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SuckOnThis 11-26-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19333748)
If its not a narcotic to you does not mean its not in reality. For instance speaking of Mexico - its is narcotic there. And it is called narcotic in most of the world. I could name you 20-30+ European countries where marijuana IS called narcotic. Not to mention almost every country in the world. So if you do not call it narcotic does not mean it is not.

As for addictive part - you got to love potheads who smokes weed every single day, yet they claim they are not addicted :) If it does not give you physical pain when you stop using it does not mean its not addictive!


The DEA lists marijuana as a schedule I NON-NARCOTIC drug. Are you fucking retarded or what?

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/index.html

crockett 11-26-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19333731)
Just like with prostitution it is the fact that it is illegal that createsthese situations, if it were legal you take the crime out of it

but in doing so you free up a lot of prison space, law enforcement resources courts, prosecutors etc...and without all that the government loses out on a lot of money to fund this idiotic war on drugs....so they are just as culpable as the cartel that did it, they all work together for profit, thats the bottom line.

some small percentage of your tax dollars subsidized that womans death...believe it....


It's a difficult situation to try to say which is better. I'd be willing to bet there wasn't as many car accidents with drunk drivers during prohibition. Meaning in trade for finding a solution to one thing we created problems elsewhere.

Now think about that with junkies.. This isn't just about marijuana, because just legalizing it does little to combating drug cartels. It might be their cash cow at the moment but they would easily move into other products. Meth, Heroin.. ect..ect. Which I'm sure they are already into.

So you have to legalize it all. If you try to win the war by decriminalization. How many side effects do you think that would have in the long run? Think junkies still wont steal to support their habits? It's not like just because it's legal the drugs would be free.

Killswitch 11-26-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19333748)
As for addictive part - you got to love potheads who smokes weed every single day, yet they claim they are not addicted :) If it does not give you physical pain when you stop using it does not mean its not addictive!

I haven't smoked in over a week, and have no need or urge too... What's the timeframe between when you drink?


..Yeah that's what I thought.

Also it can be listed as a narcotic all over the world, just not in the USA, doesn't mean shit... It's also legal all over the world, but not in the USA.

crockett 11-26-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tfs (Post 19333759)
Mexicans are the Middle Men. The Columbians are laughing their asses off.

You think there hasn't been the same type of fighting among the drug cartels in Columbia?

SuckOnThis 11-26-2012 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Killswitch (Post 19333779)
I haven't smoked in over a week, and have no need or urge too... What's the timeframe between when you drink?


..Yeah that's what I thought.

Also it can be listed as a narcotic all over the world, just not in the USA, doesn't mean shit... It's also legal all over the world, but not in the USA.

Its not listed as a narcotic anywhere, that guy simply doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground. The DEA is the biggest anti-marijuana propagandist on the planet and push other countries drug policies.

Dirty F 11-26-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zealotry (Post 19333766)
Once again... Drugs are not for stupid people... :1orglaugh

Yet all the stupid people use it.

Drugs in general (from nicotine, alcohol to smack) fuck people up and are the reason that people get addicted, get aggressive, get mental/physical problems. I see it happen everywhere. People who are close to me, people on tv shows like cops. We all see it happen.

I don't understand it. I don't understand how any drug could be the one and only reason to behave that way. I'm pretty sure there has to be something wrong with you in the first place.
I tried many different things and no matter if i liked it or not i never got fucked up, in a bad way. I never felt like getting into a fight with someone. I never felt like i have to get into a car, drive way too fast and run from the police.

The problem is that too many people who use drugs shouldn't be using drugs. They can't handle it.

If you are a normal, educated person, with parents who raised you well, who told you to be polite and explained to you that aggression will not get you anywhere then i'm sure you will not act like a fucking idiot when you get drunk, smoke a doobie, or do a line.

Well actually you might act like an idiot but not in an aggressive way.

My friends don't get aggressive. Because i hang with nice people.

It's always the same people who get into fights...always! Every time they go out. And they always blame someone else.
And those people are always talking about "showing some respect". As in: i just destroyed your face because you didn't show any respect.

I never talk about respect. Because it's normal behaviour to be good to people who are good to you.

Really, if some guy in the bar, late at night, is talking about respect...just leave...because he's about to smash you in the face.

epitome 11-26-2012 06:17 PM

I went on a massive crime spree of hugging people when I did x last night.

Took 10 cops to stop me because I overpowered them with hugs.

candyflip 11-26-2012 06:26 PM

The weed I smoke is grown locally.

Helix 11-26-2012 06:31 PM

Grow your own. Highest quality at the lowest price.

Dirty F 11-26-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 19333836)
The weed I smoke is grown locally.

Local produce consumption will clean this up this planet.
And i'm not talking about just weed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprint

Dirty F 11-26-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19333830)
I went on a massive crime spree of hugging people when I did x last night.

Took 10 cops to stop me because I overpowered them with hugs.

:1orglaugh

Zuzana Designs 11-26-2012 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19333830)
I went on a massive crime spree of hugging people when I did x last night.

Took 10 cops to stop me because I overpowered them with hugs.

That made me laugh :thumbsup

Axzar 11-27-2012 04:01 AM

She should become the poster child for legalization.

Robbie 11-27-2012 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19333777)
It's a difficult situation to try to say which is better. I'd be willing to bet there wasn't as many car accidents with drunk drivers during prohibition. Meaning in trade for finding a solution to one thing we created problems elsewhere.

LOL. Prohibition was in 1920 to 1933

There weren't as many people driving cars then.

The "problems" we created were people being gunned down in the streets. The rise of "The Mob" mafia to unprecedented wealth and power in the U.S. And violence, violence, violence.

Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibi..._United_States

MiLo 11-27-2012 08:07 AM

Bad Trailer. Great Documentary:


crockett 11-27-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19334480)
LOL. Prohibition was in 1920 to 1933

There weren't as many people driving cars then.

The "problems" we created were people being gunned down in the streets. The rise of "The Mob" mafia to unprecedented wealth and power in the U.S. And violence, violence, violence.

Read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibi..._United_States

Of course there were less cars, I'm meaning percentage of course. I'd suspect there were far less people gunned down in the streets than what die in DUI related wrecks each year.

Example in 2010 there were roughly 10,000 DUI related deaths. This of course is only deaths related to driving a car after consuming alcohol. No other alcohol related deaths counted.

The same year there were roughly 9,300 murders committed with a gun. Now of course every murder that was committed in 2010 with a gun wasn't drug related. I'm sure not every illegal drug death that comes by means of violence was not always done with a gun but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that illegal drug related violence accounts for fewer deaths than simply driving while drinking.

This means that legalizing it while it does fix some problems it also creates other problems that might be worse. This is why I say just decriminalization of drugs it isn't a simple solution as it will undoubtedly create other problems that could be potentially bigger.

The problem with the drug war in the US, is that we aren't educating people properly and there is no longer a social stigma related to drugs. Added to this we don't do enough to get people off them, once they are addicted.

While I'm not against legalizing Marijuana exclusively, I just don't think that it's a real solution in the long run, when it comes to drug problems in the US.

digitaldivas 11-27-2012 08:29 AM

I live in Colo, and we grow our buds locally!

SuckOnThis 11-27-2012 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19334521)
Of course there were less cars, I'm meaning percentage of course. I'd suspect there were far less people gunned down in the streets than what die in DUI related wrecks each year.

Example in 2010 there were roughly 10,000 DUI related deaths. This of course is only deaths related to driving a car after consuming alcohol. No other alcohol related deaths counted.

The same year there were roughly 9,300 murders committed with a gun. Now of course every murder that was committed in 2010 with a gun wasn't drug related. I'm sure not every illegal drug death that comes by means of violence was not always done with a gun but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that illegal drug related violence accounts for fewer deaths than simply driving while drinking.

This means that legalizing it while it does fix some problems it also creates other problems that might be worse. This is why I say just decriminalization of drugs it isn't a simple solution as it will undoubtedly create other problems that could be potentially bigger.

The problem with the drug war in the US, is that we aren't educating people properly and there is no longer a social stigma related to drugs. Added to this we don't do enough to get people off them, once they are addicted.

While I'm not against legalizing Marijuana exclusively, I just don't think that it's a real solution in the long run, when it comes to drug problems in the US.


All that is true but there is one thing you are failing to mention. During prohibition people still drank, so not only did you have the problems that prohibition created you also had the same problems alcohol creates. Trying to stop people from putting what they want in their own bodies never works (unless you own private prison stock). Don't you think in a free society people should have that choice?

crockett 11-27-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 19334543)
All that is true but there is one thing you are failing to mention. During prohibition people still drank, so not only did you have the problems that prohibition created you also had the same problems alcohol creates. Trying to stop people from putting what they want in their own bodies never works (unless you own private prison stock). Don't you think in a free society people should have that choice?

People should have free choice, but what about people whom have the result's of that choice placed on them? Think of some family driving down a street and getting killed by a drunk driver. Where is their free choice?

Did you happen to grow up in a alcoholic home? Think the kids have much freedom of choice in that situation? Now think if drugs were legal and it's addicts. Do we really need more kids in this country growing up in that situation than already are?

Now what about work? Do you really want a cop with a gun showing up for work after a night of partying and maybe having a bad hit of acid?

If drugs are legal, how do you stop doctors, cops, teachers from abusing them? At least now they can be tested for it, but not if it's legal. It's simply not the same thing as alcohol, which already causes more than enough problems & it's legal.

Simply put, people that push for legalization do not really look at the big picture because for every problem it may solve it creates another. The question is which is the bigger problem and what new problems will we create.

SuckOnThis 11-27-2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19334607)
People should have free choice, but what about people whom have the result's of that choice placed on them? Think of some family driving down a street and getting killed by a drunk driver. Where is their free choice?

Did you happen to grow up in a alcoholic home? Think the kids have much freedom of choice in that situation? Now think if drugs were legal and it's addicts. Do we really need more kids in this country growing up in that situation than already are?

Now what about work? Do you really want a cop with a gun showing up for work after a night of partying and maybe having a bad hit of acid?

If drugs are legal, how do you stop doctors, cops, teachers from abusing them? At least now they can be tested for it, but not if it's legal. It's simply not the same thing as alcohol, which already causes more than enough problems & it's legal.

Simply put, people that push for legalization do not really look at the big picture because for every problem it may solve it creates another. The question is which is the bigger problem and what new problems will we create.

Could you find cocaine or marijuana now if you wanted? If you say yes then every part of your argument is irrelevant.

There is not a single thing that is more damaging to society than alcohol, but people are going to do it regardless.

Prohibition comes down to one group of people telling another group of people what they cannot do. People that feel they have the moral superiority over others should move to Saudi Arabia, they would be much more at home.

crockett 11-27-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 19334623)
Could you find cocaine or marijuana now if you wanted? If you say yes then every part of your argument is irrelevant.

There is not a single thing that is more damaging to society than alcohol, but people are going to do it regardless.

Prohibition comes down to one group of people telling another group of people what they cannot do. People that feel they have the moral superiority over others should move to Saudi Arabia, they would be much more at home.

Drugs are not a moral issue, they are a social issue. Don't confuse the two.

Vendzilla 11-27-2012 09:43 AM

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...80851381_n.jpg

Probably shot with a gun from the US's fast and furious plan

BlackCrayon 11-27-2012 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19334607)
People should have free choice, but what about people whom have the result's of that choice placed on them? Think of some family driving down a street and getting killed by a drunk driver. Where is their free choice?

Did you happen to grow up in a alcoholic home? Think the kids have much freedom of choice in that situation? Now think if drugs were legal and it's addicts. Do we really need more kids in this country growing up in that situation than already are?

Now what about work? Do you really want a cop with a gun showing up for work after a night of partying and maybe having a bad hit of acid?

If drugs are legal, how do you stop doctors, cops, teachers from abusing them? At least now they can be tested for it, but not if it's legal. It's simply not the same thing as alcohol, which already causes more than enough problems & it's legal.

Simply put, people that push for legalization do not really look at the big picture because for every problem it may solve it creates another. The question is which is the bigger problem and what new problems will we create.

drugs being illegal obviously doesn't stop anyone from doing them. the only way to get rid of drugs is to change the human mind. drug testing is useless, aside from weed all the other drugs are out of your system in 24-48 hours so chances of testing positive for drugs that matter are slim. i don't think hard drugs should be legal but laws aren't stopping much of anything. its all a double standard anyways, like vendzilla pointed out, oxy's are legal and are one of the biggest drug epidemics in recent history. now that the patent has expired, get ready for generic oxy..

st0ned 11-27-2012 09:50 AM

Sad story for sure, it is horrible what is happening over there.

However the best weed is grown in the states and all of the smokers I know get it locally.

The same can be said for anything involving money really, not just drugs.

Vendzilla 11-27-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19334675)
drugs being illegal obviously doesn't stop anyone from doing them. the only way to get rid of drugs is to change the human mind. drug testing is useless, aside from weed all the other drugs are out of your system in 24-48 hours so chances of testing positive for drugs that matter are slim. i don't think hard drugs should be legal but laws aren't stopping much of anything. its all a double standard anyways, like vendzilla pointed out, oxy's are legal and are one of the biggest drug epidemics in recent history. now that the patent has expired, get ready for generic oxy..

Last month, doctor gave me a bottle of Vicodens for the pain, still on the shelf. Was told I could refill when I needed them. GEEZ

_Richard_ 11-27-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19333830)
I went on a massive crime spree of hugging people when I did x last night.

Took 10 cops to stop me because I overpowered them with hugs.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Badmaash 11-27-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Helix (Post 19333842)
Grow your own. Highest quality at the lowest price.

Good point

If you got any weed, just post it to http://www.potcommerce.com/

TY

alex.missyouth 11-27-2012 12:08 PM

Coke & MJ do not kill people, people kill people. And btw, can you define 'innocent' crockett?


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