if I was the gauge the success of a Presidential debate I would look to the polls following it. The most interesting of them to me would be the Fox News one because recently it has been surprisingly... I cant say fair because I cant bring myself to actually say that, but recent FN polls have shown Obama with a lead which surprised me. Made the pundits go into hard core spin mode.

Obama has this

I'm guessing that at a certain point you can't hide from the truth any more...

Every poll I read puts Obama in the lead, and when I wake up in the morning every article on the various news sites I read is about Romney. All of the press about Romney seems bad at this point.

Obama does really well with a TelePrompTer :2 cents:

the liberal 'unbiased' press is definitely working hard to influence the election :2 cents:

actually America is one of the most religious country's on planet earth :2 cents:

Well I can't wait to see it.

democracies fail because the citizens vote themselves more and more 'perks' until the revenue and respect are gone... just sayin' you know?

So you mean to tell me that every press agency in the US (including FOX) is all telling us the same exact thing, and they are all wrong?

Anyone who reveals he's preparing "zingers" couldn't outwit a glass of water.

"Perks" like healthcare, clean air, clean water, education, and infrastructure - or perks like pentagon/military/war funding, big oil tax breaks, big bank bailouts, and tax loopholes that allow the super wealthy to hide their income from benefiting the countries that allowed them to grow richer?

Will the "citizens" get to vote on whether or not we go to war with Iran, or whether or not we fund problematic countries like Israel, or whether or not we want our tax dollars used against us in the funding of a police state?

I don't blame the "citizens" - especially not the poor ones that weren't born with silver spoons in their mouths. :2 cents:

I enjoy your posts :thumbsup

It is funny to see how much the runup is like one to a boxing fight but with reverse smack talk.

I speak with foreigners who ALL tell me that the USA is much more religious than their country. the press has it's own agenda that has nothing to do with news, you know that...

I think your website is making to much money and you're obviously stealing that money from the poor. we need to take most of the funds and redistribute those funds to the people that need/want the money...

ever see that vid where the guys went to a school and chatted up all the 'big business is fucking everybody' students? the interviews said lets take some of you GPA and give it some underprivileged kid... kids that have to work or don't have time to study... hehehhe...

those fucking collage smart asses cried like babies about that... not fair not fair... then the interviews says 'hey, a 3.4 is as good as 4.0 right' :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I was 100% disabled in 2000 due to work injries... I lost EVERYTHING. I was offered welfare and food stamps. I turned it down and started a content biz... so telling me people can't get out and earn isn't really going to work out that well is it?

there is always an excuse for failure. :2 cents:

Really ? what part ?

Uh oh, I saw "redistribution of wealth" mentioned again..
Whats with all the "class warfare"?

I'll have to look for my "Gibberish to English" translation guide and get back to you.

http://ionenewsone.files.wordpress.c...est-cover1.jpg

Hoping for another moment like this from the 2008 debate:

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/u...ama-romney.jpg

What will really be revealed in the debates:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...6_1593923a.jpg

Hide yer brains, yo!!!

:smilie_we

ADG

Without bothering to point out the error of that comment, what does that have to do with anything? The only thing I can guess is that you have no idea what the topics are.

Tonight: domestic policy
October 16: foreign and domestic policy
October 22: foreign policy

So, how does religion fall into these categories?

I have no idea BD... just what the peeps I speak with from out of the country tell me. I avoid video news and only scan headlines on the web and read what I think is interesting.

personally I don't care for Obama as I think is dishonest and hates 'whitey' however that doesn't mean he doesn't have a few good ideas for getting the US back on track, but then again with all the bipartisan BS not much anyone can do...

I do believe both candidates will resort to 'show biz activity' during the debate though.... "let's get the language down and we'll sort out the reality later" :2 cents:

There will be no winner and the loser will be the American people. The moderator will not ask any significant questions, the candidates will not directly examine their opponent's answers or have any kind of constructive dialog - because back in 1998 the two political parties took control of the debate format and locked down the rules so that neither candidate can 'lose.'

It was so underhanded and sleazy that the National League Of Women Voters refused to sanction the debates or be involved with them any longer after decades of overseeing the fairness of REAL debates. They made the correct assertion that the debates are now a joint attempt to defraud the American public, put on by two political parties as a stage show rather than a real discussion of what should be done to improve our nation.

http://www.lwv.org/press-releases/le...rpetrate-fraud

http://open.salon.com/blog/zacherydt...ential_debates

JohnnyClips is an idiot.

I would suggest traveling to other countries rather than rely on the opinion of a few. You think we are more religious than Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq . . . anywhere in the middle east? How about we are the most Christian based nation? That I would agree with.

Did you know that it was legal in Germany to ask what religion a prospective employee is? Did you know that they could refuse (and likely will) if you answer wrong? I was surprised as well when looking over employment applications. Better be a Catholic in some villages.

can you understand this:

I was 100% disabled in 2000 due to work injuries... I lost EVERYTHING. I was offered welfare and food stamps. I turned it down and started a content biz...

and can you understand this:

I belive in giving a man a hand up, I do not belive in giving a man a hand out

Yeah, so what?

I also don't take welfare, I also don't get food stamps, I don't receive public housing assistance, I'm not on the dole in any way.

That's not the argument I'm having.

If the government wants to spend money to help the poor, that's fine by me - it's when the government squanders the money on the rich, causing the economy to collapse, and then people are convinced they should blame the poor for the problems, that's my problem with your position. That's my problem with Fox Noise, and that's my problem with right wing radio.

It's amazing how old people believe anything thats said

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Almost as amazing as people that do not live here thinking they know better:

http://www.bluegrasspundit.com/2012/...st-debate.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...B zgkMxDxvx7N


http://current.com/groups/news-blog/...eks-debate.htm

so I work 80-90 hours a week... how much do I owe people that do not work? how many hours... already paying over 30% tax on my net and that doesn't include all the tax I pay on transactions..... what's your thinking?

BTW have you been offered welfare? have you lost everything and started over at 45? did you go to school? just wondering what kind of a guy you are...

and I agree with spending the money wisely HOWEVER giving money to a person that has never had a job won't get a job and demands a big screen TV... nope...

think they should drug test peeps on the 'dole'?

I'm still laughing. That was great.


That sums up an editorial I read somewhere fairly well... and it's funny as fuck...

Awesome chop...

:D

No, I don't think ANYONE should be drug tested - I believe in actual freedom.

Bottom line: if you?re a Fortune 500 company or a member of the wealthiest 1%, you?re getting welfare, and a hell of a lot of it.

If you?re one of the dreaded entitlement crowd ? which, if you include social security and Medicare, is the vast majority of the remaining 99% -- you?re getting chicken feed, and the Republicans want to take even this meager sustenance away.

Let?s run the numbers.

Corporate Subsidies: We spend $59 billion on social welfare programs, but more than $92 billion on corporate subsidies. According to the Environmental Law Institute, fossil fuel industries alone get more than $70 billion in subsidies, with most going to the oil and gas sector. Yeah, we certainly can?t afford to deprive Exxon of its record profits just to give money to needy kids.

Sheltering Off-Shore Profits: Corporations are given $58 billion a year in tax breaks for ?deferred? taxes for off shore profits. Yep. Sure want to encourage US companies to hide profits off-shore. Can you say ?job creators??

Capital gains: Rich folks make the majority of their money in the form of dividends and capital gains, which are taxed at only 15%. This allows them to avoid some $59 billion in taxes per year.

Carried interest: Hedge fund managers avoid at least $2.1 billion in taxes a year. This sweet deal ? not available to the ninety-nine percenters, by the way ? lets hedge fund managers and other selected fat cats take what amounts to ordinary wages and have them taxed as if they were capital gains. So instead of being taxed at 35% (39.5% if we eliminate Bush?s tax cuts for the rich) it?s taxed at 15%. Ayn Rand would be proud. Thomas Jefferson, not so much. This amount ? $2.1 billion ? is roughly equivalent to the entire budget for the Administration on Aging. Wouldn?t want to deprive millionaire and billionaire hedge fund managers of their windfall just to help a lot of old geezers.

Bank Bailouts: Then there?s the $700 billion bank bailout ? to rescue banks from problems they themselves created. Yes it got paid back; and yes, we had to do something. But the reason this money was little more than welfare was because the banks got to do what they wanted to with it. It could have come with strings ? we could have insisted that they write down mortgages to market value or allowed refinancing at lower interest rates or longer amortization periods. We could even have given the money directly to stressed homeowners, instead of the banksters who caused the problem. Any of these approaches would have prevented defaults, slowed ? or even reversed ? the precipitous declines in real estate values, and given low and middle income consumers some ability to consume, which, at the end of the day is the real ?job creator.? And we most certainly could have insisted that banks money loan out the money to small businesses and home buyers. (source)

This doesn't make sense to me. You were 100% disabled, unable to work, had no income, turned down all assistance.... Yet somehow created your own business? That's amazing. Can you tell me how you supported yourself while you had no income?

I am part of the forty-seven percent Romney has no interest in. I collected benefits from the government for seventeen years of my life. I also have a student loan from the government, and a VA loan for my first house.

Is that a hand up, or a hand out?

Obama wins .

I had a settlement from the lawsuit against paramount that allowed me to pay rent for a bit and find a client and start shooting... made $640 the first month did 60K my first year.

I decided to stop shooting in 2009. xmass 2009 I had an empty 2 bedroom apartment and $100. had to sell all my gear to buy food and drive models for the agencies...

some people are earners Richard, some aren't. doesn't matter what opportunities or hand outs you give them.

So someone handed you a pile of money and you had just enough common sense to open up a business. This doesn't make you an earner, it makes you lucky.

:helpme :disgust

if you didn't have money from a lawsuit, what would you of done?

You are 100% right: In 4 years Obama has not addressed any of that and it all has continued with no slowdown.

Dude...where did you get those numbers? You are WAY off.

I'm showing that the govt. spends FIVE HUNDRED BILLION a year. That's a half a trillion dollars a year on welfare.
And I just read a liberal guy crunching those numbers down to make them look better.
He squished it down to "only" 191 billion a year in actual money and services handed out to the poor.

And what would he have done if he hadn't had air to breath, or the sun shining?

What a ridiculous question.

Anybody on here who has actually busted their ass and made something for themselves is ridiculed. A definite sign of the time in our sorry ass society.