Amen Brother.

I wish you guys would quit making me defend some of the right's positions. LOL

I don't agree with them either.

I don't know how "comprehensive" the ancient Greek educational system was. But I do know that they are the basis of our entire Western Civilization and our philosophical way of thinking. So I'm gonna say: it was BETTER.
The results certainly were. lol

As for best higher education in the world...I don't know.
Is Harvard really better than Oxford? Clinton didn't seem to think so. And he's one of the smartest presidents of my lifetime.

And I agree on private school. I hated it. Went for one semester in 3rd grade. They were so far advanced over me that I felt totally inadequate. I was a straight "A" student in public school. But a moron in private. :(

Tony, I have two kids. One graduated last year. The other is 15 and in high school. If you saw how low the standards are now you would laugh.
I swear to God we did more advanced stuff in 5th grade than they are doing in 10th grade.

They have lowered the standards down now to where you basically have to have severe retardation to NOT get a high school diploma. It's outrageous.

I guess it's all tied in to getting funding. They have to meet a certain criteria to get money. So they just keep dumbing shit down to get better ratios of "success".
That's why our kids aren't learning shit and get left in the dust by the Japanese.

This thread needs some skin.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7...09vpo1_500.jpg

Give it a rest man, the sheep will never fucking snap out of it, they love playing these pointless games every 4 years...

Robbie, first off, i'm not hassling you. Just want to get that out of the way.

I agree with half your statement. I don't believe for a second that we're overtaxed. See my previous post about tax rates in the '50s and '60s.

However, I agree 100% that our allocation of resources is completely out of whack, especially when it comes to war. These wars we are in are completely for money. Money for corporations.

The defense budget is about $900 Billion a year. About $180bil is for the VA, so let's leave that out. That leaves $720bil to fund 2 wars started under false pretenses. Let's cut that number in half. $360bil/year would still leave us with an incredibly strong military.

Can you all imagine the great things we could do here at home with the other $360bil/year??? As you say, roads, helping people etc. I'll add education to that as our educational system has been consistently gutted over the last 30 years. Without the H1B visa program, our lead in science would be gone overnight because our own kids have been getting a progessively sub-par education for a generation.

Agreed. Though I think he'd probably be a lot more progressive if it weren't for the political realities of the job. It's possible he'll be more progressive in his second term, I think. And you're dead right about the SCOTUS nominations.

If I am not mistaken...and I may be...the average life span was 40 at the turn of the 20th century.

Yep. The taxpayers subsidize fucking WalMart's payroll. They don't pay their employees enough to feed their kids. The health benefits suck, if they offer them at all. Sooooo, WE THE PEOPLE feed their children, and pay for their emergency room care - all while WalMart's profits are in the billions! It's CORPORATE WELFARE!!!

Close, about 47.

Thanks for the link!

These political debates are like sweet n sour candy. lol

It's fun yet frustrating at the same time.

Reality is...we all have our minds made up. We've seen what we've seen. Lived through what we've lived. And formed our opinions.

The only thing that is incredulous to me is the percentage of people the media tell us truly haven't made up their minds.

It just seems impossible that anyone who doesn't live under a rock could not have an opinion and a decision made on who to vote for. I suspect that the folks who claim that when asked just don't want to tell what they think.

Anyway, as I said...this debate is both fun and frustrating. Kinda like my sex life. lol

Im glad it kept going after I went to bed. But you are right its fun.Back in the day this used to happen around the sunday dinner table at my grandmothers house. And we are more civil here. lol I was kid and they would scream and call each others names and then at the end of the night hug and kiss each other goodnight.That used to amaze me lol.

The Tampa Bay Times?!? Seriously.... :1orglaugh

I know facts are boring.

Quotes from the liberal kool-aid is boring! :1orglaugh

if you can't refute the facts, kill the messenger. lame.

Pretty sure when an elephant pisses on some people they do believe that it is rain.
Others it's the donkey. Just so I'm not playing favorites.

Sometimes 1 plus 1 really does equal 2 though. But where?

Then I am sure that you would have no problem if I quoted everything from Fox News as fact right? :winkwink:

100 lies

Hey, if you (or anyone else) like to live in fantasy land, that's your call ;)

Just so you know, the source we're talking about is Politifact, an independent, pulitzer-prize winning organization that fact-checks statements made by political figures & others.

Their 'pants on fire' section is particularly fun: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...gs/pants-fire/

and fyi, other major news sources including the Washington Post have also called bullshit on this one.

Enjoy your Kool-Aid. ;)

Gotta understand, if it's EVER been spoken of on the Huffington Post or MSNBC, it equals the socialist left wing media propoganda machine. It's the new black.

My friend told me today that she read in a news report that a company discovered that, and I'm quoting here, "most" of Romneys Twitter followers were, "fake". I told her but surely you must be reading the left wing media because it contained that story. We had a nice laugh.

That's how it goes these days. Why be intellectually honest or curious when you can just kill every messenger? Takes too much effort to have actual arguments and counter arguments.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Pot. Kettle.

Personally, i'm neither democrat nor republican, i just like facts. And this whole 'obama stole $700bil from medicare' is not factual.

How does this one suit you then?...

Deroy Murdock: Romney's right, Obama cut Medicare
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/me...bama-cuts.html

Or this one...
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/04/hh...macare-budget/

Or this one...

Obamacare Robs Medicare of $716 Billion to Fund Itself

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/08/01/...o-fund-itself/

lol ......

Fox has taught you well how to spin and ingore things that don't fit what you want to hear. My comment was based on your dismissing the source because politifact is run/associated with the tampa bay journal.

I then pointed out that politifact is an independent, pulitzer prize winning organization that fact-checks the things that politicians (of all stripes) and others say. To which you brilliantly, and ever-so insightfully responded "Enjoy your Kool-Aid. ;)"

As i said, i'm neither dem or rep. I just like facts.

You clearly just want hear what you want to hear. Have fun with that.

Mitt is a little bitch
 

Mitt is a little bitch.

He sends his wife out to announce that there will be no further tax returns released (crooks). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1778376.html


And he has his son call the losing VP hopefuls http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/48622065


What kind of man does that? :disgust

IMO the solution to our joke of a congress is to raise their salary from $175,000 to well over $1million. The positions then suddenly become interesting to much more talented people who currently make too much in the private sector to consider working in politics.

This is BULLSHIT.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-medicare-cut/

BTW - The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank - not the best place to get unbiased information.

A Koch Brothers funded "think tank" at that.

Fuck the Koch brothers with a rusty screwdriver.

Was just at a Romney/Ryan protest. Silly old man with a video camera tried to get me to say something dumb so he could post it online and laugh with his friends.

I don't think he'll be posting anything I had to say.

He said he lives on $26k / year. I asked him how he felt about Mitt having a lower tax rate than he does. He said that wasn't true. I asked him "how could you know"? Mitt is hiding the truth from us. He said "do you know there is a website that has all of Mitt's tax returns there for you to read". Unfortunately, he couldn't remember the name of it. Damn. Too bad.

He got annoyed that I wouldn't let the issue go, and wanted to know what other issues I have with Mittens. I said I had a big problem with the fact that Willard supported the Vietnam war AND ACTIVELY supported the draft - and then ran off to spread the word of Mormon through France. The jungles of Vietnam for the rest of the guys - Paris lights for Mitt. So, like a natural, GOP dumbass, he wanted to know how I felt about Clinton's military history. I gently reminded him that CLINTON ISN'T RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT this year.

Then he brought up gas prices. I told him even Fox News said the president has no control over gas prices. He guffawed and said "Really? Fox News said that?" And I said, yes - they said it when GWB was president. It's all over Youtube. They don't say that much anymore. Strange that.

Republicans are such dumb shits. Here's an old dude without a pot to piss in - and he thinks Romney, the millionaire, chickenhawk, dog-abusing, flip-flop king, is better for him and the country.
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...g-it_small.jpg

GrantMercury...guys like Romney earn money on Capital Gains.

Do you suggest raising taxes on capital gains? Or do you just like posting vitriolic words?

What is your suggestion? And would raising taxes on capital gains do anything to help our country get out of debt? Why do you want anybody to pay more taxes?
To build roads? Nope, that's the gasoline tax. To help schools? Nope, that's the property tax. To help seniors? Nope, that the social security and medicare taxes.

To allow congressmen to send money back to their cronies at home with pork barrel spending? Yep. To fund more wars? Yep.

How about this...even after we lost our credit rating, the govt. hasn't slowed down spending at all. In fact they INCREASED spending. (though they did decrease the amount of the increase...only in Washington D.C. would that be considered a "cut")

How about politicians get serious about STOPPING THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING. Then we'll worry about taxes.

I've seen the clip of Bill O'Reilly saying exactly this. "You can never blame a president for high gas prices!" And he was right.

Of course, when gas prices went up earlier this year, Faux and the radio screamers started blaming the current president for it.

Yup. Raise taxes on capital gains. Lower the payroll tax.

Working people should NOT pay a higher tax rate on money earned with their sweat, than the rich do on money made by money while they lounge by the fucking pool!

Cut WASTEFUL spending (pentagon is a great place to start). Close tax loopholes. Raise taxes on Mitt and his friends who have been getting away with financial murder for years (why do you think Mitt won't let us see his returns)? Cancel the next needless war.

Then see what kind of fiscal shape the nation is in. :thumbsup

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...-smile-ann.jpg

Yup. Here you go: http://climatecrocks.com/2012/03/06/...ol-oil-prices/

Lies are all Mitt has. Now he's whining like a fucking bitch about Obama's "hate", when all it is is fair criticism.

Willard is a lightweight.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...romney-biz.jpg

All the money would leave the country. Like one of democrats biggest supporters and one of his biggest fundraisers. Who renounced her citizenship to save 10s of millions of dollars.

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-10/p...rs-tax-evasion

This quote comes to mind:
"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you've earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else's money" Thomas Sowell

Aren't you forgetting about the millions of Americans (including seniors with retirement plans) who make money off of investments?

By the way...I was watching CNN and they had one of Romney's guys explain what he's looking to do.

He wants to lower capital gains taxes for anyone making LESS than $200,000.00
In other words, the working men and women and the retirees living off of 401K plans.
His own tax rate would stay the same.

Also, just wanted to point out: yes, some "rich" people lounge by the pool (the kardashians for instance).
But most people who are "rich" are driven and ambitious work-a-holic types who put in more hours in a week than any "working" men and women who are just employees and work 40 hours a week and do no more than they have to in order to get that paycheck.

When you own your own business there is literally NO end of the day (no 9 to 5 bullshit) and there are NO vacations or holidays.

If you're like me...then you are driven by ambition. I work on my "vacations", I work on holidays. I work late nights and early mornings. I work on weekends.

Nobody gets rich just laying by the pool. (except those goddam kardashians lol)