I have personnal reasons...
You know, people worries about murders because it's spectacular but there is an other side of the coin (when there is no guns).

you seems to be pro gun, but you criticize me that i am ?

So your personal reasons make you post retarded stuff and completely ignore statistics?
Can't you in this case just say i have personal reasons but yes you people are right, there is a huge fucking gun problem in the US?
Fucking moron.

Wtf? Wait, i hope you are just joking now and took my example in the wrong way on purpose. If not then you're even more fucking dumb that i already though you were. Which is almost impossible.
Nah, this can't be real. You're just fucking with me.

What's the problem ?
It's not the gun who kills, it's the guy who shot.
Also if your society is violent, what demonstrates that the reason is the guns ?

Gun nutters look so much like the conspiracy nutters here. Equally dumb and brainwashed.
They ignore facts. They ignore statistics. They just keep on crying the same thing over and over again.

Did i already mention you are a fucking imbecile?

you know for me a criminal is someone who kill someone, it's not someone with a gun.So 1 criminal and 500 other armed guy is safer for me.

Please demonstrate that guns make people more violent.
You know, there is much more people in jail in the USA too.
And there is much more gangs too...
Remove the gun, what proves that it will reduce the number of murders ?

You know you can't buy cocaine over the counter, but strangely some people are able to get it anyway... :2 cents:

You have a very, very low iq. But this was clear already.

No amount of statistics could convince a low iq'ed gun nutter like you. Because you've been told your whole life guns are the way to go and it's your freedoms. This is hardwired in your tiny hillbilly brain. You ask me to demonstrate something you are totally not interested in. I could demonstrate you a 100 things which will show you how wrong you are and your answer will be be: I don't care. Guns don't kill people.

Mass shootings? When someone walks into a school, college, movie theatre and shoots the place up? No, not even close. How in the world is it legal that someone can legally own a assault weapon? You want to own a hunting gun? Fine so be it. No one should be able to legally own a fucking machine gun.

So if guns help stop these types of mass shootings, could someone please post some links to examples of people stopping a mass shooting because they were armed?

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Serious question.

I live in france and i have a propaganda that says the opposite.
And you know in france, this country where you are allowed to think what you want... people would just start to harass me, because i claim an opinion like that.

I'm just sure that in france, the jurisdictional system is totally fucked up and useless to protect people efficiently (at least on some subjects). I just want to be able to protect myself (just in case, people wanted to destroy my life for the fun of it or because i don't think like them, for example).

Because we have more people; that was mentioned already.

What would that be?

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

Most places, you can't legally own a machine gun. :2 cents:

The vast, vast majority of "assault rifles" are just single shot rifles. In order to own an actual machine gun you need to be pre-vetted by serious government agencies and renew your ownership each year thru what is called a "tax-stamp" I honestly cannot remember ever reading of a true machine gun being used in a crime yet alone a shooting.

I own an Uzi. That doesn't mean it's a machine gun. It's a single shot rifle as are the AR-15's used in recent shootings.

If you added up the population of all the first world countries other than the USA (UK, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Japan, etc) it would far exceed the population of the united states. However collectively they don't have near the same gun violence/murders that america does.

Ok, here is my take, as an Obama voting Dem who SURPRISE - owns a lot of guns (we can't let the GOP have all the fun). I own a FN SCAR, Walther PPS, FN 5.7, Ed Brown Kobra Carry, and a few others.

A firearms ban is just so dumb and out there when you consider history and the present situation.

First, alcohol consumption by private citizens has contributed more death and misery in this country than firearms, and it isn't even close. People rape, maim, assault and kill people in this country due to the impact of alcohol every single day. Are we going to ban alcohol? Of course not. Did we try? Yes. Did it work. Hell no.

Banning firearms is Prohibition 2.0. Put simply, the demand for firearms is enormous, much like the demand for alcohol prior to prohibition (Exhibit A: 2,000,000+ gun purchase in the state of Kentucky alone last year). If a firearm ban is in place, people will simply buy them in the unregulated black market, enriching the coffers of those in organized crime. And oh yea, the thugs in South Side Chicago are gona love it, because the Korean grocery store owner with a mini-mart there can't have a shot gun behind the counter to protect himself.

Secondly, unless you want a civil war, stop the ban firearms nonsense. Try confiscating weapons from armed militias in Northern Michigan. You thought Waco was bad? Shit, it would be absolute chaos.

Take PRAGMATIC approaches to gun ownership, like we do with other "deathly pleasures", e.g., alcohol and cigarettes. That is the only solution. Anyone who proposes a complete firearm ban, or even worse, confiscation, is delusional and should have their head examined. Learn from history. The populace is already heavily armed, so a ban is just not gonna work under any reality, alternative or otherwise. It didn't work for alcohol, and it sure as hell isn't gonna work for firearms.

Not many people can own a machine gun.

If you are talking about Ar-15, or the .223 Bushmaster. this is NOT an assault weapon.
Just because Politics have changed the wording and what something looks like.
It is a Weapon that LOOKS like an assault Weapon.
We have changed the wording to fit the needs.
It is No more that a 30-06 just a smaller round, and a larger magazine.
BOTH can be modified to be automatic as can most weapons even shot guns.

I can get a 100 round clip for my 9mm and modify the handgun to make it auto.

Exactly, and this is SAD. The Problem is, NOTHING can be done as far as Taking Guns away!
Guns are here, so there has to be a different answer. The Criminals will NEVER give up their guns.

If guns were never invented, then the USA would be the number one in Knife Violence. It isn't the weapon (does make mass killings more easy) it is how we have changed over time and all the PC correct crap.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws, and the Most violence.....

We have a violent society. We have a lot of self centered mentally impaired losers. We have more guns than people. See the problem???

Outlawing guns is impossible.

It's not like you can press a hyperspace button and all the guns magically disappear, gone forever. Outlawing guns will simply mean very law abiding citizens will turn theirs in. The vast majority plus more hitting our shores will still be there. Then what? A war on guns that's twice as successful as our war on drugs would still be a huge fail and guns would still be readily available to anyone planning a crime.

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you know what?

I used to be totally anti gun....
then I realised how hitler was the same.... He didn't want his citizens to have guns either.

I totally believe guns are the most retarded things in the world yet in the end after all the politics and bullshit that can be worked around through further bullshit, they are the only thing between you and your government taking control.

Please don't say it can't OR won't ever happen.

edit - i've had too much too drunk but I don't know which side of the fence to stand on.

You are correct. I have no knowledge between the difference of a machine gun or whatever a ar15. All I know is that their sole purpose is to kill people and in no way should any normal citizen be able to legally own one. Anyhow folks you seem to think there is no issue with guns in the usa. so all the power to you. Good night!

I don't get that... out of those 500 people, a few could really flip about whatever... and do harm with those guns.

1 gun is safer than 501 guns for sure!

Let me ship about 5,000 of Tampa Bays finest lowlifes to your city and you'll beg me to Fed-X you a case of handguns.

Jokes aside, alcohol his little to no redeeming value (outside of medical and industrial uses). Yet we, as a democratic and free society, have agreed that the pleasure of alcohol outweighs the pain and suffering it causes (which outnumbers the pain the suffering caused by firearm ownership in this country).

At least with firearms, there is objective value, e.g., 1) self defense, 2) a commodity that can be traded and sold (if the shit hits the fan, guns and ammo will be worth more than gold, 3) safe recreational use among family and friends, 4) keeping the government in check (no, I'm not a right wing nut, but it is a hell of lot easier to deal with the lemming if they aren't armed).

Freedom is expensive and produces horrible results. But you gotta take the good with the bad. We'd all be safe if we lived in a world where guns, alcohol, cigarettes, fast cars, and other "vice enabling" products/services were banned. But then you live in some strange world out of a Star Trek episode. No thanks.

OH NO,
There is a HUGE Issue and Problem. To many Criminals and People about to go crazy. have guns...

But Gun Control as everyone is talking is NOT the answer. The school was a No Gun Zone, ha.

Look at the batman guy he had several other theaters closer to his house, some were even bigger.
He chose the ONLY one that do not carry conceal in the theater.

I heard MOST of these shootings happen in places where you can not carry, and there are no police or security.

As long as they come unarmed... I won't need a gun.

Duh? Of course they will have guns they are criminals and gangster wannabes. But it's nice to see you would arm yourself.

oh fuck, i thought this was to do with the mall shooting. i just read about the school shooting.

really things are so fucked up in the world on so many levels. so many fucking levels. it is disgusting.

let's say that there is one criminal with a gun on a side and one criminal + 500 potential criminals on the other side (they have guns).
YES, in this case it's safer to have only one criminal if the police does its job...

But if you fear what could happen, you are supposed to think twice before you start to do something that could have a fatal effect.

(Of course, it's inefficient against people on drug or against people that think that they are the strongest anyway).

Anybody who thinks living between 500 gun owners is safer than having 1 criminal with a gun in your area needs to get their head checked. And soon.

Okay on that note. If you could buy cocaine over the counter, would there be more users? Don't even have to answer that..

i'm not sure...
It's easier to get.
It's a different life style.
It would also be easier to find help (you don't fear to have legal issues)

In fact, you want to protect honnest guys to do something wrong with guns.
But are these people really the problem ?
Let's say the someone decide to kill his boss: i think that the other boss will think twice before they start to hassle their employees. Yeah more murders... but less harassments

The way society is now, if you want a gun you should have an evaluation by a psychiatrist and do a deep mental health history check.

And anyone can get a gun illegally but a lot of these loner type, white, middle class guys will not roll into the ghetto and try to buy a gun. That may eliminate some of random shootings and whatnot.

These white guys are terrible.
Are they even allowed to vote ?

lol, you're such a pussy... if you lived in America you'd probably be scared shitless hiding under your bed because all your neighbors have guns and are out to get you...

Three weapons were recovered from the school: a semi-automatic .223 Bushmaster found in a car in the school parking lot, and a Glock and a Sig Sauer found with Lanza's body

Correct. Banning guns now won't solve much. There are too many guns out there already.

If anything this shows us that we need more guns. If teachers were packing, janitors, school administrators, hell, even the students, this massacre could have been prevented.

The unfortunate truth.

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You forgot to add a smiley or another clue that you were being sarcastic.

But the gun enabled people to kill other people. In bulk. Quickly. This is why you don't hear about mass murders committed by someone with a spoon.

When the Constitution was written, it took an entire minute to load a weapon and you were lucky if you hit the broadside of a barn with it. Now you can kill thirty people in sixty seconds. Is that what the Constitution had in mind?

This thread is fucking idiotic. "lets ban guns"... as if it hasn't been attempted already.

Let's ban alcohol and see how that works out... oh.. it has been attempted already and it led to the gangsters killing even more daily then the guy did today.. oh... sorry.. continue with your moronic reason on why guns should be banned....

I really don't mind people that don't want to own guns. I wish they would put a sign on their door declaring this. I am trained on the safe use of my firearms. I understand the the police can not protect my home, nor is it their job to do so. They will most likely show up with chalk and police tape after violence has occurred. I love that I have the right to legally own a weapon and protect my life and the lives of my family with it.
if you believe that if abortions were made illegal that women would get them illegally anyway, then I hope you understand that gun owners know the same rule would apply to firearms. The second amendment was not for hunters, btw.

Yadiyadiya bllaaaaah blaaah freedoms bleh blah familys yadiya

A car or truck can be driven through a crowd. Quickly. Let's ban them too...

And no, that is not what the constitution had in mind... the deranged individual today was not fighting against tyranny for the security of the free state, as described in the 2nd Amendment, instead he took the lives of innocent people which is not at all what the 2nd Amendment is about... so he was obviously in the wrong and deserved to die for what he did and now he won't be hurting anyone else.

I think it was BBC or Al Jazeera that reported that they found two other handguns in the school; no mention of make.

I am relatively confident they figured weapons would improve over time; historically it held true, no reason for them to think otherwise.