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scuba steve 12-15-2012 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19372637)
Obviously it's not going to happen overnight, but once they come for the guns it will be a sign that we're getting closer. They already took away your right to privacy (Patriot Act and similar acts) and your right to a trial (NDAA).

you may be of sound mind, but as it's already been proving several times just in the last 6 months, there are plenty of people that aren't. i'd rather put up with more scrutiny to have weapons, knowing that i'll pass their tests and help keep them out of nutjob's hands

StickyGreen 12-15-2012 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19372642)
True, you're right. But it is the same kind of playing field any rebels in any country would find themselves in these days. Back when all we had were swords, things were perhaps different. People adapt obviously, look at the history of Ninja and Samurai.

It just doesn't seem logical to me is all I'm saying.

If I wanted to protect myself from tyranny, I would need a level playing field minimum.

So you would rather be completely unarmed rather than armed? That is such a strange defeatist attitude to me...

brassmonkey 12-15-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19372587)
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Rockhound 12-15-2012 09:56 PM

So far the answer that comes most is "to protect my home" so I have to ask this question then:

If you knew 100% for certain that the person breaking in doesn't have a gun and has never even used one or even held one... would you still want to own one to protect your home?

StickyGreen 12-15-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 19372647)
you may be of sound mind, but as it's already been proving several times just in the last 6 months, there are plenty of people that aren't. i'd rather put up with more scrutiny to have weapons, knowing that i'll pass their tests and help keep them out of nutjob's hands

I'm not arguing against more scrutiny when it comes to purchasing weapons, although we do have background checks and other things already...

I've seen ideas mentioned like "ask questions" and "talk to neighbors," but these ideas don't seem practical to me.

StickyGreen 12-15-2012 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound (Post 19372651)
So far the answer that comes most is "to protect my home" so I have to ask this question then:

If you knew 100% for certain that the person breaking in doesn't have a gun and has never even used one or even held one... would you still want to own one to protect your home?

What difference does it make if the person breaking in has a gun or not?

I think even idiotic criminals understand that there is a risk of being shot if you break into someone's house.

scuba steve 12-15-2012 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19372654)
I'm not arguing against more scrutiny when it comes to purchasing weapons, although we do have background checks and other things already...

I've seen ideas mentioned like "ask questions" and "talk to neighbors," but these ideas don't seem practical to me.

background check is totally basic, and getting a concealed permit is even a bigger joke. main question in all of it is have you been guilty of a felony and do you have mental problems. thats it.

Si 12-15-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19372649)

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Si 12-15-2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19372648)
So you would rather be completely unarmed rather than armed? That is such a strange defeatist attitude to me...

I'm armed. Just with different weapons. Let's face it, there is a reason the US tried Napalm, and why bombs and nukes exist.

StickyGreen 12-15-2012 10:04 PM

If people truly cared about the mental health of our future generations then they would do things like boycott Hollywood and violent video games and any other place that children are learning about these immoral behaviors.

No one seems to want to explore the topic of psychology and pharmaceuticals and why young people are acting out in violence, they'd rather focus their energy on the guns which are simply inanimate objects used as tools by people with mental problems that started somewhere outside of the realm of "guns" to begin with.

StickyGreen 12-15-2012 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19372668)
I'm armed. Just with different weapons. Let's face it, there is a reason the US tried Napalm, and why bombs and nukes exist.

It's stupid to even bring up nukes, because then you're pretty much changing the topic from tyranny and oppression to all-out genocide. We're not talking about all-out genocide, obviously no amount of firearms are going to stop something on the scale of a nuclear holocaust.

charlie g 12-15-2012 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound (Post 19372651)
So far the answer that comes most is "to protect my home" so I have to ask this question then:

If you knew 100% for certain that the person breaking in doesn't have a gun and has never even used one or even held one... would you still want to own one to protect your home?

Yes! What does he have, a knife? Screwdriver? His fists?
There are thousands of responsible gun owners in the US that no one will ever hear about. I keep a gun to protect my family and home from intruders. It is a tool that I will use incase the doorlocks and security alarm fail to do their job. And yes, if a "person" actually makes it past the first 2 defenses I have no problem using any tool at my disposal to keep my family safe.

buzzard 12-15-2012 10:06 PM

Why Do You ask? To protect us from tyrannical government is the first thing that comes to mind.

Si 12-15-2012 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19372670)
If people truly cared about the mental health of our future generations then they would do things like boycott Hollywood and violent video games and any other place that children are learning about these immoral behaviors.

No one seems to want to explore the topic of psychology and pharmaceuticals and why young people are acting out in violence, they'd rather focus their energy on the guns which are simply inanimate objects used as tools by people with mental problems that started somewhere outside of the realm of "guns" to begin with.

You're right man, I obviously don't agree with you on a lot of things. But we agree this society is still pretty fucked up.

Si 12-15-2012 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19372673)
It's stupid to even bring up nukes, because then you're pretty much changing the topic from tyranny and oppression to all-out genocide. We're not talking about all-out genocide, obviously no amount of firearms are going to stop something on the scale of a nuclear holocaust.

We're going between the 2 areas here, where we think guns are needed and getting wires crossed I think.

I think the arguements for guns are totally flawed, but they should be allowed. I'm like Rochard but I don't totally agree with him either.

I'd love to have a security system on my property that electrocuted all unknown visitors and left them unable to move until an authority arrived, but it wouldn't protect me against a government of tyranny because they could shut off the power most probably.

Rockhound 12-15-2012 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19372670)
If people truly cared about the mental health of our future generations then they would do things like boycott Hollywood and violent video games and any other place that children are learning about these immoral behaviors.

No one seems to want to explore the topic of psychology and pharmaceuticals and why young people are acting out in violence, they'd rather focus their energy on the guns which are simply inanimate objects used as tools by people with mental problems that started somewhere outside of the realm of "guns" to begin with.

I can tell you that I listened to every possible heavy metal song I could get my hands on and played the most violent video games and look here ... who started this thread???

Blaming games and tv and music is the ultimate in blaming others for something that ultimately is the responsibility of the person usually doing the complaining.

I will soon be a father and if my daughter would kill someone I wouldn't try and find which game she played caused the event to happen. Unless she is mentally ill, I would feel responsible for the most part.

baddog 12-15-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19372621)
Fact is the only reason Americans need guns is to protect them from other Americans with guns.

You do not know shit. :2 cents:

I know you find that hard to believe, but you are very ignorant when it comes to this topic.

StickyGreen 12-15-2012 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound (Post 19372689)
I can tell you that I listened to every possible heavy metal song I could get my hands on and played the most violent video games and look here ... who started this thread???

Blaming games and tv and music is the ultimate in blaming others for something that ultimately is the responsibility of the person usually doing the complaining.

I will soon be a father and if my daughter would kill someone I wouldn't try and find which game she played caused the event to happen. Unless she is mentally ill, I would feel responsible for the most part.

I'm not putting the blame solely on video games and entertainment, but I believe they play a part in the conditioning of young people's minds.

I don't think people just wake up one morning and they are "mentally ill homicidal maniacs" all of the sudden, it is a process over time influenced by many outside variables.

Rockhound 12-15-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19372692)
I'm not putting the blame solely on video games and entertainment, but I believe they play a part in the conditioning of young people's minds.

I don't think people just wake up one morning and they are "mentally ill homicidal maniacs" all of the sudden, it is a process over time influenced by many outside variables.

I believe people are predisposed to be a certain type of person and here are 2 examples:

1. A rich kid that has great parents and the best possible upbringing but has a need to try drugs and goes heavier and heavier until who knows what...

2. My own cousin, we both watched wrestling together as children. Every single time Hulk Hogan would come out my cousin would rip his shirt. Same as every time we watched the hulk ( green monster ) on tv he would cut open his pants to rip them. He later on went on to be impulsive and out of control. That was the way he was and ended up on the wrong side of the law and in jail due to bad decision over bad decision. I was sitting right next to him watching the same shows and never would have considered ripping any of my clothes.

Si 12-15-2012 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19372690)
You do not know shit. :2 cents:

I know you find that hard to believe, but you are very ignorant when it comes to this topic.

He's not actually.

Exposure works in more ways than one. This is just one. If you never heard of a person killing someone else, breaking into a home, etc. would you buy a gun? No, simple answer.

Exposure is obviously reporting on the news, the news is the latest on what is happening in society, and society has a long way to go and needs help. So there ya go.

If you never heard of a gun or someone being killed with one, would you need a gun? No.

The problem with an arguement is nobody wins, so I don't really want to get into another one tonight.

Anyway, the only reason weapons exist is to try and gain an advantage on someone. If we didn't feel need to do that, we wouldn't need weapons. I personally don't feel that need.

buzzard 12-15-2012 10:39 PM

... Why do you open your fucking mouth about owning guns?

Rockhound 12-15-2012 10:48 PM

I didn't start this thread to start shit so please if I did , Sorry. I wanted to understand something that deep down I couldn't. Just in the replies you see how passionate some of you are on the subject. What I was looking for was answers without emotion. Smart people telling me why they own one. I guess I'm no closer to understanding...

bbni2012 12-15-2012 10:54 PM

For self defense! Where I live I dont trust hardly anyone and a lot of houses get broken into.

charlie g 12-15-2012 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound (Post 19372717)
I didn't start this thread to start shit so please if I did , Sorry. I wanted to understand something that deep down I couldn't. Just in the replies you see how passionate some of you are on the subject. What I was looking for was answers without emotion. Smart people telling me why they own one. I guess I'm no closer to understanding...

Bullshit. You have plenty of answers in this thread. Either you are too stupid to understand or you have an agenda. I think it is you who is emotional about this subject.

Si 12-15-2012 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound (Post 19372717)
I didn't start this thread to start shit so please if I did , Sorry. I wanted to understand something that deep down I couldn't. Just in the replies you see how passionate some of you are on the subject. What I was looking for was answers without emotion. Smart people telling me why they own one. I guess I'm no closer to understanding...

No one yet understands it. Don't beat yourself up.

Why are we still fighting and killing people over stuff that doesn't matter? Nobody knows.

Rochard 12-15-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 19372630)
i agree 100% with this statement

If we had a law that said no guns in a household with someone who has autism, multiple personality disorder, or is on medication and the mother followed the law, she would be alive today, and her son would have been prevented from doing this, plain and simple.

Rochard 12-15-2012 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19372692)
I'm not putting the blame solely on video games and entertainment, but I believe they play a part in the conditioning of young people's minds.

I think video games has a part in it. Clearly the majority of us will play video games and never ever kill anyone. However, if you play video games and then are mentally ill, even if only mildly... That's where the problem is.

Rochard 12-15-2012 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound (Post 19372651)
So far the answer that comes most is "to protect my home" so I have to ask this question then:

If you knew 100% for certain that the person breaking in doesn't have a gun and has never even used one or even held one... would you still want to own one to protect your home?

Having a gun does not always mean you will be able to stop the person who broke into your house. Making the decision to shoot another person and potentially take their life is a life changing event, and some people are just unable to cross that line. You can go to the range every weekend to fire your gun, but when it happens in the middle of the night you are confused, adrenaline kicks in, your knees get weak, your vision gets blurry, and it's a hard thing to do.

Everyone says they can do it, but when it comes down to it most cannot.

I saw someone shoot another person once. After the first shot the shooter locked up, and became completely incoherent.

Something else you need to think of is the legal issues. Common sense dictates that if someone breaks into your house, you shoot them. However, if even someone breaks into your house you just killed an unarmed man and you will sued in court by a spouse or child or what not, and for right or wrong... You'll spend the next ten years fighting legal bullshit in court - When all that was needed was a freaking alarm system.

Dirty F 12-15-2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bbni2012 (Post 19372721)
For self defense! Where I live I dont trust hardly anyone and a lot of houses get broken into.

Funny how all you people seem to live in the same shithole neighbourhood full of rapists and murderers. I would move yesterday.

Dirty F 12-15-2012 11:17 PM

I don't need a gun to defend my house, my family and stop a tyranny from happening. Neither do 99% of the other people in western countries. Except for people in America. Funny.

baddog 12-15-2012 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19372701)
He's not actually.

Exposure works in more ways than one. This is just one. If you never heard of a person killing someone else, breaking into a home, etc. would you buy a gun? No, simple answer.

Exposure is obviously reporting on the news, the news is the latest on what is happening in society, and society has a long way to go and needs help. So there ya go.

If you never heard of a gun or someone being killed with one, would you need a gun? No.

The problem with an arguement is nobody wins, so I don't really want to get into another one tonight.

Anyway, the only reason weapons exist is to try and gain an advantage on someone. If we didn't feel need to do that, we wouldn't need weapons. I personally don't feel that need.

If I never heard of a gun? How about we stick with reality.

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19372734)
If we had a law that said no guns in a household with someone who has autism, multiple personality disorder, or is on medication and the mother followed the law, she would be alive today, and her son would have been prevented from doing this, plain and simple.

Okay, you obviously know little about autism. Typically, an autistic might act out in the moment if they felt personally threatened rather than concocting and carrying out an elaborate revenge for some perceived past injustice.

StickyGreen 12-15-2012 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19372753)
If I never heard of a gun? How about we stick with reality.

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Rockhound 12-15-2012 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 19372722)
Bullshit. You have plenty of answers in this thread. Either you are too stupid to understand or you have an agenda. I think it is you who is emotional about this subject.

Why do you act like you are defending something, I asked a question , I didn't accuse anyone of anything and in case you didn't notice I haven't passed judgement on anyone here who said they owned a gun. But thanks for the gratuitous insult.

Oh and by the way, wanting to understand something isn't a sign of stupidity it is a sign of wanting to learn about something you don't yet understand. Did you know what you know before you knew it? I don't think so. Here is your participation medal.

charlie g 12-15-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound (Post 19372767)
Why do you act like you are defending something, I asked a question , I didn't accuse anyone of anything and in case you didn't notice I haven't passed judgement on anyone here who said they owned a gun. But thanks for the gratuitous insult.

Oh and by the way, wanting to understand something isn't a sign of stupidity it is a sign of wanting to learn about something you don't yet understand. Did you know what you know before you knew it? I don't think so. Here is your participation medal.

I am not defending anything. You asked a question and it was answered. Now, either you are too stupid to understand the answers or you dont want to understand. I have a feeling you were not looking for real answers in this thread and the thread was rhetorically written (why do you primitive yanks want to be John Wayne type of euro sentiment).

So, I will give my answer to your question since I still am an American.

Self Protection- As a father and husband it is my duty to protect my family. My home has deadbolt locks on the doors. I have a very expensive monitored security system. And I have a gun. If the locks fail or the windows are broken the security system is armed. Alarms go off and the police are called. Now, if someone is still trying to enter my home the next line of defense is a handgun. For me, this is how I protect my 2 children, wife and myself.

I do not go prowling the streets olooking for evil-doers. I am simply a man fulfilling my responsibilities to my family.... legally. Do I feel threatened or am I a paranoid person??? No. But I can not ignore the remote possibility that something may happen and I must be prepared.

Rockhound 12-16-2012 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 19372780)
I am not defending anything. You asked a question and it was answered. Now, either you are too stupid to understand the answers or you dont want to understand. I have a feeling you were not looking for real answers in this thread and the thread was rhetorically written (why do you primitive yanks want to be John Wayne type of euro sentiment).

So, I will give my answer to your question since I still am an American.

Self Protection- As a father and husband it is my duty to protect my family. My home has deadbolt locks on the doors. I have a very expensive monitored security system. And I have a gun. If the locks fail or the windows are broken the security system is armed. Alarms go off and the police are called. Now, if someone is still trying to enter my home the next line of defense is a handgun. For me, this is how I protect my 2 children, wife and myself.

I do not go prowling the streets olooking for evil-doers. I am simply a man fulfilling my responsibilities to my family.... leagally. Do I feel threatened or am I a paranoid person??? No. But I can not ignore the remote possibility that something may happen and I must be prepared.

Never mind what you feel I was thinking and leave your insults to yourself, we were having an intelligent conversation until you came along but thanks for your answer non the less.

baddog 12-16-2012 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 19372780)
Self Protection- As a father and husband it is my duty to protect my family. My home has deadbolt locks on the doors. I have a very expensive monitored security system. And I have a gun. If the locks fail or the windows are broken the security system is armed. Alarms go off and the police are called. Now, if someone is still trying to enter my home the next line of defense is a handgun. For me, this is how I protect my 2 children, wife and myself.

Do you live in a really bad or really good neighborhood? The security seems slightly excessive for the burbs. Just wondering, not judging.

Dirty F 12-16-2012 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 19372780)
No. But I can not ignore the remote possibility that something may happen and I must be prepared.

The thing you have to worry about most is not criminals entering your house, criminals attacking your family or the government turning into a tyranny but some random moron with a gun shooting you in the face because of road rage. Or some random guy with a gun in a bar who you get in an argument with who shoots you because he is afraid you might have a gun and might use it. That is the state your 3rd world country is in. Your country isn't a shithole because of the criminals, every country has those, but because everyone and his retarded brother has a gun and is told every day they have the right to use it.

Dirty F 12-16-2012 12:08 AM

I live in a country where only criminals have guns. And when i look at the US i am damn happy with it. I wouldn't want it any other way.

charlie g 12-16-2012 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockhound (Post 19372782)
Never mind what you feel I was thinking and leave your insults to yourself, we were having an intelligent conversation until you came along but thanks for your answer non the less.

You think you were having an intelligent conversation??

Your question~ Americans, why do you own a gun?
My answer(as an american)~ For protection.
Your comment~What I was looking for was answers without emotion. Smart people telling me why they own one.


I have not insulted you yet because I was giving you the benefit of doubt. I think you are removing that doubt every post you make.

charlie g 12-16-2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19372784)
Do you live in a really bad or really good neighborhood? The security seems slightly excessive for the burbs. Just wondering, not judging.

I live about 15 minutes from downtown Atlanta in a fairly nice neighborhood. You do not have to go very far to reach some very bad places.


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