100 sales at 1:500!!!

You want STATS but you want no qualitative data?
Numbers without meaning are meaningless....

I mean really I can screen cap accounts that do less than 1:10

As for programs showing you ratios, think about it.. what's the ratio on a cross sale??
1:0

If they have rouge mailers what's the ratio on that?
google ad buys ??? ratios should be low...
niche sites with niche traffic ratios vs. general sites with general traffic...
1 webmaster sending blind traffic can kill over all ratios.
Direct to tour P1 vs P2 vs perjoin vs direct to join

How much traffic are we talking about and how many joins?

I mean a company doing 1:100
doing 10 sales a day
buying 4 cross sales 1:0
and getting 3 sales a day from a highly niched google ad buy 1:50
and getting 1 sale a day from a mailer doing 1:150
and getting 1 sale a day from a members area 1 click 1:200

is really doing 1:680

Axel great post, I'm sure you could teach us a ton!

PAR you're so right, a site doing 1:500 with no trial might convert at 1:200 with a $1 trial, and then how does that site rebill? Are there xsells etc. etc.

I just did payouts and I noticed an affiliate getting a decent size payout ($515) via paxum and didn't recall his affiliate ID. I looked into his account because I figured it was fraud or a glitch in the matrix and saw no traffic all year except there was 1 rebill each month. Long story short he sent 1 sale almost 3 years ago, he sent a total of 3500ish hits, I guess 1:3500 was shit and he stopped promoting... turns out the ratio is meaningless when he's made over $500 and counting off that one join.

If only all members stuck around that long!

Some great posts in this thread!

I do agree some parameters need to be set when discussing "ratios". Many factors exist (as has been pointed out here by more knowledgeable and seasoned minds than mine).

But my feeling is that while many factors do indeed exist for traffic/ratios, a webmaster or program who's been around for awhile will have "whittled down" what works for them and what doesn't. So, in the end, whatever sources they've stuck with, does it end up being 1:500 or better?

I ask this also because what if ratios are really 1:1000 or higher? How high can ratios go (or how far can they dip) before a program or affiliate says "fuck it" and moves on to selling shoes?


www.ersoextoica.com and about six others in my network regularly convert at 1:500 or better, with both tube traffic and banner buys. We should talk. :)



You're already an affiliate of PeabodyCash Robbie! You should be adding our tube clips ASAP to make $. My tours and banners are specifically designed for tube traffic so let's discuss. :)

If traffic is converting at 1:20,000 a site 60,000 hits a day
that is static or auto update, cost $100 a year in its % of the hosting + domain name cost
making you a PPS of $35 ($115 a day)

Some would leave it as is and focus on projects sites that are a higher cost to run/manage.
And maybe come back to it later.
Depends on the Cost to leave it as is vs the cost to change it.

Also depends on the site
auto rss fee blogs using a ton of feed, tube sites with sponsored banner under the video, tgp,mgp,review sites and other traffic/sites that are not monetized mush past the premium ad spots would leave thinks up (some even to dead programs).

As for programs many have sites that convert at 1:100000000000000 *ok maybe not that bad.* But the sites are not their focus and they just stop putting time and money into them.

So really this only applies to sites that people are putting time and money into and to the ad spots that they think are worth putting energy into.

At that point its not so much a ratio thing but a ROI thing on the time and money you are putting in vs the money you get out of it. Ratios play a part but it is wrong to only look at a ratio if you are not looking at the long/short term $

Ok for conversion, but the rebillings stats?
Some sites got so high % of rebillings that the rebillings it is bigger money than new conversions - or vice-versa some sites hardly get any rebilling. This should be considered too.

For sake of the pissing contest have 2 currently under 1:500, ALL traffic.

LadyboyGold - 1:370
iLoveThaiPussy - 1:494


Last 30 Days / First page uniques / Full joins / No trials / Includes type-ins / Well over 1000 uniques a day. Even with those "great" ratios if those sites didn't rebill well they would not be profitable enough to continue.


Agree with those posted overall $$$ is the most important thing; not $$$ per click or an arbitrary ratio. Weighing how something REALLY sells and how sticky it is to your surfers. For example if you have something on your site that is clicked ALOT more than something else, but might not have the best ratio is better than something clicked less with a better ratios. The product that created more action, with more sales in that spot is what's making you more $$$. Then how well the site is at keeping customers (on revshare).


Without sounding like a dick general ratios are useless. Individual sites have too many variables within their own site types to compare. Without knowing the true quality of your traffic and your surfing customer base. A better ratio might mean that program just has their shit together with in-house traffic buys. They've been better at obtaining quality traffic like that from established review sites, mailing and members area traffic and direct keyword buys. They have a higher percentage of affiliates that are actual salesmen and know the product, and filter their traffic accordingly. Or a combination of any of those things which would skew ratios one way or another.


And all this assumes all programs count traffic the exact same way. Which is far from reality. Know your traffic; LOOK at the sites you sell. See the members areas. Know if it's a good product or not to present to your customers. If so, use your salesmanship to SELL it to your customers. Don't slap up a bunch of shit sites / content and hope something sticks. Sell better :)

Let's just end this whole thing right here...

I AM THE ULTIMATE BALLER!

The proof: I'm almost certain, that maybe, I might make more money than Paul Markham does. (maybe)

I WIN!!!!!!!!

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Good i'm Glad my reply wasnt attack and even more happy that others share the same vision

My point was simple : ratios are just ratios, they dont mean nothing without explanation...

for sure on our best programs if I push Usa traffic to a niche that fit well the source, well yes i will be under 1 : 500



True, we did'nt yet and I will try to include that one day in upcoming tests..

Ill do something, ill test all people that tell me that I will do 1 : 500 and under with them But, I'ill post the results one day :) for the best and the worst !!!

One more thing, if someone is so sure, that he convert 1 :500 on a good T1 traffic, well if the payout is lets say 35$, well prepay me some sign up for 10 000 hits.. ill be fine with 30$ , keep the extra 5$ :winkwink:

Exactly no easy money


:thumbsup Congrats, What are you winning again ?

That exactly why i did a post in this topic,, and explain how i see ratio with a classic media buy, a ratio without any parameters means nothing at all

Thanks Kenny, i love numbers and stats , i dont have the chance to see that much chicks, so i need to find my numbers sexy :1orglaugh

Yes again, many factors will influence, i dont expect to do the same ratio with Usa than Pakistan, give me 1 : 3000 in Pakistan and ill be very happy.

If you buy the traffic, for sure cant be too lazy and patient with bad converting programs

Good point. The payout MATTERS. Many HIGH PPS offer tends to have bad ratio... nobody can give 200$ PPS is the sign up are too easy
But stillm a 200$ PPS with a 1 : 2000 ratio is better then a 30$ pps at 1 :500 (on the same source and equal CTR)

Good point again, and yes the CTR matters (and the epc, ecpm)

On a CPM campaign, i will try to get more click as possible ( but the still have to be relevant) because i dont want to burn traffic and want to maximise my impressions

And if i put have a high CTR banner vs a low ctr banner, i have good chance to do more money with the high one (not always tho) but the ratios will not look good has the low ctr... so ratios doesnt matters, its earning per impressions at the end

On a CPC campaign, i will try to have higher quality click, more relevant, and i will not use the same kind of banner as cpm campaign. If i put high CTR banner just to drag clicks but the LP is not similar to the banner, i will again burn traffic and again its the earning per clicks that does matter :)


PS : watch out, some sponsors count ratio differently, they count further in the conversions processus to make look them better, i will not tell names, do your homeworks and find a way to double check the stats on your side

when you say includes type ins are you counting type in hits or only type in sales?
because most nats programs do not count type in hits by default but they do count type in sales into overall ratios

Excellent sites, content and a great long term business strategy. Thanks for being a valued NETbilling merchant for so many years.

I did 1:188 with my own site yesterday. No tricks, no filtering of traffic. Just organic traffic.

Edit: And some (forced) traffic from low traffic blogs.

Right, type in sales with no traffic which makes the numbers look better. Which is why I added that detail to make it as transparent as possible. Most our traffic is from affiliates but those type ins each day make a difference in improving the appearance of stats (and the bottom line).

Also why mentioned earlier for people to not be hung up on ratios. Instead for them try and analyze what is really making the most overall money and creating surfer interest in their spots.

I agree. It depends on where your traffic comes from. tacamateurs.com gets over 100,000 uniques a day and is ranked by Alexa at around 38k but a good chunk of that will be TGP or even popup traffic which is crap.

Either way our affiliate programme does around $25k a month and well over half of that is through rebills

Hey Axel, I'll put my money where my mouth is and take you up on this offer. If you have truly targeted pregnant traffic let's give it a try on PregnantKristi.com and then with piss traffic on PissWhoreTraining.com :thumbsup

Hit me up on ICQ or Skype to hammer out the details

Averaging 1:220 on site in my signature. If you have granny/mature/milf traffic don't look any farther. Check out other MILF sites in their network.

Amazing how every program out there does 1:200 while every affiliate of those programs out there does about 1:2000.
Something must be wrong somewhere...

Well, why it takes me 300 lines of text and you only 1 lines to explain that ;)

StrugglingBabes.com

Oct: 1/341
Sept: 1/298
Aug: 1:325
Jul: 1:442
Jun: 1:402
May: 1:349
Apr: 1:295
March: 1:225
Feb: 1:695
Jan: 1:413

Only February sucked!

These are the average affiliate ratios (so the average of all affiliates... some do 1:1000, others do 1:26)... These ratios do not include the rebills...

Sorry... can`t make it any worse... the numbers are the numbers (epoch-stats)

added to my list :thumbsup

It's called an average. Some affiliates have review sites and they covert like members area traffic. And some affiliates send members area traffic too.

We have affiliates converting very well with members area traffic. Some in the low 20's and sending sales every day

Combine this with other affs converting 1:2000.

Yes. Their traffic sucks cock in hell.. :mad::1orglaugh

Now the next question is: if your site is converting at 1:500 or better where/how do you get your traffic?

SEO
Type-Ins
Ad Spots
AdWords
Affiliates
Tubes
Social Networks

-By far the largest amount of traffic: affiliates
-Type-in: More then 500 visitors per day come directly to the site.
(I guess they liked the content so much that it`s worth to remember my url.
Also... the percentage of people that come back after a period of time to sign up again
is high. When i realized that i knew i was on the right track regarding the content. That`s the biggest compliment for me!)
-Link-exchanges with sites that have similar content.
-SEO-traffic... not much, but the traffic that does come from it fits very well i think.
Not much but rather have a few seo-visitors that match then a lot on stupid searchterms that doesn`t fit the content of the site.

I don`t buy traffic... did it a few years ago... complete bullshit, complete useless. I`m in a niche of a niche... very specific traffic needed.

It`s too bad that a lot of affiliates here don`t want to try my epoch-affiliate-program because it`s epoch and not ccbill. They don`t want to have money sitting in an epoch-account. I have affiliates that reach the minimum pay out amount everytime. Of course it depends on the amount of traffic and the quality of it. But if you have both i would say: give it a try!

AmateurLapdancer.com fits for all :thumbsup
It converts better than 1:500
Traffic is over 1000 hits daily
Billers: Verotel and CCBill

Isn't that a question best asked the expert?


Paul Markham.

Do you wanna bet gay-traffic doe not fit your site:)

Yeah that's truth :1orglaugh but I answered for the first post of this thread :winkwink:

Well, after reading this thread in now know it's 2003 all over again.

Ya Look-a-like :upsidedow

Love your site... just a note, your ratios would probably be even better if you linked http://strugglingbabes.com/ to http://www.strugglingbabes.com/ all I see is a ip without the www.

Hey there
I agree that ratios by themselves are not the only KPI to rely on.
As a starting point, though, here's a conversions screenshot for our top sites last month (October).

http://i48.tinypic.com/2nqup82.png

There are no tricks, no hyper-targeted traffic (rather the opposite), no quirks of any other kind. Ratios above are just for affiliate traffic, frontpage to sale. Obviously, if we include SEO, typeins, etc, conversions are even better.

We are pretty much new kids on the block here, but we are hungry and (judging from what I hear in threads like this) we must be doing something right.

Our top priority in the next 12 months is to increase the traffic by at least 1 order of magnitude. To achieve this, we are ready to hear proposals.

If anyone is ready to do business, I am here to listen, and open to discuss any option. Hit me up and let's make some money together.

Sorry to hear some bigshots can`t do the 1:500...
Please don`t take a shit on small guys that do...

Well... actually... the only thing i said was that my average affiliate ratios are better then 1:500 (except februari)

Epochstats doesn`t lie

One of my affiliates posts all his ratios every month (of course you can sign up for my program via him...): Struggle4Bucks ratio example

Sorry... can`t make it look shitty... please don`t hate me for it:upsidedow

Hmmm... again... why does that issue comes back?

Thanks for letting me know...

Thanks:thumbsup

Everything is possible and npbody will hate you :) ...maybe its just that for us , the way we do it, its not that easy to get these kind of ratios

I mean by that, buying huge amount of traffic (few millions of $$ per month) and do mass convertions..

Im pretty sure the ratios will look different if i send every day 1-5m hits per day on one product like we do now ;)

Also, you dont always know how your affiliates are sending traffic, and maybe they filtered a lot of countries ?

Like i said, id if push only USA, yes i can do mass volume and be under 1 : 50

Ok I understand... that`s a lot of traffic:-) i don`t buy traffic and i don`t know where the affiliates get their traffic from... some do better then others... i think if i would buy traffic the ratios would drop instantly... Alexa says that almost 80% of my visitors come from the US. Analytics backs that up...

I started in 2009/2010... traffic growth was very slow... first exchanging links, etc... then getting some affiliates... i think all my traffic comes from niche related sites (same or similar niche). That`s good... I think my traffic amount is relatively low but the quality is good so most visitors are potential customers. The only thing i have to do is make the best content possible and make it look as nice as possible.

I doubt that very seriously.

You do realize that everyone in the U.S. knows how to go find all your stuff for free on tubes and torrents right?

Maybe in 2000 you could have done 1:50 with U.S. traffic. But not now.

I think you guys have great sites and probably do a lot better than most programs...but not 1:50

That exactly what im trying to explain vs Ratios in this topic,,, what kind of traffic is usem the volume etc,, will influence the ratio...

The average USA traffic will be 25-30% of total of all spot combined, so give me a spot with 80% us and i will have very good ratios
hehe, We are the best and we convert crazy :error

My mistake, I meant 1 : 500 , not 1 : 50 :upsidedow

That will ruin all the theory ive explained here !

Average signup ratio on our site OurXXXLife.com, taken right from NATS, for all of 2012 is 1:352.

This is not just in-house traffic. These are numbers related to everything! In-house, affiliate, SEO, adword, TGP.. you name it!

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Time to improve the filtering to get a better focus....

Who here is doing 1:500 (or 1:529 even... :winkwink:) with traffic that includes traffic sourced from either a major tube, like PH, RT, YP, XH, or any of the others, and/or broker traffic that is doing over 20,000 uniques per day. Go ahead and still include in the average all the high conversion traffic like SEO, trades, review sites, etc..


And just for shits and giggles...

Does anyone care to share any marketing tips or tricks? It might be well documented and obvious to some or not typically considered and a revelation to others, but the act of sharing it proves that you are not only confident enough in your own success to "share the secret", or secure at least in the knowledge that it would be a hard act to follow, but also generous enough to give back to those that once were in your same shoes wondering "how do I become successful too?"

So to put my money where my text is... We also use offline techniques to drive in qualified leads. For example, although people say "DVD is dead" we are still able to drive in web customers with solidly branded ads on DVD. Even print ads in magazines can be productive, and I am told satellite radio as well although we haven't personally tested that yet. The point is you can still find web customers off the web too. Seems obvious but many people lose sight of this because their focus is primarily web oriented.

Yeah, I was thinking you had gone insane. lol

1:50 (or even better) is possible. Depends what you sell... :1orglaugh

Forgot our latest "non-asian" addition:winkwink:

....which is selling ridiculously so far:




Seriously----if you're in Asian or Black/Latina/Ethnic and your not one of our affiliates, you're truly missing out on some of the most original and best-converting sites available today.

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True! Yes!

Still blown away by this. Haven't seen these kinds of numbers since 2002 heh

I don't have a paysite, it's an affiliate site, and not getting 1,000 hits a day but my conversion ratio last month was 1:6 with a 12 month average of 1:19. It's for sale btw :-)

With screenshots:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1087947

Ok let me ask it this way. Is there any program out there that does worse than 1:500?

Seriously, this thread is the most stupid/hilarious thread i've seen in a long time.

I can guarantee you that once i start sending decent, clicked traffic to 9 out of 10 programs listed here who all do 1:300 that ratio suddenly drops to 1:2000 or worse.

This turned into a ridiculous spam fest full of bullshit right after the first post.
And the sad part is tons of people will fall for it.