Beats me. LOL.

Quoted for truth.

Could you get Claudia to do something like this, it's a lot harder to pirate :2 cents:

StrugglingBabes.com

Oct: 1/341
Sept: 1/298
Aug: 1:325
Jul: 1:442
Jun: 1:402
May: 1:349
Apr: 1:295
March: 1:225
Feb: 1:695
Jan: 1:413

Only February sucked!

These are affiliate ratios and if i`m right even without the rebills!

1000+ daily traffic
Processed by Epoch!

Yeeeeeeeep... and another sign up coming in:)

We keep her stuff under control somewhat as far as piracy goes.

But it doesn't keep us from being affected by everybody else's content being out there for free. Takes away a lot of money that used to come in off of "impulse buying". Once they've already jerked off to free porn, they no longer have that "need" to reach into their wallet and buy a paysite membership. :(

Remember in the heydey of tgp/mgp when people would complain about free content, especially the galleries or clips that contained cumshots...

Did people then somehow stop jerking off and decide to get a membership so they could go in and splooge as a full member?

Just asking...

Why are you asking? You were around. You remember how much money was being made.

I was making 7 figures a year as an affiliate with my TGP's.
I did something right.

And I was but one of many big affiliates. How many big affiliate like that are left today (pushing paysites...not dating and cams)? Not a handful, if that many.

How often do you change / tweak your tours?

Interesting that you have the two different domains to test with, be interesting to see how much you can change the type in tour.

A little OT however still about paysites.

What power words do people find work the best on tours for selling? ie discover / guarantee etc - what works best on tours? What single words and combos?

The overall look of the tour hasn't changed in about a year and a half. But since it's a "dynamic" tour (the tour content changes with each update in the members area) it actually changes constantly.

Sorry should have said that actual look.

What about join pages ? Do you experiment with them?

To some degree I did a few years ago. But haven't since the tour design changed (that's when I changed the join page as well)

I'm always open to listening to ideas. :)

I do well below 1:500 on organic traffic. Full price memberships. Not sure where you get your nonsense from.

The funny (or sad) thing is when i invited a few people to promote my site nobody ever sent a hit. Because it looks different then they are used to.
With the right traffic it's one of the best in its niche.
Ah well, their lose. I'll keep the signups myself, np.

My ratios for most sponsors worsened 3-5 times since 2006. Did you do 3-5 times better in terms of rations in 2006?

This site is 5 years old i think. Ratios pretty much stayed the same.

With the rebills included i average about 65 dollars per member.

I'm averaging between 8-10K/day. Google AdWords gave me a nice boost.

I also have 5 year old sites and ratios worsened 3-5 times. Your ratios stayed the same. While all people claim their ratios are not as good as 5 years ago you claim your ratios are the same. This is one lucky exception to the rule.. :2 cents:

Not to get off topic but this subjects pisses me off. I wouldn't have said anything but I just got contacted by yet another thief asking me when a certain girl will be up on Gloryhole Swallow. He says he loves all her videos but has never been a member.

These assholes are so far into theft that they don't see anything wrong with contacted the producer to ask when they are dishing up the next load of free porn.

Ok, rant over and back on topic. I can only imagine what my ratios would be without all the theft.

Has nothing to do with luck.

Hitting you up, we need to talk! :thumbsup

It has, because LESS percentage of people coming to your site buy memberships now than 5 years ago. That is a FACT.

Unless you improved your site or quality of visitors. But that would not be the point, in that case that means if you did those improvements 5 years ago your ratio would have been better 5 years ago as well.

How do you get to this info?

This is just a wild guess but "Sales Per Click" report?

Yeah I overlooked it at first, Weird thing is that it's not giving correct specs and my screen shows a lot more info than his is showing. says over all is around 1/200 but the sales for the month etc. are not correct, So I'm going to guess that number is wrong too.

Yeah, I wasn't really looking for another endorsement of how great things were for you back then. I don't think that is lost on anyone at this point. ;-)

What I am saying is:

1. You must have posted a ton of FREE porn to be making that much on TGP. You must also remember that those sites started to REQUIRE money shots etc. if you even wanted your gallery to post and webmasters complained then the same way they do now that is would "kill" the industry. So, either you played a 7 figure a year part in helping kill the industry then or you didn't, can't be both. Oh... hold on... the industry didn't "die" then either did it?

2. My hunch is people jerked off to your galleries and they either bought a membership or didn't but I bet only rarely does one really stop mid-masturbation to suddenly buy a membership... and if he did then he would probably still do the same thing watching a tube clip. People bought because they saw what they liked and wanted more without the problems of surfing the free stuff, and/or they wanted to get the "VIP" treatment that would go with buying a membership. That is what data said to us any way.

3. If you are such an expert from your tgp days of determining surfer behaviors then I would figure that staying competitive today would be less daunting. That is just my opinion though.

4. The people that aren't around are not around for one of two reasons. Either they lived like rock stars and lost track of actually working to make money and lost out, burned and ran, or did drugs until they couldn't see straight enough to post a gallery or they were so successful that they went on to bigger and better things.

At this point, I'd like to reflect on one prominent name that pops up when i think of TGPs and making a fortune.

quiet, rest in peace.

OK carry on. Robbie, Far-L delivered a stinging blow and we'd like to hear your view.

not sure if you remember but most galleries had chopped up video segments of like 3-4 parts and rarely ever over 20-30secs or even 60secs

if you ask me that is annoying as fuck to rub one out to

not at all even close as to how it is today with one click you can see a full video

We were AL4A and Ampland

I not only put up galleries, but I did a million little things to entertain surfers...lots of humor, etc. on Ampland.

The galleries I put up came straight from the content producers. I didn't personally put up ANY free porn. I didn't own a paysite at that time.
Nope, I put up links to the hosted galleries that the paysite owners gave me to post up.

They made the choice of how much and what they wanted to show. I NEVER asked them for money shots or anything else. My tgp's were categorized. So I had a cumshot page for paysite owners who chose to put in cumshots. I also had a "babe" page for softcore. And a page for most niches.

Far-L hasn't delivered a "stinging blow" to me. He's theorizing from the paysite owner side of what he thinks went on with my business between 1996 and 2006.
He's wrong.

We made great sales and a lot of money for a lot of people in this business. And as was said by stever, the hosted galleries contained mostly pics...but the video ones that came out in later years (early 2000's) only had maybe four 10 second clips on them.

And again...those were all chosen and put out by the content owners. Not full scenes stolen and put out without their consent.

Comparing the millions of dollars we made with our partners (paysites) every year to the theft and devaluation of paysites that is caused by piracy is one of the most ignorant arguments that can ever be made.

Ok thanks for explaining my business to me. Idiot.

Your facts are wrong and you should stfu about things you don't know about.

nice stats but most nats stats do not count type in hits
only type in sales

so this number is often misleading unless you are tracking type in hits some other way in there?

I was trying to be polite, but ok - I can straight up tell you that you are lying. Conversions are not the same as they were 5 years ago (given that you did not improve site, did not improve traffic sources etc etc of course). You claim otherwise and you are lying.
Unless your site is so special that these people can not rub it out elsewhere to same or similar content. Or you have magic join links.

Would you agree that people did jerk off to those clips? Apparently so because you already just admitted that you did. So you are saying that you finished up and instead of having a smile from jerking off and going on with your business like every other time you jerked off you were like "fucking can't believe I just fucking jerked off to some shitty 20 second clip".

No, trust me, you weren't. Just like I don't look back on the bra ads in the Sears Catalog with anything but fondness. :winkwink:

You're so fucking clueless.

I suggest you stfu because you sound like a fucking clown.

And no, i'm not polite to people who call me a liar.

Been like this for a while now. They are the *norm* when it comes to surfers in 2012.

my point was most people need and want more than a few cut up 20sec teaser clips to jerk off

and they want to watch stuff they like conviniently so they were more forced to buy since tgps were not as convinient as tubes are today, some tubes today are even more convinient than paysites for surfers and this plays into the equation greatly

Homegrown Video, still making members happy
 

Thanks, I knew you weren't going to take it personally.

Ok... if you are trying to tell me that content wasn't pirated then apparently you forgot about a few major programs of that period that were FOUNDED on 100% stolen content. Let's C if I can remember - C, I remember that most of them began with a C but maybe you remember... in fact... I think you might be still promoting some of them just like the good ol' ampland/al4a days. Talk to some of the folks from Matrix, IGallery, etc. I know people that have formed profitable business models just going after content that was infringed then.

Jerking off is jerking off. People will do it to a picture of a frigging tree with a knot shaped like a pussy if they have to deal with a moment of unrelenting horniness, pure and simple. Tastes change perhaps but the appetite remains the same and another thing remains the same... people will always pay for a perceived value incentive especially if it is a matter of personal luxury. A bottle of water, a cable package subscription, a gym, a porn site, all of them can charge despite there being plenty of FREE alternatives available.

I can easily convert paysites at 1:100 to 1:200...

I know how to convert them, and exactly what it takes to make it work.

My only problem is that I can't have my own paysites... Im in the process of finding a way to get a processor... but ccbill only allows some countries... I have content, design, host, everything.. just need to find a Western Europe or USA address to process with ccbill...

BTW, I usually see paysite owners could do a lot more to convert, they have everything, content, ccbill, design... but they have no idea how much else they could do to convert..

Give me a FETISH paysite and I'm confident I could drive double the signups they have now.. Of course I must be part of it.. and not a simple affiliate.

Periodo.

Why are you limiting yourself to ccbill?

What I saw in real life was that people who jerked off to a 10 second video clip (that was generally 250pixels wide (tiny) and super shitty quality) back when TGP's ruled the world....were either teenage boys or people without credit cards.

But you should know that already from owning a site and seeing what your sales are and where they come from and how people react to different marketing.

There is a huge difference between you picking and choosing what content and how much of it will be used for marketing (and making those decisions based on stats in front of you along with feedback from your surfers) VS having your members area pirated and posted up on tubes and bit torrent sites while you hope somebody will type in your watermark (that is when your watermark is still on it).

I don't consider "hope" much of a business model personally.