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_Richard_ 12-03-2012 06:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19349958)
There are plenty who've died trying to a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philipines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled, everyone from General to private at attention facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - that come from the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years that some hate this country and its symbols, all for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag, but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.
who are you, masked avenger?

davethedope 12-03-2012 06:04 PM
You best start believing in JohnnyClips threads... You're in one.

StickyGreen 12-03-2012 06:10 PM
Looks like most of you are ready for the New World Order...

sperbonzo 12-03-2012 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19349958)
There are plenty who've died trying to get a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philippines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled. Everyone from General to Private at attention, facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - all about the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years, that some hate this country and mock its symbols. All for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag - but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.
Nice post Joe




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MPGdevil 12-03-2012 07:13 PM
Did JohnnyClips just hack an account?

Struggle4Bucks 12-03-2012 07:15 PM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PZGmeg23ICQ

Struggle4Bucks 12-03-2012 07:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MPGdevil (Post 19350052)
Did JohnnyClips just hack an account?
Yes, he probably hacked Joe Obenberger and is looking to explore his other extreme side.

pornmasta 12-03-2012 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 19345583)
not bad :thumbsup

Killswitch 12-03-2012 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19349958)
There are plenty who've died trying to get a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philippines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled. Everyone from General to Private at attention, facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - all about the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years, that some hate this country and mock its symbols. All for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag - but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.
Well fucking said.

http://i.imgur.com/UdSod.jpg

AutumnBH 12-03-2012 07:53 PM
http://i.imgur.com/FcDxB.jpg

pornmasta 12-03-2012 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AutumnBH (Post 19350107)
of course, he is proud, he drew it !

Overload 12-03-2012 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19344819)
Never understood flags... was a bit suprised seeing all the flags on every corner on my USA trip... so I asked a guy... "what`s up with all the flags??? Is it so you guys know you`re still in America and not in Mexico or Canada? Just to be sure?"... The guy looked strange if i said something russian or something...
same here, there is only one nation dumb enuff to plaster their red/white/blue crap all over the country ... idiotic crap :2 cents: proud to be a nation of torture, drone assassination and terror? go ahead and place a starspangled piece of toiletpaper in your window ...:1orglaugh

Struggle4Bucks 12-03-2012 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19349958)
The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.
...and the reason you think the way you think is because since you were little you were told at school to stand up and sing a song in front of your flag! We don't do that over here, with all respect.

Struggle4Bucks 12-03-2012 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19350113)
...and the reason you think the way you think is because since you were little you were told at school to stand up and sing a song in front of your flag! We don't do that over here, with all respect.
We don't do that over here ANYMORE... let's say... since 1945...

dgraves 12-03-2012 08:00 PM
If you have to ask...

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georgeyw 12-03-2012 08:00 PM
I love this.

Every argument on gfy goes like this.

I think this way therefore you are an idiot.

AutumnBH 12-03-2012 08:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19350113)
...and the reason you think the way you think is because since you were little you were told at school to stand up and sing a song in front of your flag! We don't do that over here, with all respect.
In fact that whole pledge of allegiance thing and American nationalism in general is considered a bit freaky and mind-controlish here in the civilized world.

dgraves 12-03-2012 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AutumnBH (Post 19350118)
In fact that whole pledge of allegiance thing and American nationalism in general is considered a bit freaky and mind-controlish here in the civilized world.
You can say that about any tradition.

crazydollars 12-03-2012 08:30 PM
Fronk is retard

Killswitch 12-03-2012 09:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19350115)
We don't do that over here ANYMORE... let's say... since 1945...
Shhhhh, people in 3rd world countries are still catching up with the times. Hey did you hear about that new awesome show airing over seas? Oh man, Hogan's Heroes you should watch it!

Wait until M.A.S.H. hits, their minds will be blown! Good ole Hawkeye!

Horatio Caine 12-03-2012 10:40 PM
I can't name one war where dutch waved their flags as winners.

Makaveli 12-04-2012 12:03 AM
Easy to feel that way when you live in a country that doesn't stand for anything..

OneHungLo 12-04-2012 01:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19349958)
There are plenty who've died trying to get a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philippines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled. Everyone from General to Private at attention, facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - all about the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years, that some hate this country and mock its symbols. All for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag - but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.
http://i.imgur.com/zPnFC.gif

Emil 12-04-2012 01:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 19350256)
I can't name one war where dutch waved their flags as winners.
You're saying you're proud of all the wars USA have started?

adult-help 12-04-2012 01:35 AM
i guess flags represent something. it's not literal . you dont burn flag, you burn what it stands for.

that said i dont give fuck about flags too.

Captain Kawaii 12-04-2012 01:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 19349958)
There are plenty who've died trying to get a chance of living in the place where that flag flies above them.

And, in Northern Virginia, across the Potomac from Washington, there are several vast fields of tens of thousands of war dead, many of them just kids, each of them having lain under that flag before their remains were committed to the earth. More than a few of them died liberating places like the Netherlands from Nazi occupation administered by the Gestapo, even though it was not their country and not their war. They gave their lives because their country - which flies that flag - told them to do so. There are fields just like it in France and Belgium, in the Philippines, in Hawaii. The blood of those men, serving under that flag, in two wars, consecrated that soil.

The reason that you don't get it is because it was never taught to you.

As a young child, my father, a veteran of the Pacific War, got me up from the curb to stand at attention each time that flag went past in a parade, and to put my hand over my heart. Later in life, as an officer of the United States Army, I was struck at how every single activity on every Army post in the world comes to a halt for a few minutes each afternoon, when the flag is lowered and the song "To the Colors" is bugled. Everyone from General to Private at attention, facing the post flagpole in salute; it's pretty touching and you should experience it at least once if you never have. What comes over you is a sense of dedication to something much greater than yourself, and to principles much higher than your own - all about the idea of defending Liberty and the dignity of individuals, upon which our Bill of Rights stands.

Every person will attach a different meaning to this national symbol - and it's easy to see from not only some posts here, but from much of the history of the past fifty years, that some hate this country and mock its symbols. All for different reasons, but with as much fervor as the Communists hated us for most of my lifetime and the Nazis before them - and I don't much care what anyone else thinks about when they think about the flag - but that's what it means to me, a symbol of some of the highest ideals, aspirations, and values that have ever been seen on this planet, flying over a land of imperfect persons who have only imperfectly attained those ideals, but who continue to work towards them.
So tell us, Joe. Exactly why did the US sit on its hands for 2 years while the Nazi's and the Gestapo were going apeshit? Why did the US turn its back on Jewish immigrants that Hitler tried to expel when no one would accept them?

Why did the US sit by while American oil companies fueled Nazi submarines in the Bahamas, with gas, oil and food supplies then sent them on their way up the east coast to blow up supply ships headed for the allies in Europe.

According to Ken Burns 25% of American soldiers went into battle in ww2 with unloaded weapons. They did not want to be there. Interviews with them said as much.

My family has been in this land since 1701 fighting with and against Indians and in every war since then. Frankly, we are sick of war to profit the rich. Let's be honest Joe. The American Revolution was the rich against the rich. The common people had to be lied to and cajoled and fooled to get them to fight. They had no truck in it until a rich guy fooled him. That's historical fact, sir.

Nothing against your dad as my father served in Patton's 3rd Army. He received a bronze star from Patton himself.

C'mon Joe, drink some coffee and put down the koolaid.

These days the flag represents oppression and aggression against enemies of the free market.

Struggle4Bucks 12-04-2012 07:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 19350256)
I can't name one war where dutch waved their flags as winners.
That`s right the dutch don`t wage wars... they became on of the most wealthy places on earth because of trade, not because of war. But for your history catch up: The dutch ruled the world before America even existed. And let me tell you the people in New York speaked dutch when it was still called New Amsterdam. But.... it would be very childish to be proud of that. As a mather of fact... you could might as well call America The United States of European Immigrants. So if you really want to be proud of something you should not forget where you all really came from:)

Struggle4Bucks 12-04-2012 07:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Makaveli (Post 19350303)
Easy to feel that way when you live in a country that doesn't stand for anything..
The country i live in don`t force me to stand for what ever the country wants me to stand for... And they are damn right... because i would be out of there.

Struggle4Bucks 12-04-2012 07:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19350388)
So tell us, Joe. Exactly why did the US sit on its hands for 2 years while the Nazi's and the Gestapo were going apeshit? Why did the US turn its back on Jewish immigrants that Hitler tried to expel when no one would accept them?

Why did the US sit by while American oil companies fueled Nazi submarines in the Bahamas, with gas, oil and food supplies then sent them on their way up the east coast.
Correct... America helped Hitler into power as a counterpower for Communist Russia. Soon maddog Hitler turned out of control and the rest is history.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19350388)
According to Ken Burns 25% of American soldiers went into battle in ww2 with unloaded weapons. They did not want to be there. Interviews with them said as much.
Correct... there was absolutely no interest among the American public to go to WW2 after the devastations of WW1. They had the feeling they were tricked in with nice talk about freedom and democracy. Freedom and Democracy would not be enough for American public to go to war again. American Government wanted to go to WW2 so they looked the other way when the Japanese bomb the shit out of Pearl Harbor. Now that was enough for the American Public to go to war.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19350388)
Nothing against your dad as my father served in Patton's 3rd Army. He received a bronze star from Patton himself.
Respect to your father's and the ones that fought and died in the wars. It's too bad that
people don't know about politics and the way they manipulate the public. Most recent example:
weapons of massdestruction in Irak. If anyone has family or friends lost there, you should all be
proud of them but be very mad at your government the same time.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19350388)
These days the flag represents oppression and aggression against enemies of the free market.
Speaking about the free market... We all do know about the reason why America entered WW2, or do we not? There is a history for the common people and a history off the record. Why did American government want to go to war? They signed a deal with England, saying that the US would help ONLY if Europe would open their markets for American products after the war. If you want to tell me America fought for their own business... fine! Why not! Just don`t come with the ideals like defending liberty and democracy. Because it was nothing like that.

Dirty F 12-04-2012 08:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adult-help (Post 19350372)
i guess flags represent something. it's not literal . you dont burn flag, you burn what it stands for.

that said i dont give fuck about flags too.
Funny how all these idiots think i don't understand that a flag stNds for something. You have to be close to retardation if you seriously think i don't understand something as basic as that.
Goddamn morons on this forum. They keep amazing me with their stupidity every single day.

grumpy 12-04-2012 08:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19350739)
Funny how all these idiots think i don't understand that a flag stNds for something. You have to be close to retardation if you seriously think i don't understand something as basic as that.
Goddamn morons on this forum. They keep amazing me with their stupidity every single day.
thats funny coming from you. Your a funny guy.

nico-t 12-04-2012 08:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AutumnBH (Post 19350118)
In fact that whole pledge of allegiance thing and American nationalism in general is considered a bit freaky and mind-controlish here in the civilized world.
absolutely, it isn't mind-controlish, it's blatant mind control/brainwashing.

Makaveli 12-04-2012 09:44 AM
Ask your Grandparents what the Canadian flag means to them.

http://www.redfridays.ca/images/libe...ibbon8inch.jpg

http://docalexander.files.wordpress....paradeflag.jpg

Struggle4Bucks 12-04-2012 09:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Makaveli (Post 19350891)
Probably chocolate and cigarets:)

If people didn't believe in flags there would be no WW2 in the first place... So there would be no flags liberating other flags...

sperbonzo 12-04-2012 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19350908)
Probably chocolate and cigarets:)

If people didn't believe in flags there would be no WW2 in the first place... So there would be no flags liberating other flags...
You've solved it! FLAGS CAUSED WWII!!!

Get rid of them, and wars go away.




There's THAT problem solved. Next?



.:)


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DamianJ 12-04-2012 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Makaveli (Post 19350891)
Ask your Grandparents what the Canadian flag means to them.
Bacon, maple syrup and ice hockey.

Makaveli 12-04-2012 10:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19350908)
Probably chocolate and cigarets:)

If people didn't believe in flags there would be no WW2 in the first place... So there would be no flags liberating other flags...
Ya sure, moron.

Struggle4Bucks 12-04-2012 10:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Makaveli (Post 19350981)
Ya sure, moron.
oh... you're calling me moron... what an aggression... you're probably the first in line to fight in a war for your collours. Please do that!

you know what... i'm stepping out of this war...
I didn't quit my study history/minor filosophy for nothing...
I was more interested in business... and this shit is keeping me off that!

Unbelievable how one can be sucked into a discussion which will lead to nothing...
same as all these wars that lead to nothing.... learned something again today.

The only thing that i was trying to say that nationalism is a dangerous thing
and also pretty stupid if you consider yourself as being an individual.

Everyone needs to think what he wants or not... and i respect that, because i'm not
"hacked by Johnny" but it seems to me that the more nationalistic people are... the more they tend to disrespect other peoples worldviews and believes. Sieg Heil! (sarcasm)

_Richard_ 12-04-2012 10:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19350667)
That`s right the dutch don`t wage wars... they became on of the most wealthy places on earth because of trade, not because of war. But for your history catch up: The dutch ruled the world before America even existed. And let me tell you the people in New York speaked dutch when it was still called New Amsterdam. But.... it would be very childish to be proud of that. As a mather of fact... you could might as well call America The United States of European Immigrants. So if you really want to be proud of something you should not forget where you all really came from:)
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dutch+and+privateering

Joe Obenberger 12-04-2012 11:30 AM
I do disagree that World War II led to "nothing". You should ask the people of China, the Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong, France, Holland, Denmark, the Scandanavian countires, Greece. etc. I think that rather a lot was accomplished by the Allies. We all worked together in concert and achieved something most remarkable. Many wars accomplish significant results for the good. Ask anyone living in Seoul today. And when some wars are lost, significant tragedy results. Though you really won't be able to ask the people living in Ho Chi Minh city, you can check with the Vietnamese immigrant community and ask them just a few questions about how tough it was to leave Vietnam, why they did so, and the many tragic stories they know of the people who didn't make it out. I'm proud that troops carrying the United States flag suffered and died for the freedom of France and many millions all throughout the World, and just as proud that when Charles DeGaul asked us to pick up our troop and depart, we did so without delay. We came as Liberators, not as conquerers, and when the French thought our presence was no longer needed to assure their freedom, the Liberators left. The French may have left the military component of NATO, but of course they remained part of the alliance; I recall a change of command ceremony at First Infantry in Goeppingen at which all the allies attended; and most remarkably, I remember the French Flag, the French Commander, and standing at attention for the playing of the French National Anthem, too. They were, with us, the Brits, and the Canadians, maintaining watch in Germany for the security of Western Europe. Whatever trash anyone wants to say about this country and its flag, let them say it. Our First Amendment means that it is no crime even to burn our flag. I am proud of that, too. This is a country that has gone to war to defend the freedom of other people in far distant lands, and there are only a few nations that can say the same, notably the Brits, Canadians, Australians, and New Zealanders. Indeed, it's tragic that the practicalities of defeating the Nazis left the Soviets masters of Eastern Europe. However, we never lost faith with those people and worked for decades to put pressure on the house that Stalin built until in ultimately collapsed. In Chicago, we have an enormous Polish population. Ask Poles why the Communist empire collapsed and what they think of the US role in that. It took many hands to accomplish it, from the people of the captive nations to the Pope, but the US hand was steady in its pressure over those many years,and it cannot fairly be said by anyone that when the end came, and when freedom came, it was not something that the Americans massively influenced. Indeed proud of that flag and what it stands for.


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