Sounds like you are making the best out of a terrible situation. I hope that things get back to normal for you as quickly as possible.

So presumably you will be voting johnson. So will I. It's an intentionally wasted vote.

But, you are writing like "obama bad, romney good" - there is no way to tell you are not pro-romney from your writing.

The fact that you imply that romney would not spend, tax, then spend more makes absolutely no sense at all.

There's not a cunthairs difference between romney and obama, except that obama is promising to tax the rich, and romney is promising to tax the middle class. On everything else they are close to identical.

Again, that is why you will almost certainly lose.

Yea I'm sure businessmen will let their money devaluate while passing by business opportunities.

No they won't...they will continue to do what they are doing now. Investing it in the stock market. Investing in precious metals. There are a lot of places to put cash these days.

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I am pro-Romney. Just not pro-republican. There is that one little difference between the two. Obama is promising to raise taxes on job creators. Romney is not promising to raise taxes on anyone.

As far as Romney's religeon and stance on social talking points. I don't see anything changing in womens issues. And I am not going to start going to church on Sunday.

Romney is a businessman. With the economy as anemic as it's been, it's time for someone that knows what a balance sheet should look like to have a go at it.

Could you imagine President Biden..

That's as laughable as President Palin.

Would be funny .. a bit like the W years .... All late night comedians dream come true ....:)

So, tell me - are you intentionally lying?

You dont sound like a fool, you know that the romney-ryan tax plan has been analyzed to death by experts all over the country and the world, and everyone says it raises taxes. It's just deceptive to claim that it doesn't because the tax increase is called the removal of middle class and small business deductions for mortgage interest and health insurance.

People will still have to pay thousands more in taxes every year. AND, to top it off, it will instantly depress housing prices by another 10-15 percent, which is an additional hidden tax.

See, this is why you will lose - you think the voters respond to threats, and are too stupid to see that a tax increase is a tax increase because it's called a removal of deductions.

The question then is, are you serious? Do you really not know these things, and are therefore a fool (or intentionally ignorant for self-benefit)? Or do you know these things, and are intentionally trying to cover up the planned romney tax increase because you think it will benefit you, or hurt you less than other people?

And, lets say romney is lying about his tax plan, and he really doesn't raise taxes (despite the fact that every business analysis I have read for months says no matter what after the election taxes are going up) - what then? We are still stuck with 30 years of deficit spending and debt.

We borrowed that money, we have to pay it back. It's childish to keep saying, "I'm republican, I don't want to pay back the money I borrowed and I dont think I should have to pay taxes to pay my share.".

Doesn't making one guy run against a guy that almost everyone hates make the other guy win. Is this thing even legitimate?

All your statements are predicated on the belief that the ecomony will not recover.

Under Obama, CEO's of the largest companies in the US agree with you.

http://jobcreatorsalliance.org/

I will put my faith into people that have done significant things. Not in people that report or teach about significant things.

I do too, but I worry much more about the people lacking the resources and coping skills to deal with the obstacles. It really was quite a storm.

One thing I will say is that Bloomberg, Christie, or Cuomo would be MUCH better choices than either Romney or Obama. I'd have voted Bloomberg before the storm, but Christie and Cuomo have really done a lot to prove themselves in the past week. If they want to get reelected I'd expect 80-90% of the people in their jurisdictions would vote for them regardless of party affiliations. Zero nonsense, surprising efficiency and absolutely no political gamesmanship. I'm almost starting to hope for a large national storm to do the same thing on a federal level.

Er.. He's trying to lower the corporate tax rate from 35% to 28% and has given many small business tax breaks. Liberals are screaming that he's just a Republican in Democrat's clothes.

I'm looking to invest in the US in the next 12 months (business and property), and honestly, I'm more worried about the money with Romney's plan. With Obama I see another 4 or so years of roughly the same trajectory, glacially slow improvements, nothing great, a marginally better result at the end, but some stability. With Romney I see middle class buying power eroding and reducing demand but lots of speculative opportunities on the market with the tax rates being lowered, especially on cap gains. It might be an ok initial ride but is likely to implode faster with more speculation and less demand in the "real" economy.

The Economist recently endorsed Obama too (somewhat reluctantly).

As a "job creator" I also recognise the jobs I've offshored and that personally, more tax cuts means more speculative trading, not more local jobs.

The Rethugs don't like this - so they call Nate Silver gay. :1orglaugh
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/10...r-seeming-gay/

Obama 2012.

Jesus. That "job creator" bullshit again? The real "job creators" are middle class consumers - the engine of our economy. And President Obama has CUT taxes on the middle class. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...e-class-famil/

That's exactly the kind of sugary promise Americans love - and then bitch about when it doesn't happen. He has you believing he's going to cut taxes on everyone - AND increase military spending - AND reduce the deficit? By closing loopholes? The ones he won't reveal? Mitt's math wouldn't fool a child.


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Obama 2012.

This is exactly why I hate Republicans. They put out statements like this. Being a homo-phobe is one thing, but Dean Chambers is also displaying his 2nd grade intellect.

Wrong. There's a big difference in what each would do with the taxes. Mittens said he wants to increase the size of the military, while Obama wants to put it into education and R&D. There's a big difference on environmental issues. There's a big difference on who they would nominate for the SCOTUS. There's a big difference on social issues. There's a big difference on Medicare and Social Security programs. There's a big difference in personality and temperament - Willard can't even get along with our allies because he's such an unlikable dick.

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Forward.

Exactly. :thumbsup

Great links! Thanks. And thanks for rightly pointing out that it's the REPUBLICANS who have flatly refused to work with Obama from day-fucking-one.

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Obama 2012.

Isn't this usually always the case? :Oh crap

What utter fucking crap!!!!

More fucking crap - consumption doesn't create jobs , it widens the trade deficit. The Chinese must love an ignoramus like you

You've done pretty well over the past 4 years, growing your business etc, spending/borrowing capital, creating jobs. How come?

Do you think under a republican president you'd have done better?

Not an attack post, just curious.

I had lots of equity in my business. Over the last 4 years I have been able to take advantage of various opportunities because I didn't need to go to the bank to finance them. The caveat is we could've done much more than we did as far as investing into the local economy. Because of the looming potential of new and unpredictable expenses the risk of anything longterm was too high.

So you opened up a new plant while Obama was in office and knowing that Obama was going to win another term.

And what makes you think I don't own a business? I don't discuss my mainstream businesses here; I have twenty-one people on staff at two different companies at two different locations.

Minte,

I don't think you are overestimating the uncertainty with Obama, but you are clearly underestimating the uncertainty with Romney. No matter how you slice it they are both Fs and whether one is a 45 and the other is a 55 out of 100 on economics, neither will fix the problems we face or put much of a dent in them by 2016 - especially with an absurdly partisan congress.

The only real edge in the election is Obama is much more favorable on social issues... On financial matters they are both likely to be failures.

^^^+1 QFT



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No one knows the winner until the game is played.

The new plant was great timing for us. The company that was selling is a very large multi-billion dollar organization. Because they were committed to selling the plant we got a great deal on it.

I have known you since the beginning of the internet. I have seen you move to many different jobs. If I assumed incorrectly then I apologize.

I probably am underestimating to a point. I do believe that the economy has got a lid on it due to the uncertainty of the Obama administration. If Romney wins, the honeymoon period should be just enough time to jumpstart things again. The free market system can take care of itself if allowed to do so.

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and if things get worse under romney, then what? also the idea that there is still a 'free market system' is a joke. big business pays big bucks to get laws passed in their favor for a long time now.

Oh I SOOOOOOOOOOOOO want to dislike you I really do. I have read a ton of your posts and the one thing I know for certain is that you and I are on polar opposites of the political spectrum. The problem I have is that you actually ARE a job creator and ethically I am obligated to respect you for that... not that it matters to anyone other than myself what my opinion is.

Some of the things I would like to see discussed on a national level would be strongly pro-business and pro-social initiatives. It can be done but it would be hard. I would like to see you and business people like you be rewarded for hiring people in the US, providing medical benefits to your employees, rewarded for expanding your businesses here in the US. Basically anything that will allow you to build your business, export products and hire more Americans I want you rewarded for that. If GE can do things in such a way that they end up paying no taxes then so should your business. On your personal wealth, I have no idea what your tax rate is but if it is 13.8% you should be paying more.

On the flip side I think corporations that create jobs in other countries should be taxed HARD... I'll say it, taxed punitively. I hate NAFTA and WTO and back when I was a democrat I was embarrassed that a democrat President agreed to that crap. I believe that it is a fact that a strong middle class, an educated and healthy populace is great for our national economy and people like you who actually do create jobs should be heralded even if you're political views are twisted. :winkwink:

Which is exactly why Government power should be strictly limited so that big business is unable to get those laws and regulations passed that will work only in their favor. If the government is completely unable to enforce these kinds of things, then the lobbying becomes pointless.





.:2 cents:

Fortunately, it's small businesses that fuel the economy and employee the most people. I agree that the graft at the top is not going to ever go away.

And you use the word *if* with Romney. With Obama it's not a question. He's already given the answer.

I'm not really sure about the interest part, I'm a green card holder and had a SSN for only 1 year when I bought my house = no credit history at all, I closed escrow with a 3.75 apr on a 30 year mortgage, I did not buy "points"... It's been 1 year now since I bought the house
I think that's a extremely good rate

A business is going to hire if there is a DEMAND for their products. Tax rates, and all of that other yoke is a bunch of nonsense, and has been debunked by plenty of the rich and millionaires in the past year.

If the economy is strong, and there is demand for their goods, they hire. If not, they hold off until they feel confident in the finances and economic growth. It is really that simple. To think a millionaire or business owner is going to be experiencing growth and not going to expand because darkie is in the white house is asinine. No business owner is going to sit on their thumbs for 4 years just because of some tax policy.

You have to reinvigorate the middle class, and then they will buy your products, and hence you'll have growth. There are a number of ways to do this, none of which is more government hand outs. This is where the focus should be. Driving the engine of commerce. Which is the buying power of the middle class.

:2 cents:

It's been said on the internet and therefore it is true. Chuck Norris said so.

The Japanese have a saying, "Fix the problem, not the blame." Find out what's fucked up and fix it. Nobody gets blamed.

We're always after who fucked up. Their way is better.

:2 cents:

I've completely shut my TV down from any network anything, we've been watching movies or listening to music for several days. It's become almost impossible to watch TV otherwise.

We'll turn it back on AFTER the election. There's too much hate and shit for me right now. lol

Unless you're these guys.......


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