Romney called for a structured bankruptcy for them. Which is what ended up happening anyway. :)

Doesn't mean a company goes out of business. It just means that exactly what happened anyway would have happened MINUS the huge amounts of govt. money.

Also, last night I was watching CNN's after debate coverage.
Anderson Cooper was doing the "fact checking".

We've heard from the Obama campaign over and over that Romney said: "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt".
I always thought that was a pretty shitty way for him to say it...insensitive to people who might lose their jobs.

Well, it turns out that Romney NEVER said those words!

He wrote an Op-Ed piece for the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/op...mney.html?_r=0

If you read the actual article he talks about the car companies having to restructure (which is what Obama forced them to do anyway).
He talks about the govt. needing to invest in research for new energy, fuel economy, etc..

The actual TITLE of the Op Ed is: "LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT"
But it turns out that is the title that was given to the piece by the editor of the New York Times. NOT Mitt Romney!

But the way the media reported it led me (and millions of other people) to believe that Mitt Romney had said that!

EDIT: Also notice that he wrote that on Nov. 18, 2008 while BUSH was still president and before Obama took office and did what he did. So Romney wasn't aiming at Obama, but at the entire idea of the Federal govt. declaring some companies too big to "fail". Of course...if GM had went through a restructuring when he was writing that piece instead of waiting several more months to do it AND spending tons of govt. money...it would have saved taxpayers a lot of money and kept the Feds out of Detroits affairs.

Remember..."Bankrupt" doesn't mean what we might think it means. When I hear the word "bankrupt" I think "shut down". But in legal terms it just means a way to restructure, get creditors off your back, and stay in business. Which is exactly what they did in the end.

Fact checking Robbie's usual pro-Romney post.
http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoram...154006392.html

Unemployment is goig down, it is a fact. Why Repubs. always follow: "the worse for the county the better for us" How patriotic.

Damn you're thick! Unemployment isn't going down, people are falling off the other end.

And where did you hear "the worse for the county the better for us?" Liberal news channel, not from them.

http://www.bartcop.com/govs-who-fail_7.jpg

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I changed my mind its not worth it

lol :1orglaugh

Listen to me very carefully... He was against the GM bailout.

Here is exactly what he wrote:

IF General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won?t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed.

Here's the full article that Mitt himself wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/op...mney.html?_r=3

And that's what we'll get with Mitt. That's what he does, his entire business history - Wait until the shit hits the fan, buy it cheap, and then pray he can fix it. He made bank doing it too, never mind the people that lost jobs or companies that no longer exist because of Romney.

On top of that, look at GM now. I just read this morning that GM had their most profitable year ever in 2011? And they paid all of the loan back? (Okay, most of the loan and some stock, which means the government make money here.)

Your on the wrong side of this. Your telling us we need to drill more, not invest in electric cars, and now your telling us we should have let one of the largest employers in the US go bankrupt before taking action. That's brilliant right there.

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Unemployment is not working... :upsidedow

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Gm announced they are hiring 10,000 more.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...insources_work
Computerworld - General Motors, which is insourcing the majority of its IT work, Friday said it is hiring 500 IT positions in Austin to staff a new "innovation center."

The announcement is part of far-reaching GM plan to hire as many as 10,000 IT workers worldwide over the next three to five years as the automaker takes work back from outsourcers, the company said.

Austin was picked to house one of several planned new centers because it "already has people with the skills GM is seeking," the company said. GM based that assertion on U.S. Labor Dept. data showing that employment in IT-related occupations at about 46,000 in the Austin area.

Alan Adler, a GM spokesman, said the company won't yet specify the number of centers it eventually hopes to open.

GM's IT reorganization is led by Randy Mott, a former CIO at Hewlett-Packard and Dell. Mott previously spent more than two decades at Wal-Mart in a number of IT roles, including CIO.

"We plan to rebalance the employment model over the next three years so that the majority of our IT work is done by GM employees focused on extending new capabilities that further enable our business," Mott said in a statement.

Mott's was named CIO of GM in February.

General Motors is posting a flurry of IT jobs on its Web site.

I never said don't invest in electric cars, can't you read?
Mitt does't want to bail out large companies that fuck themselves over, he isn't the only person against the bailout. And as for your numbers that GM paid back the money, sorry, kind of Laughable. Here's the numbers.

GM: repaid $23.1 billion of the $49.5 billion it got from the U.S. Treasury, including all of its outstanding loans. But Treasury still owns 500 million shares, or 32%, of GM stock. To recoup its full investment, GM stock needs to hit $52.80 per share. It?s currently trading around $21. GM also received a $106 million matching grant to build a battery factory in Brownstown, MI, where it is assembling battery packs for the Chevrolet Volt plug-in car using cells imported from Korea.

Chrysler: repaid $9.2 billion, fulfilling its debt obligations to the U.S. and Canadian governments, and is now owned by Italian automaker Fiat (58.5%) and a health care trust for UAW retirees (41.5%). Overall, taxpayers lost $1.3 billion on the Chrysler bailout. In full recovery mode, Chrysler is currently the fastest-growing carmaker in the world.

Ford: used its $5.9 billion loan to convert two truck plants to small-car production and to develop more fuel-efficient vehicles like the Ford Focus EV and C-Max Energi plug-in hybrid, on sale this fall. Loan repayments start in September. Ford says it will spend $14 billion over the next seven years on advanced-technology vehicles.

Nissan: received a $1.4 billion loan to build a battery plant and modify an existing car factory in Tennessee to produce the electric Nissan Leaf (currently imported from Japan). Production of battery packs begins at the end of September; Leaf production follows in December. Though it has sold only 14,000 Leafs in the U.S. since December 2010, the company hasn?t backed off its U.S. sales target of 150,000 Leafs per year. A spokesman says Nissan will start repaying its loan after U.S. production begins.

Tesla: used its $465 million loan to build a battery plant and retool part of a former Toyota-GM factory to build the Model S, its second electric car. So far, only 100 of the cars have been built, well shy of its 2012 goal of 5,000. But the company says it?s on track. Loan repayments start in December. Tesla, which went public in July 2010, hopes to break even by 2013.

Fisker: received only $193 million of its $529 million DOE loan because of missed milestones. Its first plug-in hybrid, the $100,000 Karma built in Finland, suffered quality problems. Its next model, the Nina, and a new factory in Delaware, are on hold while the company sorts out its problems and seeks alternative funding sources.

Vehicle Production Group: used a $50 million DOE loan to add a compressed natural gas version of its MV-1 handicapped accessible van. So far, 300 of the 2,100 vans produced at a plant in Indiana run on CNG. As fleet sales rise, the start-up company expects at least half to be natural gas vehicles. VPG began repaying its loan late last year.

Johnson Controls: the leading lead-acid battery maker for autos used a $300 million DOE grant to build an advanced-battery cell plant in Michigan, and is shifting work here from Europe. It predicted slow acceptance of EVs, and is instead supplying batteries for other fuel-saving technologies, like microhybrids, which shut down when the vehicle stops. The plan was for 680 jobs at full capacity. Today, it has fewer than 100.

A123 Systems: drew $129 million of a $249 million DOE grant to build two battery plants in Michigan. But demand didn?t materialize, resulting in unused capacity. Meanwhile, A123 is replacing early batteries that had quality issues. Its resulting financial distress attracted China?s Wangxiang Group, which agreed to invest up to $450 million for an 80 percent stake in the company. A123, which employs 1200 people in the U.S., says it will continue to manufacture batteries in America, focusing on other markets like grid storage and hybrid buses and trucks.

Dow Kokam: the joint venture between Dow Chemical, a Korean battery maker and a French engineering company used its $161 million DOE grant to build an advanced-battery factory in Michigan. It started production in June, with 120 employees. With EV demand slower than expected, it is targeting other customers like delivery fleets, the Defense Department and tug boat operators.

LG Power: U.S. subsidiary of Korean battery maker used its $151 million DOE grant to build a battery plant in Michigan to supply cells for the Chevrolet Volt and others. But with demand lower than expected, the plant, which has 200 employees, hasn?t yet started production.

EnerDel: drew $55 million of its $118 million DOE grant to expand battery production in Indiana. An investment in Think, a Norwegian EV customer, turned sour, and EnerDel?s publicly traded parent, Ener1, filed for bankruptcy in January. Co-founder Boris Zingarevich, a Russian timber tycoon with ties to the Russian government, took control by investing another $86 million. That set off alarm bells in Washington because EnerDel?s batteries are used in some military applications. After exiting bankruptcy in March, EnerDel installed new management and moved its headquarters to Indiana. It currently supplies battery packs for the Volvo C30 electric car but is shifting its focus to making batteries for mass transit, grid storage and industrial uses.


Doesn't look like all these investments in other countries are going to have much effect on US job growth?

How did you "fact check" me?

1st...that is a blog. 2nd, it says exactly what I said.

I can read. You said you don't want to invest in electric cars.

You really said you don't want the government investing into private companies making electric cars. And I say hogwash. The private sector has been unable to create a viable electric, battery powered car to market and have it be a financial success. Toyota isn't able to do it; GM isn't able to do it with all of help and subsidies from the government. All of the wonderful technology we have had huge help from the US Government - computers, the Internet, cell phones, GPS, etc etc etc... The US government had computes in the 1940s yet I didn't have my first desktop at home until 1995. We can either wait another forty years, or we can have the government invest some money into it.

As for your cut and paste from some pro Republican site about all of the bad investments.... Well, of course there were some bad investments. No? Was there any bad investments under Bush? What would you like to start with - Frannie May, Frannie MAC, AIG, TARP? That's just off the top of my head. Who else did Bush invest our tax dollars in?

Would Romney do anything differently? This is exactly what Romney has done his entire life - borrow money from other people, invest it into risky enterprises, collect a management fee, and then walk away before it crashes and burns. The only difference is this money he'll be blowing will be our tax dollars, instead of collecting a management fee we'll be paying interest, and when 30% of his investments fail we'll be stuck holding the cost. Win win win!

GREAT cartoon! :thumbsup

No. Unemployment is going down. It's a good thing.

Where? I never said that!

I call BULLSHIT

I even said lets invest in an electric car that can be sold for $20k. My bitch is about the government wasting money, 1.8 million per car so far that most people can't afford, even with tax rebates on top of that.