Romney's healthcare plan for MA is basically the cornerstone of Obama's healthcare plan. Obamacare was literally based off of Romney's healthcare plan in MA. This is fact. So your comments don't really add up, and this is also why you never hear Mitt talk about it. For the 2 days he ran around the campaign crying to repeal Obamacare, he also appeared as the biggest hypocrite of all time, which will be what Obama paints him as, just like what Ted Kennedy did. In Mitt's ideal world, there will be no discussion about healthcare tonight. :2 cents:

It is impossible to hate on Obamacare, and then praise Mitt Romney's healthcare plan in MA lol. Even the harshest of conservatives admit this.

You don't know that. Plenty of people out there get hurt and don't do shit. Plenty of people get money from settlements and end up blowing it all on things they want.

There is a BIG difference between him and a guy on welfare. The guy on welfare isn't working.

He could have kept his 20 grand and went on the govt. dole. He could've kept his 20 grand and got himself a job as an employee.

Fuck man...20 grand ain't shit anyway. It's less than the monthly salary I pay myself.

The difference between him and a guy on welfare is drive, intelligence, and ambition.

Sincerely glad you've come around :thumbsup:thumbsup

Romney has talked about healthcare. He said he will repeal and REPLACE ObamaCare.

As for hypocrites...there will be two of them onstage tonight. One of them is pandering to his base, but hasn't been the President for the last 4 years,

The other one is the President of the last 4 years who broke a ton of major campaign promises from last time.
Whether we are still supposed to believe that 4 years into his Presidency it's "all Bush's fault" or not, there are only two conclusions I can come up with:

1: After 4 years this is OBAMA'S economy and he is failing.

2. It's still BUSH'S economy and Obama doesn't know how to fix it.

More people in poverty NOW. More people on welfare NOW. More people on foodstamps NOW.

So baby jesus Obama turned out to NOT be the messiah. Romney isn't going to be any different.

How about taking a look at Gary Johnson? That's who I'm voting for. I registered as a Libertarian at the beginning of the week.
I'm sick of Republicans and Democrats.

We just keep doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. I got fooled by Obama and voted for him in 2008 thinking it was "hope and change" It turned out to be "more of the same"

I could vote for Gary Johnson, but I live in California so it won't matter, nor do I care much for politics except to look on as an observer. I'd be fine with either guy as president truth be told, because I think as a whole, we are fucked anyways. A president can't fix a slowdown in China, or the european debt crisis, which are ahead of domestic fiscal policy in why the economy sucks. Only fools think a president or singular man can fix a global economy. If we hadn't spent the last 20 years borrowing and spending, then that would be at our finger tips as a short term solution, but I guess we all see how well that did for us!

I just love it when people who care passionately about politics, spew out the regurgitated shit of campaign messages, without spotting the hypocrisy of the message, or the fact they don't even understand their own facts. :2 cents:

Another interesting tidbit, polling (for what its worth), shows that how it is going into debate season is usually is what it is coming out and time for the election. And if Romney doesn't win Ohio, he's not winning the election, and Ohio loves Obama's auto bailout.\

And regarding Obamacare and Romney, whatever Romney says, Obama will bring up that is was modelled after his own plan. This is fact, and one in which even the most ardent supporters of Romney who understand what they are talking about do not deny. If youre talking about Obamacare, you are talking about Mitt Romney's healthcare plan as the same. They are for the most part, the same. OOPS!

This drives me absolutely batshit crazy. People too fucking lazy to do their own fact-checking, which is incredibly easy to do nowadays. But hey, it's a hell of a lot easier to just regurgitate what some shill says instead of thinking things through themselves.

Anyone who takes just a little time will see that the dems/reps have been selling this country out to huge money interests for the last 30+ years.

That's what I always thought.

That if I didn't vote Republican or Democrat I "wasted my vote"

Guess what? I wasted it anyway. I voted for Bush and he won...but I still wasted my vote. I voted for Obama and he won...but I still wasted my vote.

I was looking at it like they were sports team and my "side" "won".

But it's not so. I "won" and the country still lost. And keeps losing while those thieves in Washington get richer and richer.

This time I'm not going to "waste" my vote. I'm going to vote for the right guy and for the right reasons. I'm not going to think of it like it's a football game anymore.
This will be my first vote that is NOT wasted. Isn't that what Democracy is supposed to be? Not voting for your "side" but voting for the person you think is the best person for the job.

Please !!!! Cut the BS...

Do I need to search for your thread not so long ago about your balances on your credit cards ????

I don't make/pay 20K a month ... I maybe do ( with my real estate investment - read rents ) 9-10 k a month ... but have 2 mortgages ...

On the other hand, on 30K of available credit , I have maybe 2000.00 on aingle card that are the current charges.

So again, quit the BS ...

Very well said, Robbie. The football game analogy is perfect.

That whole 'wasting your vote' line is just another trick to keep people locked into the two worthless party system. You're never wasting your vote if your voting your beliefs.

The people who are really wasting their votes are the vast majority who blindly vote dem or rep.

If enough people who were fed up with both parties voted for a third party candidate that candidate could get enough of the vote that they would be allowed into the debates and their party would get matching funds for future elections. They could start to build another party that, at the very least, would force the other two to be a little more accountable and if this third party were good enough it might be able to elect some people into different offices.

Search away brother. I have HUGE bills. How do you think I pay them? With the 25K a month I pay myself. Is that really a lot of money to you? I was making around 80 grand a month well into 2009 as piracy started destroying my income as an affiliate.

I currently have one platinum biz AMEX with $19,100 balance on it, one with $2700 balance on it (that one has to be paid in full at the end of each month, one Macy's Amex with $4300 balance on it, and then a bunch of other cards (Victoria Secrets Angel card, Old Navy card, Target card, etc.) with varying balances on them.

What does any of that have to do with this conversation? I don't need to "BS" anybody. Come to Vegas. I'll have you over to the house, show you my office, show you what I do here, show you my stats remote numbers, etc.

I don't have anything to hide. :)

Your, huge diffrence. The guy on welfare also doesn't have $20k in his pocket.

Why does the guy on Welfare need 20K? He didnt' get hurt badly. He's just not working.

You are stretching for this aren't you? If it's so goddamn easy to be successful...then WHY aren't all the people who get hurt and get settlements every year all running successful businesses because of their incredible "luck" at getting hurt?

And do people need 20k in their pocket to get off their ass and go to work? Nothing stopping the guy on welfare (considering that he is healthy) from doing SOMETHING other than collect welfare.

You can't seriously believe what you are saying do you?

I miss Bush.

Just out of curiosity what was your 2011 annual gross income from porn? Is your gross income from porn projected to be approximately the same...less or more...for 2012?

I live in the USA and I have not seen this "brilliance" you speak off. He is a total tool. We probably just get to see more of his tool-ishness then you do :)

I was told I could pull my social security retirement about 900-1200 a month food stamps etc... welfare in my mind. I think lawsuits are not considered income. after lawyers expenses and advance to survive on I got around 20k. the porcess went on for 2 years.

The Debate Begins...

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Debate is starting right now... can't wait to see Romney get his ass handed to him.

it's my shoulders. unable to perform the duties for my career. then when I was in training for computers I needed both elbows operated on, ulnar retractions.

it was EXTREMELY painful to shoot in fact I was shooting the day after an operation when was told specifically not too... the stitches popped open, a real mess. very very VERY painful. but Richard I had kid to take care off... right now I'm shooting with a torn bicep... that hurts like a mother fucker as well....

going to therapy few times a week trying to build the muscle around the tear so I don't need surgery... hurts so bad sometimes I can't sleep at night. no shit. right now I'm only working about 50 hours a week though.

I'd like to think you'd do whatever you needed to do to take care of your family... maybe not...

I shot for you guys before :)

I'm an earner. take it or leave it, doesn't change the facts. :2 cents:

thanks Robbie... group hug :1orglaugh

Richard in your position right now, lose EVERYTHING except 20K cash. no health ins, no retierment, no collage fund, not a fucking thing except 20k cash and an offer of 900-1200 a month and food stamps... what would you do? how long will your ship float on 20K?

you have this weird idea like 20K is a lot of cash, like winning the lotto for millons. get real, I pay WAY more than 20K per month on model fees

What a snoozer. Not sure why i bothered listening to these 2 corporate lackeys, but can i have the last hour and a half of my life back?

Biden / Ryan will be more interesting ....

This 1st debate gave nothing .:2 cents:

Did you watch the same debate I did?

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Around $2,000 a month less. :(

Which is a "victory" when I see the stats on my affiliate work...piracy has completely destroyed that end of my business. If it weren't for cams and dating I wouldn't have much affiliate money left anymore because I damn sure can't sell a paysite membership anymore to all these sites with their members areas available for free. :(

You can sure tell who wanted Obama to win it.

Obama looked weak in tonight's debate, no question.

So, I guess old people score again. Democrats were right, Romney kicked Obama's ass.

next time im in vegas i know where im coming to party :pimp

Very big win for mitt, if he didn't win tonight he was probably done. He won by dodging his own record, saying things that aren't true and not getting called on it by Obama. All sadly good traits for a modern politician, and horrible indicators of where our country is headed under either candidate.

Hey all you "A" point arguers... Hahaha The Global elites aren't about all that.
You're being HAD by the elite globalists no matter how many "A" points you spew.

Why don't you insist on the "THE Point". The Constitution :)

Romney wants the states to run it, that seems to be the big difference, less federal government.
I loved during the speech as Obama praised Reagan and Lincoln, both Republicans

And everytime I heard Obama ask Mitt, whats the plan? I remembered Pelosi saying, we'll find out what's in it after we vote for it

Didn't watch but sounds like on here, that really panned out?

Prince is clueless on American politics, which was displayed with that post.

no but some like yourself basically say that you're a loser piece of shit if you can't do it. i just thought it was funny that he said he did it with nothing but oh wait he had 20k capital to start up and keep him going in the meantime. something most people do not have. i've done it myself time and time again but i don't feel i am above those who tried and failed or those who prefer to work for someone else.

BINGO!!!!:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup





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Rubbish. You just need to give away longer videos.

So you were never 100% disabled. You were temporarily disabled. Then you went back to work.

My friend is 100% disabled. He has Hydrocephalus (commonly called "Water on the brain"). He has good days and bad days. On good days he functions like a normal adult. On bad days he's rushed to the ER because the pressure on his brain is so great he is unable to communicate no less respond. I went with him to most of the doctor visits and VA hearings about his medical condition; Originally he was considered 20% disabled, then 60%, then 80%, then 100%. And it was a ten year process to get to that point.

My wife hurt her shoulder at work also, and was disability for nearly a year. She had an operation, and received a nice healthy paycheck too. But it was a far cry from being 100% disabled. Being 100% disabled is something you NEVER recover from.

I'm glad you were able to recover. Hit me up on ICQ so we can chat.

Yep yep, Romney pretty much kicked his ass.

The truth is Obama promised a number of things four years ago, and has failed to deliver. However, that is the nature of politics - Politicians make big promises. And I honestly believe that each and every one of them try their best to keep their promises. Most fail.

One of the things that makes this so difficult is we are talking about important and complex; They cannot be solved in two minute sound bites. And I have yet to hear Romney's plan for anything.

I watched about 1/2 of it today on Youtube and agree, Romney was a much better lair than Obama was. Obama was a bit of a mess. Guess that's what happens when you're used to reading from a teleprompter and you're given prizes for doing nothing.

Damn, that was some fine predicting there.

You = psychic.



Say, can you tell me how my RSP's will do next year? (assuming there is a next year)

I'd say #psychicfail, even most dems say Obama lost. Hell even the dems on GFY say so.

I miss Clinton. The fun days of when the pres had to explain his drug use while fondling the help and playing the saxaphone, the USD stronger than ever.

You guys need another fun president.

My sarcasm too subtle for you today Lloyd? :D

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