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That's the part of this whole class warfare argument that is never brought up. Back when I was making $50,000 a year I NEVER actually paid the assigned tax rate I was supposed to pay. I took every deduction I could and squeezed out every last write off I could. What's needed is a chart that shows what people REALLY pay. All those people in lower incomes do NOT actually pay their tax rate either. This whole argument is such a joke. Fact is people who actually make real money pay almost all the taxes in this country. Yet they don't get any more "services" from the govt. than anybody else. They just pay more. I pay more money in taxes...more than most of you. And I can flat out tell you that I don't get anything more than any of you do (talking infrastructure...because I have NEVER gotten any kind of "assistance" from the govt. EVER) |
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can it be? I agree with you everyone hide!:upsidedow |
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Fees you pay your accountant to prepare your taxes are deductible. The fees you pay to a broker for your retirement plan are deductible. The mileage you put on your car driving to see the financial adviser handling your 401 or IRA fund is deductible. People do it all the time. NOBODY pays the exact rate that is listed on those charts. The cheapest tax software on the market will instantly lower that for you by showing you deductions you can take. There's a reason people who are employees get "tax refund" checks at the end of the year. (something I, of course have never seen because I've always worked for myself). |
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Careful, you'll wear out that back-patting arm. Did you go to public school? Did your employees? Does your business utilize the government-created internet? Do you have a corporation or LLC that shields you from personal liability? Have you ever litigated in a taxpayer-funded court of law? Is your money in a bank protected by the FDIC? I don't know what your business is. I don't care. You didn't become a success without some help along the way. Nobody does. We are all a part of a society. Get over yourself. Anytime you want to give all your money away, you too, can live the good life that poor people now enjoy with their low taxes. Being poor sucks. You won't find a poor person that wouldn't rather have money - even if it meant higher taxes. We've got 311,592,000 people in America. Not all of them can be rich. If you're hanging on to that fantasy, it's long past time to give it up. Quote:
So it's pretty gross to hear rich people complain about taxes. Who should pay the bulk of the taxes? The poor who are struggling to get out of poverty? http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...74970726_n.jpg |
Hypothetically, if I had personal net income (before tax sheltering) of $3 million a year and my total taxes were $1.05 million (35% current to marginal bracket) I would have 1.95 million left for me -- alligator tears -- tough to live on $1.95 Million a year. |
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Look man...public schools are paid for in LOCAL PROPERTY TAXES. Nothing to do with Federal income tax. Once you grow up and own your own home you'll discover that. The internet? Not that again...that was created for the military. PRIVATE businesses turned it into something for the entire world to use. What the fuck does paying federal income tax have to do with my LLC and personal liability? The FEDERAL income tax does NOT pay for my local court of law. Local taxes do. You are one ignorant and uninformed person. Which puts you in the majority. No, I'm not calling you "stupid". You obviously are not. But you are definitely ignorant and uninformed. Finally...you said: "I don't know what your business is" Really? Hint: I'm in the porn industry. DUH! This forum is SUPPOSED to be for people in the adult porn industry. Maybe you are in the wrong place if you don't know what people on here do for a living. |
successful people must pay losers' bills. Just look:
if you work hard and earn a lot you are being punished and made to pay for some lazy bastard who is doing nothing and gets rewarded for doing nothing. |
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Point is...it's YOUR money. Not the govt. You earned it. And trust me my friend...if you had to write a 1 million dollar check to the federal govt. for them to waste and funnel back to their buddies in their home states and fund more wars and military...you would NOT be happy about it. If you are like any normal person, you want what is yours. And you want to give it to your children and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Not saying we shouldn't pay any taxes. I'm just saying that you going on about how rich people already "have enough" is pure class warfare at it's worst. It's THEIR money. Let them live their lives without being forced to give even more of it to CROOKED politicians. What the fuck has happened to people's minds? Since when did everybody start thinking that the Federal govt. is all rainbows and fucking unicorns and so nice and benevolent? Don't ANY of you watch the news? The majority of our tax money goes to killing people all over the world and congressmen funneling it back to their henchmen in their home states. A very SMALL bit goes to actually helping the poor. Wake the fuck up! Career politicians do NOT have your best interest at heart. |
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[D]id you go to public school? |
Actually federal funds do go to state education. You are mistaken. Google is your friend :)
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I guess I must be nuts -- I don't feel that I am deprived of my wealth after paying my taxes. |
I just spit beer out my nose lol
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My point is...the U.S. govt. is spending 7 MILLION DOLLARS per MINUTE. That is insane. Way too much on the military. We have a colossus military, but there is no real war we are fighting. And there is no enemy for all those ships and planes and nuclear missiles and military bases. If my money were being spent to build roads (which it isn't...state and local taxes AND the national gasoline tax does) or actually fund the local schools (it's not) or help the poor (tiny sliver of it)...then that would be one thing. But the reality is they are spending 7 million dollars a minute on foreign aid, military spending, congressmen taking trips and having a huge staff and free health care for life, and a monstrosity of bureaucracy as well as corruption and funneling money back to their cronies. The Federal budget this year (2012) is 2.252 TRILLION dollars! (of which 1.1 trillion is DEFICIT spending). Think about that. A billion dollars is a thousand million. A trillion is a thousand billion dollars. There were 42 million total people in poverty in 2010. If you broke that down into families and just assumed that there are 3 people per family on average...that would be 14 million families. So if you took 2 trillion dollars of this years budget you could just straight out give 2 million families a million dollars each. Do that for 7 years and you just wiped out poverty and created 14 million Millionaire households. Sounds crazy...but guess what? Since 1965 when Johnson launched the "War On Poverty" we have spend over 10 TRILLION dollars. And poverty has went up anyway. Kinda like Nixon's "War On Drugs". lol My point is that the govt. takes your money and wastes it. They don't get it to the poor people who really need it. First it goes to pay bureaucrats salaries and offices and expenses...then a lot of it gets skimmed through corruption. I would rather pay just enough taxes for our govt. to just be able to do what it has to do. No more, no less. If our country has decided to help the poor...then let's really do it and not spend one dime more than is needed. 7 million dollars a minute they are spending. Don't you think that's way out of line? |
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Sounds like he got a little more than I ever will. |
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perhaps, friend, you should try reading that story from a less biased source like, HOW romney 'convinced' the government |
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But we are not all equal.
Some of us work harder than others, and are properly rewarded. Right now I'm on vacation and I just spent the past two hours working. I make good money and I don't pay jack fucking shit in taxes. Why should someone working eighty hours a week making french fries pay more in taxes than me? At some point in time you need to apply common sense here. Someone who makes $40k a year shouldn't be paying more in taxes than someone making $500k. |
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Did you read the article you linked by any chance? |
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I was a building contractor for 13 years, specializing in stone masonry work, and won a lot of bids to apply stone masonry veneers to road bridges. Many of the bridges on state highways and even local roads are partially funded with Federal Revenue Sharing Funds -- I know this for fact as my subcontracts were subject to Davis-Bacon Act Federal prevailing wage requirements. All work you see done on Interstate Highways is Federally funded of course. |
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I support the FairTax
The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current three-million-word-plus word tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a 23% national sales tax on purchases of new goods and services. This rate is equal to the lowest current income tax bracket (15%) combined with employee payroll taxes (7.65%), both of which will be eliminated. |
On a sidenote, what makes me sick is this:
I could have paid my mortgage, all utilities, all groceries and my car payments with what I paid last year in taxes. and I'm not "rich" |
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Further more if a flat tax is implemented how do you think that will stimulate the economy? If person A is making 30k a year and person B making 200k a year both are paying a flat tax of say 10k. Just exactly how does person A go out and buy stuff like cars, houses, furniture etc?? When people don't spend the economy crashes.
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Great, are corporations living persons living in the United States? |
Ok. Lets all pay the same flat dollar amount. I propose that the amount be 15 million US dollars per year. All in favor?
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The check is in the mail :1orglaugh |
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For that matter.... my local grocery store has a shitload on it's shelves. It can afford if some of it is just taken or handed out to people for free. Right? If taxes are kept at a reasonable rate people don't move because they want to enjoy those things in life taxes pay for? I was with you right up to the "taxes pay for" part. |
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Why should a 20 year old be treated the same as the 50 year old btw? The 50 year old has more experience, more time in life to have built up what they have desired. Get rid of deductions, make it straight across the board. I don't give a rats ass if you are a person or business, treat them all equally. Businesses reap massive benefits right now in comparison to individuals..... another discussion in and of itself entirely. |
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with that threat, the government decided to allow the reduction in order to get any money back at all can you imagine if we, as individuals, had a similar situation? |
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I'd say it's fairly accurate to say the the less a person makes the less they can afford to have taken out. After all, if you have $100 and I have $10 and the flat tax is $9 I'm pretty much wiped out while you are pretty much fine.
So obviously it doesn't need to be said really.. a percentage is what a flat tax is about, not a dollar amount. And a clearly perverted picture is the $100 person paying 15% while the $10 person pays 25%. Right? Right. So very simple. |
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And in that scenario...everything would have a national sales tax. Doesn't matter if you, me, my dog, or a corporation buys something..it will be taxes at the suggested 23% national sales tax. So a big corporation that buys a hundred million dollars worth of supplies..they currently write that off their taxes. But with the sales tax...they would pay $23 million dollars in sales tax. |
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Wrong -- the FairTax |
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2- was just a metaphor for theft... paying taxes had nothing to do with it 3- Yes, you are correct. Paid for by taxes. But who's taxes? If I'm effectively paying 20% and my neighbor is only paying 7% due to our earnings, who's actually paying? What if my effective bill is 1million but his is only 17k? In those instances we are not paying the same and therefore your question is... who pays for it? Overwhelmingly, the higher earners and higher tax payers are. Even under a flat tax scenario they would be. Yes, it's got to be paid for somehow. It is being paid for. It's overwhelmingly paid for by (borrowing mostly, but repayments being made by) the higher earners and on the whole they use less of the services (although road usage and post office usage and military usage is pretty much equal for everyone; just not equally paid for by everyone). |
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Taxation is merely society agreeing to absorb societal costs among the collective to help benefit the collective. Suggestions on how to make things work otherwise? |
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