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yuu.design 08-02-2012 07:48 AM

damn, bad day

lazycash 08-02-2012 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19099227)
You are missing alot of important data from this report but if that is all there is, the problem is very clear. You don't have enough data on your customers. If you knew more about the 3rd purchase for example you would have been able to prevent that chargeback and the rest from occurring.

Lol, so if he knew that it was a sale from a Filipino carder defrauding the system, he could have convinced him to pull out his legit cc and not chargeback?

Sly 08-02-2012 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19099256)
Correct, we had a $2600 CB like 2 years ago or so. Good stuff but it happens and is all part of the game :(

Can't win if you don't play. Every now and then you will lose.

2MuchMark 08-02-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by beaner (Post 19099230)
?? he is an affiliate with no intention of being a program owner at this very second i'm sure

What are you talking about?

I said that there is not nearly enough information on this report to prevent the chargeback. If he had more info he could have helped himself and whoever owns the program at the same time.

Barry-xlovecam 08-02-2012 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by x-rate (Post 19099527)
I only deal with program that don't take money back from cam girls otherwise it's pain in the ass to announce such things to the girls lol: 'Ok last week you made 1.2K but this week you start at -0.2k because jimmy349329 charged back'. My studio delivered the product (the show) the client is the website client not our so we are a 3rd party supplier it's not our problem.

Let say you are a home contractor you wont pay your sub-contractors because your client is not paying???? 'Sorry I can't pay you for plumbing job you did at 12 principal street the client didn't pay so I think you should also deduct hours to your employee!'

What you guys think of it? :P

I was a Licensed Residential Builder for 13 years, it don't work that way at all ; If the customer doesn't pay or their funds are bad -- we all (the contractors and subs) go to the courthouse together and place our mechanics liens against the title to the property. Then we have a year to file a suit in the Circuit Court for a foreclosure to satisfy all construction liens (the money owed for the work). Usually they pay off under threat of foreclosure.

I was once owed for a completed stone entryway for a new subdivision. Since the improvement was to the subdivision in common I liened $3.5 million of the unsold lots -- the developer could not sell any of his lots as the bank would not release his 'take-outs' of the blanket mortgages of $millions until I was paid and discharged my lein -- they paid me off in a week 'the shit hit the fans :1orglaugh'.

The construction business is unique as the improvements are 'fixed and a part of real property'. Commercial payments such as on affiliate contracts are 'personal property assets' usually without any collateral security.

scuba steve 08-02-2012 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19099800)
Can't win if you don't play. Every now and then you will lose.

house always wins :winkwink:

Sly 08-02-2012 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 19099933)
house always wins :winkwink:

Own the house. :-)

adultmobile 08-02-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbit (Post 19099648)
i got a question re: your program. how can i reach you?

Contact page of tubecamgirl or info @ same domain name or ICQ 279 222 threee nine-one .

x-rate 08-02-2012 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19099923)
I was a Licensed Residential Builder for 13 years, it don't work that way at all ; If the customer doesn't pay or their funds are bad -- we all (the contractors and subs) go to the courthouse together and place our mechanics liens against the title to the property. Then we have a year to file a suit in the Circuit Court for a foreclosure to satisfy all construction liens (the money owed for the work). Usually they pay off under threat of foreclosure.

....

You are right but I'm pretty sure you understood the whole point of my post! You can apply my example to a trucking company using sub contractor etc... :)

Barry-xlovecam 08-02-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by x-rate (Post 19100798)
You are right but I'm pretty sure you understood the whole point of my post! You can apply my example to a trucking company using sub contractor etc... :)

I paid all my hourly employees even when I was not paid but some subcontractors had to sweat it out with me -- that is the risk of doing business.

More specifically with regard to chargebacks in our current endeavours ( webcam broadcasts); When there is a chargeback everyone eats their share -- we all lost money together. Chargebacks are a part of contracting. Independent Contractors are what Affiliates, Models and Studios are. None are paid hourly as an employee and all assume business risk. Rev share means revenue sharing -- losses should be shared when they are a direct result to ones revenue. No one likes losing money that is understandable.


A subcontracted truck is subject to different rules; it is paid by the tariff rate, agreed price per mile, or haul -- completion of delivery is the only prerequisite to payment. The truck owner operator does not agree to a certain portion of the revenue.

Bottom line; When a customer refuses to pay for services rendered -- you're fucked -- you cannot repossess the services. A sale is not complete until it is paid for -- always. Sometimes, you can sue to recover the loss but most of the time it is a write off and you just move on and learn from it.


Roald 08-02-2012 10:11 PM

50 refunds!!!

V_RocKs 08-03-2012 03:13 AM

Beat me to my refund.

adultmobile 08-03-2012 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19100821)
More specifically with regard to chargebacks in our current endeavours ( webcam broadcasts); When there is a chargeback everyone eats their share -- we all lost money together.

You forget that most cam sites do NOT share the loss with the models/studios, but instead pass the 100% of the loss to cam/studios (except perhaps the one-time chargeback fee that is some $20+ or so).
Example, a guy spend $500 on modelX, at 50% would be 250 paid to model and 250(minus fees and affiliates of course) income for site. Guy chargebacks, model would expect you "share" the loss so she is paid 125 instead of 250, but she gets zero (and affiliate gets zero too). I run cam sites from many years and no cam model or studio will ever think you are "sharing" the chargeback loss, if you cut 100% their earning in case of chargeback. Plus they have a point by saying: it should be the cam site to double check the Ip address and card matching (50% of fraud cards have female names, unlikely a customer, plus have wrong javascript timezone, plus may try a few decline cards before one is accepted), i.e. to manage security and risk better - not the model. In fact a lame cam site who have no humans checking for IP+Cards data while it happens, will get 90% more chargebacks of who get a risk person there.

rowan 08-03-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SAC (Post 19099062)
My cam sales today... Aug 1, 2012

http://i45.tinypic.com/34yw8oy.gif

What's the significance of "-$89.99 *" ?

Failed 08-03-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 19101689)
What's the significance of "-$89.99 *" ?

The * next to a purchase is displayed when the customer buys through a special discount promotion.

I've seen charge backs like this before. It sucks, but it's just part of promoting cams. Large purchases can result in large refunds.

xXXtesy10 08-03-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kazymjir (Post 19099294)
Yeah. Paid, fapped, refunded.

Dats how we roll bitch:thumbsup


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