You never hear of a senator, president or congressman leaving congress with less wealth or even the same wealth as when they came in. That should tell you enough.

I can honestly say I always look forward to these threads and a 12clicks appearance.

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Why not?

You wish you were as delusional. :2 cents:

Then send them YOUR money.

Any of the people that we employ can start their own business whenever they want. Over the years a few have and have done alright.

Why would it be my concern at how people on the lower or the higher end of the payscale wants to live? Everyone makes choices. Some decide they need or want wealth. Others decide that at 5 on friday they want to be done working and get a 12 pack of beer.

The observation I have made over the years is that bleeding heart liberals are always ready and willing to spend someone elses money.

Ben, do you have tourettes syndrome? You come across as a complete pathetic idiot.

You have no idea what it takes to run a company. That is the reason you are poor. I share a little humor about a 600 page manual and you think that's what I do all day. Your comments are so ridiculous that I won't even bother trying to educate you.

You can thank god that the world needs ditchdiggers.

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Well, since you didn't *really* build your company, you have free time all day to read 600 page manuals!
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The operative word is *could*. Even if companies were co-op the greed/power factory is genetically bred into humans. Someone will always rise to the top.

What is more likely, is that factories will continue to automate. And in time we won't need people like you.

Thankgod,the company is already built! However,even if it weren't I would've made time to learn that manual.(which I did).. I think not hating manuals and technical publications is why I gravitated towards engineering.

Not a coincidence that you can always tell who the employees are and who the employers are based on their position on these issues.

Employees don't building companies.

If that was the case, you could just walk down to the soup kitchen, grab a bunch of stragglers and build the next Microsoft and everyone here would be a billionaire. Thats all it takes apparently.

its a combo. steve jobs could of had all the drive in the world if he didnt have great minds to push nothing would of happened.

I wonder how many of those great minds came and left during his tenure.

Steve Jobs had all the talent in the world, including the ability to lead a company and find great talent. Obviously a business needs employees - that doesn't mean employees make a company happen or make a business successful. I can sweep a floor and we can all argue that I couldn't have done it without the broom, however, I could grab any broom and do an excellent job, because that's who I am. The broom does not deserve 1/2 of the credit. The broom is just a tool and one that is easily replaceable.

Not the same people arent brooms.

What I dont understand is Minte is this millionaire, super successful businessman.But he comes to hang out on GFY. Makes no sense. I have had more exposure to the working rich than most and they didnt waste time.

You are doing way too much uninformed speaking on my behalf. As long as I have known you, you have worked for someone. And I am certain in your mind you were grossly underpaid. The question begs to be asked..

Why didn't you start your own thing? And if you did, why wasn't it successful?

To keep it in perspective, I am not asking anyone to lower my taxes. I stated, I thought,clearly that raising taxes exclusively on people making over $250k annually is wrong. It will be wasted just like most of the money we pay now. If you want to argue that I am wrong, look up what the government pays daily in interest on the $16T debt.

Now I understand why. He feels bad about himself so coming here and berating people makes him feel better.

That's the way it appears to me too.


No offense against Rochard...but THAT is the big question isn't it?

Since everybody thinks it's so easy to be "rich"...then why don't those same people go out and do it themselves instead of working for a salary?

And back to the REAL topic:
Can ANYBODY on here who is FOR raising taxes on the rich...please explain HOW that is going to help get us out of debt?
If they raise the income tax rate it still will NOT RAISE TAXES ON THE RICH BECAUSE THEY EARN MONEY FROM CAPITAL GAINS.
(by the way...Mitt Romney's tax plan for capital gains is to leave it at 15% for people like him. And for middle class people to lower it to ZERO which would help all of us invested in the stock market and our retirement plans. Obama wants to raise capital gains tax on EVERYONE)

And also....the govt. is SPENDING 10.6 BILLION DOLLARS A DAY.
6.8 MILLION DOLLARS PER MINUTE.

Now put those two thoughts together: The wealthiest will not pay one thin dime more with income tax rates raised because they earn capital gains + the govt. spends more in 29 minutes than Mitt Romney's entire net worth.

And then tell me WHY you would want to raise taxes?

Hell...why are so many people these days sucking up to the federal govt? Jesus! They are all getting rich and funneling money back and you idiots want to give them MORE????

Playing golf, sailing ,going for an afternoon flight are all wastes of time.
In the 11 years I have been a member here I have under 5000 posts. If you are questioning anything beyond me wasting a few minutes of time here once and a while, come to Wisconsin. I would be happy to give you a golfcart tour of my new plant.

Who said it was easy to be rich? Who really believes its easy not having shit and having to worry will the lights stay on? What to get that big $300 in welfare? It cant be just a country of just owners it doesnt work. You need a strong middle class, thats what makes the economy work.
Robbie you are a smart man,do you think wars cost nothing? Home land security is free? See when you lower taxes during a time of war.Thats when your spending more.So you build up the debt quicker .And actually spending as gone down during Obama. I know in the imaginary right wing world he is just throwing cash out of windows. Also Robbie where were you when Dick Cheney was saying deficits dont matter? Didnt hear a sound from you or Minte. Debt is a like a rolling ball, it doesnt start at zero when the new president comes in. Also a the big one is W didnt have the war on the books, Obama put it on the books.

I would enjoy that but you are here to belittle people. Know how I can tell. I gave you compliment a few pages ago that I really felt and not a word back. Couldnt stick it my face so it was boring.

My step father was a self made man. He came to the US as a fucking immigrint from France when he was sixteen, and his first job was being a paper boy. In the end he had his own business, a motor repair shop. He started by working at General Electric in his early twenties, and after fifteen years there he had saved up his money to open up his own shop. My step father worked hard, and usually worked full days on Saturdays. But his business was made on the backs of many others. You see, he didn't do it all alone. He had employees - a dozen of them, half of which worked for my father for nearly twenty years. I had known them since I was a child; I thought they were family. My family's business was built through the hard work of dozens of people.

Minte is no different. Without the blood, sweat, and tears of his employees... Minte would nothing.

I complimented you on your weight loss once. You never replied.

Asshole.

Check the times that I posted Tony. If I missed something I apologize. I was away since 6am today on a business trip. I turned on my computer tonight and saw this thread hadn't died. I also read the things that the people I just responded to wrote about me.

And now I read from you that I am only here to belittle people. I take offense to that.
Search my posts on this board from the beginning and you will see I have not ever started a thread to belittle anyone. A solid 90% of the posts I have ever made here were in car threads. But those seem to have fallen out of favor with this new crowd here.

If someone attacks you, are you not going to respond?

if I missed it I'm sorry but he didn't miss it.

1. You know very well that I think we should bring home ALL of our troops. From the middle east, Afghanistan, German, Japan, etc.
It's a huge waste of money and it's bankrupting us.

2. We are NOT at war. We haven't been since 2002. We actually won both of those wars in a matter of days.
We are in a state of "Occupation".
Again..neither you or I want that. But the thieving federal govt. and their buddies in the corporations who make trillions off military spending DO.

3. When Dick Cheney said "deficits don't matter" he was talking to the Treasury Secretary about winning an ELECTION. He was pointing out that Reagan won with a deficit. I can see you are trying to take that statement completely out of the context it was said in and insinuate that Cheney just openly declared that as if it were a matter of policy.
But that's not true.
And also..the deficits he talked about were in the billions of dollars.
Obama is running a TRILLION and a half.

4. I've heard Bill Maher say that same thing about the wars "not being on the books"
What does that mean? Do you have knowledge of the actual federal budget that shows that? Or are we all just repeating something that a liberal media guy said?
I'm just asking about that because I"m curious.
But if that is true...then wouldn't that mean the wars "went on the books" in one of the recent years?
What about all these other years that Obama has been president?

And you still are not addressing this fact: Obama is President RIGHT NOW. And RIGHT NOW we are spending 10.6 BILLION dollars a day.
Don't you think that is ridiculous? And don't you think it's obviously unsustainable? And can you show me the math where the feds can actually tax the American people 10.6 BILLION dollars per day no matter how much they raise the tax rate?

You can't. Because we are being fucked over by the federal govt. The same ones you want to give MORE money to.

Think about that Tony. Forget Obama and Romney for a second. It doesn't matter which one of them gets in...this time next year the feds will be spending MORE per day than they are now.
It never, ever stops growing and expanding.

That is until our credit runs out. Then it's going to be riots in the streets unless we do something now.

Employees are tools. It takes a great talent to find the best and get the best out of them. Success in business definitely takes a great deal more than just "having employees". Every failed company had employees. Are the employees to blame for failed companies? Or they just get improperly credited for success?

You have no idea what I've done in the past ten years, do you?

Why shouldn't we raise the taxes over anyone making $250k a year? This the demographic of people who can afford it the most. The average family making $50,233k a year is barely getting buy...

The money is going to waste your tax dollars anyhow. (Btw, thank you - Your federal tax dollars just built a $350 million freeway bypass around my tiny little town!) And that money is going to come from somewhere, but that's okay... It's gonna come from your pocket one way or another.

I thought we were told in the 1990's when Clinton put a national sales tax on gasoline that it was going to pay for all federal highways and we weren't going to use income tax for that?

So that means that our gasoline taxes paid for that freeway correct?

Shouldn't the real question be: Why SHOULD we raise the taxes?

Is that going to pay for the 10.6 Billion dollars the feds spend EVERY DAY?

With the "tax them" theory...the American people need to pay 10.6 BILLION dollars in taxes per day in order for the Feds to break even.
Is that even mathematically possible?

Essentially what he did was go to Congress and ask for more money to fund the wars each time the money he had previously asked for ran out. This money was given as supplemental spending bills so it added to the overall national debt, but it never appeared on Bush's official budget.

It is similar to what might happen in the case of a major natural catastrophe. The president asks for a supplemental spending bill to be passes so we can pay to help the people affected and fixed the damage caused by the disaster. Apparently the president has the ability to choose not to add this money to his current budget or future budgets so while the full national debt increases, it still makes his budget look a lot less off than it really might be.

Thanks for explaining that. So it isn't the entire war that wasn't "on the books" but the portion that was needed when the original funding ran out. (however much that was)

So the debt still occurred. And WAS counted. It just didn't show up on the Bush budget and made it appear his BUDGET wasn't that big. But his DEBT still was.

So does anybody know when (and why) Obama put that on HIS budget? Which year did he do that/ And how? I thought that there hasn't been even ONE budget passed since Obama has been President?

I did not assume I knew.. I asked a question. It's still there, if you would like to scroll back and reread it.

You on the other hand drafted a fairly lengthy statement about what you think I do and do not know. Do you think that I started in business working in an office? Would it surprise you to know,that at the beginning I ran punch presses, drove trucks,learned to TIG weld..then after 4.5 years of college took a tool & die apprenticeship and built dies for over 8 years? Without all those years of real experience it's tough to say whether I would've been able to grow my companies.

Most of the war was supplemental spending under Bush. Obama put on the books from day one. Also you have remember there over 300 million people is this country. If the Gov spend only $5 on each one of them it would be 1.5 trillion.

Also bring all the troops home what do you do with them then? and all the businesses that support that army.Its not cut and dry.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009...ighing-the-ir/
n his address last night on the economic crisis, President Barack Obama made it official: No more budgetary sleight-of-hand at the Pentagon.

As we have noted here before, the U.S. military has largely paid for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan through emergency spending measures, in effect keeping wartime costs off the books. In addition to masking skyrocketing budget growth at the Department of Defense, this process has allowed the services to treat budget supplementals as a piggy bank for new procurement. Members of Congress may have grumbled about poor oversight, but they have largely acquiesced.

Obama’s message? Not anymore.

"That is why this budget looks ahead ten years and accounts for spending that was left out under the old rules – and for the first time, that includes the full cost of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. "For seven years, we have been a nation at war. No longer will we hide its price."

This is the first real move toward belt-tightening at the Pentagon; we’ll see if the new Defense Department budget reflects it, and Obama’s pledge to stop "paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don’t use."


Meanwhile, the president is weighing the options for a withdrawal from Iraq. In his speech, Obama said he would "soon announce a way forward in Iraq that leaves Iraq to its people and responsibly ends this war."

What that means is that combat troops could likely be out of Iraq by the end of next summer. The Washington Post quotes anonymous officials as saying Obama will announce a withdrawal plan later this week that would have U.S. forces out by August 2010. A substantial force may stay on, however, to train and advise the Iraq military and conduct limited counterterrorism missions. As the New York Times notes, one of Obama’s national security advisers said during the campaign that that the force could number between 30,000 to 55,000 troops.

Meanwhile, the fighting in Iraq is not over. In the volatile city of Mosul, gunmen in police uniforms opened fire on U.S. soldiers, killing a U.S. soldier and an interpreter.

Check your math.

Raising taxes on the rich/wealthy would not help anything. Anyone who thinks that it would is fucking delusional. I'm not rich/wealthy nor am I an American, but the REAL problem, just like Canada or any other country is the Government and all of their wasteful spending. Raising taxes will NOT stop that and it will not help a god damned thing.

As for "You didn't build your business" comments.. That has to be one of the most retarded things that I have ever heard. If businesses were not created all the people who would have gotten a job would be where? That's right.. JOBLESS and broke. Why expect them to pay even higher taxes? You know what will happen if they do? The company will, if they are losing $ due to it, either fire some people OR lower wages.. In either case it's a lose/lose situation.

So all this "fuck the rich" crap is idiotic in my opinion. Without all those rich people all working people would not have a job to begin with. If you think you're better then go do something on your own and make the millions you think you will make, but when you fail don't go crying to whoever about how unfair shit is or how high taxes were or whatever the fuck else.

As I said, I'm not rich/wealthy, (more like poor lol)but I don't bash on the rich just because my life is crap compared to theirs. Who's to say that just because they are rich their life is so great? They possibly have much more stress to deal with then you so just live your life as best as you can and stop bashing everyone else that makes more then you.

let me assure you fuckwit i neither have tourettes nor any other affliction


you think the fact that your manual for your obnoxious car that you knjow for a fact 99% of people cant afford is a little humor ?

were meant to relate to that and have a little laugh are we minte? at you or with you ?


you have have silverspoon shoved up the arse, dribbling so much money you have to tell everyone about it disease

nobody like a rich cunt who insists on tellin everyone how rich they fuckin are you fucking wanker

So if Obama "put it on the books"...then that was resolved after the first year of his presidency. Correct? And also...I thought he has been unable to get a single budget passed since he took office? So how did he put it "on the books"?
And if he did it right away...then HE is responsible for us spending 10.6 BILLION dollars per day NOW!

Also your math is off bro. $5 times 300 million would be $1.5 billion dollars not trillion.

As for the military coming home...It's time to change the way our country works. IF we have to rely on having troops all around the world to keep our economy afloat...then we need to CHANGE that. I'm sorry if they come home from partying in Germany or Japan and have to enter the work force like the rest of us. But it's time. WW2 has been over for 70 years.

You can't just keep justifying spending 10.6 BILLION dollars per day. You can keep trying. But eventually we will run out of credit and we can't keep printing money (and making it worthless) forever.

When that happens..then WHAT do you suggest? Magic? Wishful thinking?
Because when that day comes...EVERYBODY is going to lose ALL their entitlements. And the military won't have any money either.

The gravy train has to stop Tony.

Tell me...how can you tax the American people 10.6 BILLION dollars every day?
Answer: You can't. And you shouldn't anyway.