That's my point - your naming all "good" countries. Go the Middle East and in some questions you can arrested for being clean shaving or your girlfriend wearing a mini skirt.

I have a sister in law from Cuba. The stories she tells me scare the piss out of me.

I woke up this morning, went for a run, went to the bank to deposit come checks, went online and started work, took my kid to a friend's house, bought myself lunch at Subway.... The government didn't stop me, ask me questions, come to my house. They never do.

Ever.

Where were you on 9/11?

You know your not a terrorist, but no one else knows that. Thus, you will be searched. Is that really fucking high of a price to pay to know that you flying safely on a plane?

Do you really object that much to being searched to get on a plane? Every fucking country in the world does it.

Yep. Do something stupid, go to prison. It keeps my streets safe at night. I'm okay with that really. Because I don't live in fear the police suddenly bashing down my door and searching my house without a warrant and arresting me for something I haven't done.

Which is what? Having a country that people are willing to risk their lives just to live here?

This is what I'm talking about. We take everything for granted here. We have remote control AC units that we can turn on from our cell phone to make sure it's perfect when we get home, mean while people in Africa are still fucking starving, have a more than 50% HIV infection rate, and no government health services at all.

But oh snap, Robbie got searched at the airport again and that's tragic.

I've had to show my passport a few times to police and military traveling on land across Colombia, Vietnam, China, Thailand, Cuba, and Venezuela. Probably a few others but I'm tired and my brain has shut off. There are a decent amount of countries who have road checks here and there.

But in first world countries, besides the 100 mile border checks in the USA, I'm not aware of any.

This image is funny as hell, but it's also a serious reality check.

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What car is it

I said specifically that we are numbed down and dumbed down by having ac, cellphones, etc.

And as I also said...maybe you don't care that you are being searched just so you can ride a glorified bus with wings...but it matters to me. It's treating us like we are criminals. They aren't searching for bombs and trying to make us safe. They are trying to do drug busts plain and simple.

I don't think the TSA has ever found any bombs. Just lots of joints.

It's bullshit. And if you are happy with that then good for you. I'm not. I believe in having freedom.

Back in the 1960's and 1970's and 1980's planes were actually getting hijacked and blown up in mid-air.
But we didn't get searched at airports.

And the day they put the locked steel doors on the pilots cabin on airplanes was the last time that any bunch of guys with box cutters would ever be able to do a 9-11 style takeover of an airplane again.

And no...I don't feel any "safer" when I fly because some TSA agent played with my dick at security. I think it's against everything our country stands for. And the terrorists have "won" when we are subjected to it.

That's just my opinion.

Exactly.

After twenty years of hi-jacking they finally figured out how to stop it. Every country in the world searches people when getting on an airplane. It's common sense, but clearly you don't see that.

What in the world is in your past history that are you searched so much?

What more freedom do you want? Not to be searched on airplanes? Good luck finding a place that doesn't search you when you get on an airplane.

I'm happy. I wake up in the morning, I go for my run, I drive around in my car or my truck, do what I need to do, work, enjoy time with my family, and no one from the government hassles me. No one comes to my house to hassle me, no one tells me I cannot do something I want to do to...

What freedom do you want Robbie?

I think it's more about conditioning than it is stopping real terrorism. They are boiling frogs. Fast forward 10, 15, or 20 years years and imagine what it's going to be like as society deteriorates or the numbers living in poverty grow beyond control. The kind of changes they are going to be needed to deal with that can't happen over night. They need to be slowly worked into the system so people are used to them. Before you know it, you're fucked. Look at what has happened since 2001. Everything has changed. Heaven help us all of another attack on US soil happens.

The irony is, it is all terrorism that the USA created in the first place. Every drone or soldier that kills a child, a brother, mother, son, or daughter, possibly creates a new terrorist. I know if some fuck in another country killed my child or family, I would dedicate the rest of my life to destroying them. Like the USA did over 9-11.

Where's a stray flying cigarette butt when you need it?

47% much? :1orglaugh

Butthurt much?

What's pathetic is he only got 47% of the vote when his party was convinced he would win.

9 out of 10 of the wealthiest counties in the US voted for Obama.

As usual, all Romney had voting for him were the poor states, many of which consume more federal dollars than they actually contribute.

Are you trying to insinuate something about me? I've never been arrested for anything buddy.
I do fly a bit though. And I was searched last year flying to New York, and searched last week flying to Austin Texas and back.

And again I say...I want ALL my freedom. That's "how much freedom" I want.

And did you not understand that when they put the locked steel doors on the planes that that put an end to any "terrorists" being able to hijack the plane?

Also...you keep saying "other countries" do it.
Yeah...they do it because WE insist on it.

Also, last time I checked I was talking about the U.S. constitution and the freedom we are supposed to have. Not what people in other countries may or may not do.

I don't want to argue this. You are fucking frustrating to me. I can't stand it when people just shrug off their personal freedom. So let's just drop the whole damn thing.

I am a guy who believes in freedom. I don't feel very "free" here. You might. And I do agree that a lot of countries ARE less free.

But I'm not here to compare my freedom to a third world shit hole country. I'm looking at the personal freedom that has slipped away over the last 20 years or so in the United States. It's baby steps.

But whatever. From the way you talk, you will be comfy no matter what the govt. does. As long as it doesn't affect you. I understand that.

But I'm not that way.

He doesn't need it.
I once stood right next to Henry Kissinger, he had no guards or anyone near us except my friend I was with, he just stood there all by himself

Does anyone here know anyone who lives in poverty. I mean, I know of someone who works three fucking jobs and still volunteers her time every weekend and her three kids aren't going hungry.

Just like that black chick in Chicago - Can't pay her fucking power bill, but she can afford a forty inch flat screen and an Xbox.

No I don't care that he pumps gas. This idiot was on TV the other day blaming everyone else but himself for losing the election. Just like Trump & Ryan, he hasn't learned a thing.

Romney Blames Obama’s “Generosity” to Minorities for Loss
http://www.bet.com/news/features/vot...-for-loss.html

Romney Blames Loss On Obama’s ‘Big Gifts’ To Minorities, Women
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/20...ction-loss.php

Paul Ryan Blames Loss on Unexpected ‘Urban’ Turnout
http://gawker.com/5960190/in-first-p...-urban-turnout

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Etc....


What are you talking about?

Yea you know.. who was it that made a "BIG" deal about how they were responsible for building their "OWN" business.. Meanwhile I guess when they fail it's everyone else's fault.

:1orglaugh

How do you know they were convinced? When you are in elections you MUST always "be convinced" (= say that you are convinced even if you are not) of your victory. Thats how it works.

Actually it was pretty clear to anybody with half brain that Obama was going to win (besides clear red or blue states there were +- 9 undecided states and Obama needed only couple of them to win PLUS according to the pools he was leading in all those 9 undecided states).

I personally made money betting on pretty much clear Hussein's victory at odds of 1.40

Not that it matters much, but 8 of 10.

He looks insane :2 cents:

And your point is? truth hurts? :1orglaugh Democrats always win by getting majority of minorities and welfare leechers votes.

the tide is high and he's holding on

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Don't bring drugs on a plane, buy them there. I agree though this is a 3-5 minute impact.

What does flying in a plane look like in your proposed world? What would you do?

Umm don't commit crimes. I don't, never been to jail or prison. What would you do?

I think your right, those three-five minutes will be useful dodging flaming planes falling out of the sky and keeping the rapists away from the family. But we would be more free.

Totally illogical. If you are not getting searched for any reason you could easily bring on board the necessary items to pose a big enough threat to take down a plane thus holding leverage over the pilots. Leverage is power and the door can be opened.

For anyone who thinks Obama won by giving away "free stuff" to black people, just remember that 72% of the voting public was white.

Obama won half of the "whitest" states in the nation. Maine is 95% white and Obama won that one.

Yeah. "Slick Mitt" is looking pretty sloppy. And he looks distinctly irritated.

Anyone who thinks Obama won by giving away "free stuff" is a dipshit not worth wasting time on.

But point well taken. :thumbsup

That's bullshit. Dems get working class / middle class votes. Rethugs get the idle rich in the top 1%, and all the poor rubes they can manipulate with wedge issues and attack ads...but that MO ain't working very well for them anymore. :winkwink:

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That's right. And remember, poverty and lack of education go hand in hand. The ONLY demographic that Mittens won handily was non-college-educated straight white males. Everyone else voted Obama. The GOP's base has shrunk considerably, because they've been so arrogant and dismissive of everybody else. Millionaire/billionaire vote = GOP. Poor white vote = GOP. Everybody else = Dem.

The fucking GOP is about cutting taxes for the rich, and rolling back regulations - it's all they've been about for many decades now. Education, healthcare, the environment, civil rights, and all the other things that a normal citizen is concerned with barely gets lip service from these pricks. And America is finally wising up, it seems. :thumbsup

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It simply blows my mind that some people see something different then this.

It so painfully obvious.

Robbie thinks that being searched to get on a plane is an American thing and a violation of his rights. He doesn't seem to understand that every country does this.

Meanwhile, the rest of us wouldn't dare get on an airplane where everyone isn't searched.

It is in the Constitution as everyone knows the founding fathers had a passion for flying and didn't want anything to dampen the experience.

It would look exactly like it looked from the beginning.

You show up at the airport, your luggage is screened electronically. You walk on the plane and go to your destination.

Like I said before...plane hijackings and blown up airplanes happened a lot in the past.

But only after 9-11 did the federal govt. make this move.

Also, as I said, the TSA has NEVER found any bombs. And they probably never will. It's just an excuse to search people.

One "little" thing.
White population in Maine and nationwide split +-50/50
Black population nationwide split 95/5

So yes when English American population is +- 50/50 you only need to control African American population to win it. Be good on welfare and you are halfway there.

This :thumbsup Take the time to step out of the partisan bubble and follow the money.

Wow, you make debating with you so easy Robbie. Just so we are clear, are you saying;

1. Multiple negative incidents of a certain type happened in the past

2. A grandiose example of said negative incident happened on 9-11-2001.

3. The people in charge of setting policies in this country put in place policies to stop the negative incidents from happening.

4. Since those policies were put in place these particular negative incidents have ceased to happen.

5. However now Robbie and his wife spend an extra 3-5 minutes in line every 3rd, 4th or 5th time they fly.

So there was a problem and the people we elect have solved it, however it cost you time. Let' be clear Robbie, it's time, not freedom. Your not free to walk on the plane with illegal substances of any kind, however you are free to fly, it's just a rule dude.

Robbie your next assignment is to google the word "deterrent" and copy and past what you find. (Ctrl+c and then Ctrl+V) in your next post. I am sure that will answer the last bit I quoted.

But once again your right, its that 3-5 minutes we as a society have to take to just make sure the people around us are all in the same mindset. It's as simple as that, some people just aren't and we need to police each other. :thumbsup

What is the English American population? Is that Americans that drink tea? Like Cricket? Drive Jaguars?

Typical ignorant post from the red team.

It was a joke about his comment about the secret service.

Security in politics is becoming a joke though. Your importance is determined by the size of your security team and whether you have your own safe room for reviewing sensitive documents.

Unless I have you confused with someone else you may wish to go back and look at your posts on this very board.

usual disclaimer: I'm neither dem nor rep.

Your posts all reek of

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How about the possibility that the Reps ran an Amateur Hour campaign with a 2nd (or 3rd) string candidate? Nahhh, that couldn't be it. No way.

I'm just saying you've been searched a lot.

Like what? I own a assault rifle - more than one. What more freedoms can I ask for?

Doesn't mean they can't hijack a plane - It means the "might" not be able to get into the cockpit. They don't need to get into the cockpit - they can just start killing passengers.

But what more freedoms under the US Constitution do you want? The right bear arms? Freedom of speech? Do you not understand the freedoms that we have?

I'm not shrugging off anything. I have a choice of who I can vote for, I can produce porn, I have freedom of speech, and I can own firearms. I can own as many cars and houses as I want. I can do all of this with very little restrictions from my government.

I wanted to buy an assault rifle. I paid a small free, had a back ground check, and now I can buy anything I want. Meanwhile, in Singapor, I just read an article on CNN about how you have to buy a $63k diver's license before you can buy a car. That's $63k US dollars. Still want to bitch about your freedoms?

But you can't tell us what freedoms you want other than not being searched when you get on a plane, and I'm trying to explain to you that no one in the world has that freedom.

Not at all. If there was something I disagreed with to the point I knew in my heart it needed to be changed, I would do everything I could to change it - or leave. But frankly, I don't see any major problems. I have healthcare and power and my local police patrolling my streets at night; I come and go as I please, the government never tells me I cannot do anything, I have my hobbies, my truck I'm restoring, and every other week or so I go out to shoot my firearms.

What freedoms do you not have that you want?