming from, consider the source, whats the motive, etcetera. These sorts of evaluations happen every day in the real world.

On the balance of probabilities in this case I find them to be very believable. If you take into account all the other evidence presented against MR and co. over the years it becomes even more believable, at least to me.

You seem to be working very hard to excuse MR either that or you're a world-class shitty logician.

You got one thing right though. For someone who doesn't want to see the facts, MR is blameless because actual standalone proof would take seizing MR's systems and records and maybe even compelling insiders to testify. Perhaps you should have withdrawn from GFY with them? It seems you both live in a world where MR did no wrong. At my count there's you, Tam, the rest of MR, and that's about it.

1) I'm not sticking up for anyone, if you are able to read you will see I've said that a few times now. This would be my 4th or 5th time saying it. Good to see you have excellent reading comprehension.

2) You keep speaking of "facts" but there are none. If such facts exist and are solid, surly they or any other company would have been raided or shut down by now. To my knowledge, none of the adult companies in question have been through either, so where does that leave it all? To me that says, until such a day comes where they do get raided or shut down, to take the webmaster witch hunts with a grain of salt.

3) Simple question: Was your card banged? If yes, prove it. If no, then STFU.

Look, I have no idea who's dirty or who's not, and I really don't care. At this stage in the game I just assume everyone is dirty to some degree. But I know a witch hunt and a bully when I see one, and that is exactly what I see happening here with Tam. She made a mistake and moved on. Maybe she's guilty of making a few mistakes, but that still doesn't mean she cuts the checks.

I assume you've never made a mistake? I have. I've made a lot of them.


How do you get to decide what is convincing for me? I've only been asking for such video proof for FOUR YEARS now. Not a single person on the entire internet has been able to provide it. A video from a trusted person is all I need to see. Shall I wait another four years to get it, or just keep taking your word for it?

They are proof of nothing other than he has extra charges on his card. I don't know Teencat, so for all I know he is a idiot who has to wear a safety helmet and goggles so he doesn't poke his eye out with a fork. He may have hit every x-sale on their site. Or maybe not. But screen shots... please. No disrespect to Teencat, because I don't know him, but even I've been burned by mainstream x-sales before, and I'm incredibly alert for such things. Shit happens.

It very well may be true. I have no idea. But what I think is true or not is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about real evidence, and there is none. At least not that I've seen. All I've seen is screenshots and all I've heard is hearsay. Either you have facts to back up your claims, or you don't. If you don't, then there is nothing more to discuss because I am not interested in hearsay, I'm interested in factual evidence. Please provide some. I've been asking for the same evidence for four years now and all I get in return is excuses, even from you.

After all the screen shots, after all the rumors, logic still says if it were true, there would be legal consequences. If that day comes, I will believe in the facts gathered by law enforcement. If that day doesn't come, it really makes everyone out to look like a bunch of morons who can't get past a few xsales and 1-click options. Time will tell. It doesn't matter to me either way.


My logic is sound. And I'm not even discussing MR here, you are. I'm speaking generally, and mostly about Tam being an employee and possibly unfairly attacked.

Nothing any of you have said would hold up in a court of law and that is exactly why none of this has yet to see a court. There is no case. And that has nothing to do with the fact that I believe or don't believe your accusations. When there is a case, if there is a case, we'll all know about it because it will be all over the news. And if that is how it goes down, so be it, I could care less. If not, you all look like witch hunting fools and I could care less. Get the picture?

This is how silly your evidence looks:

http://stoppornpiracy.com/boards/proof.jpg

:2 cents:

Forgot to share this SOBV gem with you: http://livereviews.com/1988/Adult/Sh...yboy-Pros.html

No spam. No extra charges.

How is it that everyone else gets hit with spam and hidden charges but a random, unannounced join from this site didn't? EscortBiz is very reputable and trustworthy. That is his site. Please explain.

So what's your thoughts on MediaRevenue DWB? Solid, honest company?

They don't bang every card.

My thoughts? I only worry about companies who steal my content or don't pay me. But please note the word "me" and the absence of the words "everyone else."


Wow, how do you know? I assume you ran some tests of your own? This is a fascinating new development and I'm looking forward to seeing your results.

They may not be as thorough as yours, but I just spent 2 minutes on that review site and found these sites that were also SOBV properties. Not one had unauthorized charges.

http://livereviews.com/1988/Adult/Sh...y-Hardons.html
http://livereviews.com/1988/Adult/Sh...-Shemales.html
http://livereviews.com/1988/Adult/Sh...anny-Edge.html
http://livereviews.com/1988/Adult/Sh...Squirting.html

What are the odds?

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, as I believe JJ was up to no good, but I see a site that is meticulously recording the entire process, with 5 different joins with no problems.

Was it luck of the draw or is everyone complaining a dumb ass who can't navigate a join page or members area? Perhaps your data will answer that question.

My guess is there are a lot of sites they reviewed that fell under the same umbrella. If I gave a fuck, I would go find them all for you.

dwb, why dont you want to open your eyes and see the facts? not only once they lied here, and got caught. why do you think my teencat nick was unbanned? you defend them? do you get a blowjob for each post you made?

I'm not defending anyone for the 6th time. And who in the fuck are you talking about?

Sorry, but I don't live and die based on who gets banned on GFY and for what. I don't know who said what, who lied, who didn't, and who is doing what, unless it involved me. Disappointing, I know, but that's the way it is.

Maybe some things we said and done I'm not aware of. Sorry, I have a life and it doesn't revolve around the target of the latest GFY witch hunt. Perhaps you can clue me in with all the juicy details?

The only thing I've said repeatedly is that I'd like to see real evidence of whatever they are being accused of. I've been asking for this for four years every since all of this drama publicly started.

We won't have a meeting of the minds so I'm not going to debate you on your response. I may as well spend my time talking to a brick wall.

Since you keep chanting the mantra of 'where is the real evidence', then please tell us what would be "real evidence" from your perspective? And how would anyone not on the inside go about collecting it? Oh, it's not feasible? Welcome to the real world where we have to go with "on the balance of probabilities" rather than "more certain than the type of proof the scientists for the higgs boson have presented".

Just FYI, you aren't doing Tam's case any good. You have a technical point about the evidence, but its pedantic and useless. You blathering on reinforces the point that, the only person who could come to the conclusion that MR and Tam are not dirty is someone who is as determined as you are to come down on that side of the argument. What that means is, you are actually hurting her shreds of credibility with your hair splitting. So, congrats.

PS. Your argument would also apply to Chris Mallick btw. So apparently in DWBland he's innocent too.

Your life is this board...period. You post walls of text in virtually every thread day and night...pontificating about this or that...showing your ignorance much like Paul Markham does. You are just as dirty and shady as anyone on this board and assuming you are telling the truth about yourself you are an out and out criminal.

Right, because I haven't been saying the same thing for YEARS.

Are you fucking with me?

I'd said it at least 100 times over the past four years, record it.

It worked for LiveReviews.com, why can't it work for someone else? Or have them do it. Perhaps they would take on just one more review for shits and giggles.

Again, and I will make this red so you will have to pay attention to it, I am not saying it is or is not happening. I'm saying prove it. And I've repeatedly said how.

But please, just ignore all of that and say I support whatever company fits your need and that talking to me is like talking to a brick wall.

"hurting her credibility" :1orglaugh

She has a new job already. Guess the trolls lose again. Shucks. And I'm sure her new employer was hanging on every word I said before they made their final decision to hire her. :1orglaugh

Seriously, some of you guys are funny fuckers.

I do not agree with your hidden anonymous viewpoint of Tam, or agree with your definition of evidence, therefor I must also think Chris Mallick did not steal ePass money.

Great logic there. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Now I understand why you are posting anonymously.

Hey Pathfinder, glad you could make it. Been waiting for you to stop in to give us the scoop on what your contacts at the Pentagon think about all of this.

great, if stunner media is in no way joined to mediarevenue, why lloyd is working also for mediarevenue mobile program? come on tam, what is the story about it? :1orglaugh

Of course employees have to make decisions on behalf of their company and management. Sometimes they go on strike or they leave a company because they can't justify working for them for low pay, ethical reasons or whatever. In some cases they get promoted for pointing out issues in a company. Every employee knows what's going on with his employer. They are insiders. Some might not want to know what's going on and close their eyes.

Has Tam ever worked for a company that wasn't up to shady stuff? It just seemed like she's always bounced from one to the next. She'll even support them and claim nothing is happening and you must be mistaken, trust her she knows. lol. Yeah, ok.

Time will tell, but it's a risk I won't be taking.

lloyd, owner of stunner bucks? listed on mediarevenue program mrsexmobile.com/external.php?page=contact&nats=, also helping people with boyfriendbucks on the mediarevenue forum ... come on, we all are totally stupid ...

ok, not owner, just another mr employee that arrived to stunner and still have places on mediarevenue ... great moving of people ... lol, i just lol ...

Tam will be here soon to deny everything.

I suspect that TAM may have worked for ePassporte!!!!

I signed up to Standahead when they had that site too, I also remember it disappearing without even an email saying the site was closing down.

When I had payout issues I contact Tam, got the run around, got ignored, lucky for me I know who else to contact and I did, Tam apologized really hard but that was just to keep her job, she is useless, I will never use her, just one of those affiliate reps going around from one program to another not being able to do shit other then the usual grunt work every well trained monkey could achieve. I know those are harsh words, but you gotta call shit by it's name, no matter how much perfume you spread over the pile of shit, it still stinks.

So you are saying Tam was executive of mediarevenue and not affiliate rep (basically store clerk if we continue wallmart comparison)?

she was the one telling on forums that all my facts are fake and i lied. and i know i did all those proofs by myself and have been reading her lies until i got banned here. liar, nothing else, if she lied in the past, do you trust her today? i dont :)