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CarlosTheGaucho 08-21-2012 01:12 PM

Add the most agressive inbound link buying / trading campaigns,

pretty much every of those linkfarms point to the biggest tubes, a notable portion of all the incoming linkspun requests are for major tubes who have an army of people who do nothing else day and night than care about getting more and backlinks for them, homepage and deeplinking alike.

Btw. I will get in touch perhaps we may work something out.

WiredGuy 08-21-2012 01:22 PM

Links/PR is just a tiny part of the ranking algorithm. Think bounce rates and retention times. Tubes are killing it on SEO because these factors have become a bigger part of their rankings.
WG

Best-In-BC 08-21-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19136120)
Yeah, but that business is kinda dying out..

Thats what happens when all the hard workers sell out or leave, google is liking my work just fine and I do hardly any l/e

peterk 08-21-2012 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 19138027)
Links/PR is just a tiny part of the ranking algorithm. Think bounce rates and retention times. Tubes are killing it on SEO because these factors have become a bigger part of their rankings.
WG

exactly time spent on tube site average 36 minutes, most
of your porn sites they spend 2 minutes and tube sites get a lot mote traffic too. that's why.

~Ray 08-21-2012 05:15 PM

some webmasters are using those bulk backlinks to increase their inlinks without weighing their site down with recips. The increased inlinks will also increase the domain authority. Some people are even getting sub domains backlinked to raise the overall inlink number to the domain, thus, improving it's overall authority.

There are several pieces to the SEO puzzle and several different ways to use backlinks to rank better.

Right now, I would use bulk backlinks for secondary sites (domains that link to your main domain) as well as sub domains of your main domain and check the results over the next 60 - 90 days.

Be sure to link your sub domains to your index page using one of the keywords you used to backlink that sub domain.

~Ray

DamageX 08-21-2012 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 19138027)
Links/PR is just a tiny part of the ranking algorithm. Think bounce rates and retention times. Tubes are killing it on SEO because these factors have become a bigger part of their rankings.
WG

Not gonna argue with you here. Though many of those tubes did start dominating the SERPs by buying links. I know, I sold them links myself. :1orglaugh

jimmycooper 08-22-2012 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 19135801)
No wonder people are bitching about Google showing tubes for most keywords and their own "quality" sites tanking every day...

I posted a thread the other day in the sell and buy forum, looking to buy hardlinks. Boy was I shocked at the sites I got sent to look at... For fuck's sake people, how do you think Google is supposed to like/rank a site with 120+ outgoing links in the footer? That's a fucking linkfarm... Add to that the fact that the sites it "trades links" with do just about the same thing and welcome to clusterfuck land.

It's not Google's fault that tubes rank well. It's adult webmasters' fault, 'cause they know fuck all about SEO and usability.

Oh and BTW, $20/mo for a footer link on a PR1 site with 200+ outgoing backlinks, now THAT is a good deal! :1orglaugh

On a related note, if anyone has some GOOD links for sale, get in touch please.

What is your email address? Or email me at jimmycooper [@] starletsheet [.] com

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19136265)
The next time someone mentions a Class C to you in the context of SEO, especially if they are trying to also sell you a server package, just smile politely and walk away. Those "in the know" can tell you why, but it'll just cause a shit-storm to talk about it here.

That's not to say it won't matter in the future, but right now? Well, do your research, don't listen to the "group think" that abounds.

The next time someone mentions a Class C to you in the context of SEO, especially if they are trying to also sell you a server package, just smile politely and walk away. Those "in the know" can tell you why, but it'll just cause a shit-storm to talk about it here.

That's not to say it won't matter in the future, but right now? Well, do your research, don't listen to the "group think" that abounds.

DamageX 08-22-2012 11:42 AM

Oh and gotta love it when sellers send a shitton of URLs from a GMail address. Talk about letting Google know you're selling links... :1orglaugh

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19138831)
What is your email address? Or email me at jimmycooper [@] starletsheet [.] com

damagex @ ************

edgeprod 08-22-2012 02:08 PM

jimmy -- was your quoting of my quote then quoting my quote for Xzibit, or something else?

Colmike9 08-22-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 19138648)
Not gonna argue with you here. Though many of those tubes did start dominating the SERPs by buying links. I know, I sold them links myself. :1orglaugh

If you happen to have a bunch of Thumblogger blogs, the shared box, especially with some custom js for niche variations, can be a very helpful tool for a massive amount of quality backlinks that takes a second to change instead of hours like normal..

Same thing with header.php or footer.php for wpmu setups. :upsidedow

DamageX 08-22-2012 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19140033)
If you happen to have a bunch of Thumblogger blogs, the shared box

Funny, never actually used thumblogger, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Care to show an example?

jimmycooper 08-23-2012 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19139971)
jimmy -- was your quoting of my quote then quoting my quote for Xzibit, or something else?

The answer is in the Edit: "Reason: Ooops. It wasn't meant to be an exact duplicate."

Django 08-23-2012 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 19139651)
Oh and gotta love it when sellers send a shitton of URLs from a GMail address. Talk about letting Google know you're selling links... :1orglaugh



damagex @ ************

I usually use this to communicate the list of urls

http://www.cpmuseum.com/Exhibits/App...0the%20job.jpg

never had a problem

DamageX 08-23-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Django (Post 19140739)
I usually use this to communicate the list of urls

http://www.cpmuseum.com/Exhibits/App...0the%20job.jpg

never had a problem

That is not a communication device. Smartass fail.

Django 08-23-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 19141756)
That is not a communication device. Smartass fail.

ops wrong tool

http://cdn2.wn.com/pd/a0/02/dd871955...7b3_grande.jpg

here my assistants buying backlinks

edgeprod 08-23-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Django (Post 19140739)
I usually use this to communicate the list of urls

http://www.cpmuseum.com/Exhibits/App...0the%20job.jpg

never had a problem

Funny thing .. I just got done using one to discharge a small capacitor. Ker-zap!


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Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 19140703)
The answer is in the Edit: "Reason: Ooops. It wasn't meant to be an exact duplicate."

Ha, was that a reference to GTS? I missed the joke, maybe.

Colmike9 08-23-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19141945)
Funny thing .. I just got done using one to discharge a small capacitor. Ker-zap!

It's funny if you take a big capacitor and charge it with bare wire leads. Then fold each lead down the side of the capacitor without touching each other then toss it to a friend.. :upsidedow

peterk 08-23-2012 02:31 PM

stupid thread

mineistaken 08-23-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19136114)
Keyword research and learning how to do it right will get you farther with getting traffic than anything else.

This one tube took me 5 minutes to set up and $1 and I haven't touched it since. Not too bad. :upsidedow

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MUqafxaNxA...00/gptscrn.jpg

You can not get thousands visitors per day without having any backlinks to your site (since you claim 5 minutes and emphasize keyword research I assume you claim you did not add backlinks). And there is a huge keyword that can bring thousands hits a day, those are competetive and without any seo you won't rank. Now you may have researched 1000 keywords and you may get 5 hits /each day - but still hardly believable without backlinks. Not to meantion it takes time to find 1000 keywords.

mineistaken 08-23-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Freaky_Akula (Post 19136147)
Good post. 93% of the link sellers in buy and sell are selling useless links. Even if they are high PR. Their sites are heavily interlinked, on the same IP addresses and filled with a boatload of outbound links. Some are selling links from sites on IP addresses in different C classes, but then they put Google Analytics code on all their sites.

Its a myth that google cares about same IP. They know most webmasters are on shared servers, not to mention freehosted sites like their own blogger and like.

mineistaken 08-23-2012 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19136166)
SEO is all fucked up and you have to weed out the bullshitters or just learn it yourself.

Also, linking based on relevancy to your site is better than linking based on PR these days. Even G says PR isn't calculated anymore in their algo.. :upsidedow

Pr means nothing, but I would be curious to hear more about it - if its not calculated in their algo how do they still give pagerank su sites? Randomly?

edgeprod 08-23-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19142068)
It's funny if you take a big capacitor and charge it with bare wire leads. Then fold each lead down the side of the capacitor without touching each other then toss it to a friend.. :upsidedow

We used to call those "Cap Mines," and they were fun as hell! I never did it with "big" capacitors (haha), but 1-1.5F were funny.

Colmike9 08-23-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142092)
You can not get thousands visitors per day without having any backlinks to your site (since you claim 5 minutes and emphasize keyword research I assume you claim you did not add backlinks). And there is a huge keyword that can bring thousands hits a day, those are competetive and without any seo you won't rank. Now you may have researched 1000 keywords and you may get 5 hits /each day - but still hardly believable without backlinks. Not to meantion it takes time to find 1000 keywords.

I'll let you wonder how I do it. Backlinks are overrated these days :upsidedow

Also, it's a bit better than 1000 keywords at 5/day:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-56uST2PbVR...1600/gptst.jpg

Colmike9 08-23-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142097)
Pr means nothing, but I would be curious to hear more about it - if its not calculated in their algo how do they still give pagerank su sites? Randomly?

Although it's not weighted (So they say..) I still sort of use it as a guideline.

mineistaken 08-23-2012 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19142108)
I'll let you wonder how I do it. Backlinks are overrated these days :upsidedow

Also, it's a bit better than 1000 keywords at 5/day:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-56uST2PbVR...1600/gptst.jpg

Ok not sure about time span, but it seems that your biggest keywords is getting like 300 or so clicks a day? That is pretty big keyword (there are no hidden secret keywords that big that you can outrank in 5 minutes including time to build the site).
Lets say you get 300/day from one keyword. Even if you rank number 1 that means its at least 30.000/month exact/phrase keyword a month. If you rank number 3 and get 300 hits/day it means its like 100.000 exact/phrase keyword a month.
There are no keywords that big that are so easy to rank for (with no backlinks).

I would like to believe you, but it looks that you are not saying something. Something is missing from the picture :) There must be backlinks to your site..

Colmike9 08-23-2012 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142126)
Ok not sure about time span, but it seems that your biggest keywords is getting like 300 or so clicks a day? That is pretty big keyword (there are no hidden secret keywords that big that you can outrank in 5 minutes including time to build the site).
Lets say you get 300/day from one keyword. Even if you rank number 1 that means its at least 30.000/month exact/phrase keyword a month. If you rank number 3 and get 300 hits/day it means its like 100.000 exact/phrase keyword a month.
There are no keywords that big that are so easy to rank for (with no backlinks).

I would like to believe you, but it looks that you are not saying something. Something is missing from the picture :) There must be backlinks to your site..

When did I ever say it doesn't have backlinks?..

Colmike9 08-23-2012 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142126)
Ok not sure about time span, but it seems that your biggest keywords is getting like 300 or so clicks a day?

Started in January and my best keyword gets around 300-600/day by itself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142126)
(there are no hidden secret keywords that big that you can outrank in 5 minutes including time to build the site).

There absolutely are, you just have to find them and know how to.

And no, I don't use any kind of paid SEO or results scraping software to do it. Just good old fashioned Google Keyword Tool. Most people use it wrong, which is probably part of the problem since it's meant for Adsense PPC campaigns.. :2 cents:

mineistaken 08-23-2012 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19142135)
When did I ever say it doesn't have backlinks?..

Well you did not deny when I assumed that you can barely build a site in 5 minutes, not to mention adding backlinks. But if it has backlinks then its all good. Still 5 minutes, maybe exaggerating a bit? :)

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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19142137)
Started in January and my best keyword gets around 300-600/day by itself.

There absolutely are, you just have to find them and know how to.

And no, I don't use any kind of paid SEO or results scraping software to do it. Just good old fashioned Google Keyword Tool. Most people use it wrong, which is probably part of the problem since it's meant for Adsense PPC campaigns.. :2 cents:

Yep, I am using that tool for years as well. For that many hits (300-600 day per keyword) that keyword must be like 50.000 or 100.000 "phrase" or [exact] searches per month keyword. Or even bigger, it depends on which serp position so you rank for. So I speculate about the size of the keyword here. But like I said it must be pretty big. Like "milf videos" big. And undiscovered by other webmasters, not to mention if keyword is that big it still would have strong "natural" competition - meaning there will b some strong sites ranking for it even if nobody "discovered" that keyword.
I mean believe you since there is no point to lie, but it sounds too good to be true for me :2 cents:

ps: I see you left couple keywords disclosed, is there any chance you could tell me an example of what you call good keyword without competition? Maybe our definition of "no competition and high search volume" keyword is way different :)

Colmike9 08-23-2012 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142153)
Well you did not deny when I assumed that you can barely build a site in 5 minutes, not to mention adding backlinks. But if it has backlinks then its all good. Still 5 minutes, maybe exaggerating a bit? :)

Not really, it took about 2 seconds to add the backlinks. That's the part that I'm not telling how I do it, though, and it's not a normal method. :upsidedow

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142153)
Yep, I am using that tool for years as well. For that many hits (300-600 day per keyword) that keyword must be like 50.000 or 100.000 "phrase" or [exact] searches per month keyword. Or even bigger, it depends on which serp position so you rank for. So I speculate about the size of the keyword here. But like I said it must be pretty big. Like "milf videos" big. And undiscovered by other webmasters, not to mention if keyword is that big it still would have strong "natural" competition - meaning there will b some strong sites ranking for it even if nobody "discovered" that keyword.
I mean believe you since there is no point to lie, but it sounds too good to be true for me :2 cents:

I got lucky and found a good term that is very easy to target with 60,000 exact monthly searches along with a method to get 10,000's of longtails on top of that, that's all ;)

Colmike9 08-23-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142153)
ps: I see you left couple keywords disclosed, is there any chance you could tell me an example of what you call good keyword without competition? Maybe our definition of "no competition and high search volume" keyword is way different :)

No thanks, if I post it it will have competition, which I don't want :upsidedow

mineistaken 08-23-2012 03:24 PM

Makes sense now. By the way what do you call "easy to target" here. I know number of "results" in google search is not everything as you should consider the strength of only top10 results, but still - how many results does google gives you when you search for that keyword in quotes? Just aprox. number would be fine (you do not want to disclose the keyword here)

mineistaken 08-23-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19142162)
No thanks, if I post it it will have competition, which I don't want :upsidedow

I meant could you post me via email/icq privately, but I 100% understand that you do not want to disclose it, its cool :)
Just sounded too good and I was curious.

Colmike9 08-23-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142163)
Makes sense now. By the way what do you call "easy to target" here. I know number of "results" in google search is not everything as you should consider the strength of only top10 results, but still - how many results does google gives you when you search for that keyword in quotes? Just aprox. number would be fine (you do not want to disclose the keyword here)

There are 139,000,000 results when searched in quotes and mine is #2

Colmike9 08-23-2012 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142166)
I meant could you post me via email/icq privately, but I 100% understand that you do not want to disclose it, its cool :)
Just sounded too good and I was curious.

We'll see :batman

mineistaken 08-23-2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 19142170)
There are 139,000,000 results when searched in quotes and mine is #2

Damn this is huge competition if based only on number of results. "milf videos" return only 3,770,000 and also has 60.000 exact searches like your keyword. Maybe this keyword would be even easier for you? :)

Colmike9 08-23-2012 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142178)
Damn this is huge competition if based only on number of results. "milf videos" return only 3,770,000 and also has 60.000 exact searches like your keyword. Maybe this keyword would be even easier for you? :)

Probably, I can always try :upsidedow
Sounds fun, too

btw, it's in my sig..

mineistaken 08-23-2012 03:45 PM

Damn I did not even know that such a keyword existed, let alone with that big search volume (my adwords show 550.000 exact searches, unbelievable!). Change it to "silver" and number of searches goes to nothing :)

Colmike9 08-23-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19142200)
Damn I did not even know that such a keyword existed, let alone with that big search volume (my adwords show 550.000 exact searches, unbelievable!). Change it to "silver" and number of searches goes to nothing :)

lol, that's what I meant about getting lucky :upsidedow

That's how I get traffic, by finding keywords like that :pimp

kazbalah 08-23-2012 10:24 PM

I think i better setup a tube site!

edgeprod 08-24-2012 11:18 AM

In this thread: a guy is a dick to another, smarter, guy, and then tries to learn his secrets when he realizes that he's missing out and making assumptions about things he doesn't understand.


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