Right, and your neighbour also needs a gun because next to him lives a guy with a gun. And ofcourse he has to be able to protect himself.

You people really don't see it, do you?

My neighbor is happy I own a gun and I am happy he owns a gun. I am not a criminal franck. I do not break into peoples houses. My neighbor never has to worry about me breaking into his house to kill him while he sleeps or rape his wife whilehe is tied up watching. I know these type of things never happen in europa because everyone is civilzed there.

You're a retard who knows nothing about Americans.

I got my first gun when I was 11 or 12 years old to go hunting.

My grand father, father, uncle, and step-father all had guns. All hunters and military veterans. Not one of them was afraid of other Americans with guns. Fear of other people with guns wasn't even something anyone thought about. You had guns because you enjoyed hunting, shooting, or just collecting them, but most of all, because you grew up around guns and that was just a logical thing to have. Guns are part of American culture and often passed down from father to son. I even own a mint condition Civil War musket which has been passed down through our family since the war.

It's just unstable people and criminals who cause problems with guns. Both of which stem from either mental issues, bad parenting, a lack of parenting, and the media's glorification and sick obsession with violence. Guns are no more a problem that cars, knives, or rocks. Broken people are the problem. Not objects.

That said, if you want to own a gun to protect your family, there is nothing wrong with that. If the police and military can carry guns for their protection, then the average Joe should be allowed to do the same. In a perfect world guns wouldn't exist but you can't allow one group to have them and deny everyone else. Get rid of them all or allow everyone to have them. I'd rather hunt with a compound bow anyway.

No, Frank,,it's you who really doesn't see it.

It seems as if you would be happy being a victim of crime. Americans aren't wired that way. If you break into my home, I might lose, but I won't die in the corner crying like a little girl.

It's unfortunate we live in a world where we even have to be concerned about things like crime. But we do, so I will be as prepared as I can justify.

Why do you refuse to understand that you are more likely to get shot by your neighbour who thinks he sees a criminal late at night while you are searching for your car keys than a criminal entering your house. All those guns in your society are the true problem. Not that criminal who you most likely will never encounter in your life. Your fucking neighbours have guns! You should fucking worry about that!

I'm gonna stop explaining it.
Seriously, you're a bunch of fucking idiots.

We have this thing in America. It's called *language*. Someone knocks on my door. I don't get out a gun and shoot through the door. Rather, I say...who is it?
Same goes at night in my yard. My dog barks...I turn on the lights..I say outloud.

Who's there. If it's my neighbor Bob.. he say's. It's Bob. If it's not Bob, I will ask who are you and what do you want? If I get no response. I would haul ass back into my house, call 9-11 and hope you don't decide to kick in my door and enter my home. And if you do enter my home after being warned..I will be damn glad I have a 12g marine shotgun.

If you think that Americans shoot first and ask questions later then you would be the fucking idiot.

I don't own a gun for the same reason I don't play the lottery. Lousy odds.

I guess you are starting from you. (underage looking girl with something much bigger coming into her mouth then on my avatar).

As I've said, you all live in constant fear and paranoia from criminals, attackers or whatever.And reason for that is that you don't know who is armed. Like someone there said, you should afraid of mentally sick people. And how do you see on time that they are ill? Oh..I know, once they get into schools or malls and kill dozens...well,problem solved, there is always some also armed to kill him.Solution is not in arming, but stopping people have guns.I don't know a single person in this world who can can't be irritated enough and avoid to use guns at some point and that can happen to anyone.One more reason is why I don't want to have gun. What I often see is enormous brutality of american cops because they are in constant fear that someone is going to kill them. All that fear,paranoia and stress are making separate and very serious type of social problems, but you need some brain to see that, at first place.... you guys are not aware what having guns really means and where ti can lead in situations of sudden collapse (from riots to natural disasters)

But will your gun defend your family while you are at work and your kids are at school? Will your gun defend your family when you are out shopping and your kids are at the mall Christmas shopping.

Nope.

We have the right bear arms, and we have 250 MILLION firearms in the United States. Yet whenever one of these shootings take place no not one of those 250 MILLION firearms are used to take down the shooter.

The odds of you shooting your one of your own family by mistake or by accident is much greater than you ever being confronted by a gunman.

The brothers had not seen each other in 2+ years. Stop reading everything as fact.

You are so wrong. I doubt you can find one person that has a gun because their neighbor does. You are a pretty good guy, but some things you are completely ignorant about.

I remember the first time I went to AMS and a bunch of us were in some restaurant that had the TV on. It was some American cops and robbers, shoot em up show and it suddenly became evident why some of the EU residents on GFY had this perverted idea of what life in the US is like. The point being, turn off the TV, it is not reality.

Not entirely true. Many potential mass murders have been averted by people with guns. Here is an article with a few examples:

When mass killers meet armed resistance

This thread is no place for facts. :2 cents:

I'm just reading what the news article reports. This is what the brother said. Chances are this is something that affected this kid for the past decade, not just the past two years, and the brother was well aware of it.

We have 250 million firearms in the US, yet it's very rare that a civilian takes out a shooter.

You may recall that the initial news reports named the wrong brother. At some point you have to take initial reports with a grain of salt.

Where did those weapons come from? I think the armed civilian is a double edged sword, you have these brave and level headed people that really can make a difference like in that article. Then you have the people who obtain them legally to cause others harm.

It's just as rare that someone goes on a mass shooting spree. Most of the murders in the US are gang related or innercity youths shooting each other.

Yes they are. Guns are made to kill. Cars and most knives are not.
Also, USA try to block other countries from getting nuclear weapons - too risky if someone crazy got it. Same thing with guns.

Guns are made to shoot bullets. Nothing more, nothing less. What you shoot at is up to you, should you choose to ever pull the trigger. It could be argued that some bullets are made to better harm the object they are hitting, but no one ever argues about the bullets. Guns simply turn bullets into lethal projectiles. But I could kill you just the same with a bow and arrow, a slingshot and a rock, a hammer, a sword, a butcher knife, a broken bottle, a brick, or my hands. It doesn't matter what something was designed for, all that matters is how it is used.

Because we are all brain warped

Everybody knows that Canada is only still around because the US protects it from harm. (Haiti could kick your asses)
The US is still around because it's people are armed to the teeth and the powers that be haven't figured out a fast plan to enslave US. (YET)
They are working on it though.

Too many stunts like the shooting last week and most are willing to give up their guns willingly.

The 2nd amendment ain't about duck hunting!!!!

:2 cents:

I've been to Switzerland and through it a few times. A very nice and civilized country with a high level of prosperity, a tradition of toleration of ethnic differences, and a population almost exclusively of just one race. Same with say, Canada. (Yes, I do know about Quebec and the history of repression against French speaking Catholics there. Canada deals with the built-up pressure by conceding a separate, legitimate society.). Many of the European nations are ethnic states built on common blood and language, and with enough socialism so that the disparities of income and class are comparatively modest, better hidden than they are here, and the different strata don't come into as regular contact as they do in our urban centers, shopping centers, and along our urban freeways.

The United States is none of those things. If you are born here, even of parents present here illegally, even of tourists, you are an American. Because of a history of slavery and another history of coolie peonage, and another history of fairly unregulated borders with Mexico, we are a multiracial society with several cultures co-existing. One of the ever-present themes of our society is that anyone can go as far as their abilities will take them, and that wealth and prosperity are here for the taking. The reality is perhaps at least a tiny bit different from that. We are bombarded with messages of consumerism and expensive ways of spending our money wherever we go. Jealousies fester here. Especially in ethnic ghettos among children and teens raised in one-parent households where the buzz on the street and the affluence of the local drug dealers communicate more dramatically than anything a well-intentioned single mom might have to teach.

The result is much misunderstanding, hatred, violence, and often crime on a scale unimaginable in most of civilized Europe. There are large numbers of persons here who feel excluded from the good things of our society and undertake to take what they understand to be their share by stealing from one another, from people of other races, and raping women of different races, all to get what they think they are owed. The Bobbies in London were traditionally unarmed and in the context of that society it worked. The same in Detroit, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, or South Florida would be an absurd number of dead cops. The social terrain and the risks of violence are substantially different here. It is a smart idea to keep reality in mind. Those who aspire to change men into angels - from Marx and Lenin, to the religious Prohibitionists, to the anti-porn crusaders, to the leaders of the war on drugs to those who think that laws about guns will reduce senseless murder, are people who wish to change people and the world rather than to come to terms with certain realities about people and the realities of the culture that those people inhabit

Everyday life in the US is not unsafe for the large majority of people in most places. But the potential for very serious, lethal or life changing crime is present anywhere, and in many circumstances, it is absurd to travel in some places at some times without a backup plan against a car jacking, a mugging, a rape, or the like.

I therefore cheer the decision last week of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals that the Illinois law criminalizing armed self defense outside the home violates the constitutional rights of Illinois people to defend their lives.

I use mine to kill ground squirrels. They can be a real problem on the ranch.

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Great post. :2 cents:

lol, I think Franck might be a bigger troll than JohnnyClips... what a clown...

Law breakers aren't going to worry about breaking the law to obtain guns if they were illegal

Yeah, but all afternoon, while I was out of the house, I kept thinking that I'd left three important things out of my answer.

1. Drugs. A very large number of people here in the US have self-medicated themselves, usually for anxiety or depression with addictive narcotic drugs and are hooked - American law is simply death on drugs - possession of any quantity of anything but weed is a felony in my state, possession, not dealing. As a result, drug prices are hugely inflated - and the physical and psychological need to acquire them at any price hugely fuels much of street crime, shoplifting, prostitution, you name it. If they sold for the price of the common, uncomplicated, generic drugs, that they are, in drugstores, a huge amount of crime, including much violent crime would disappear - and along with it, the danger that gun owners want to protect against. Nobody ever tallies this up in the price of the war on drugs, but along with erosion of our civil liberties, it is part of that price. Turf wars for the sale of illegal drugs generate most of the homicides in Chicago, innocent kids get killed, and the climate of violence increases. (I didn't want you to think that all the violence comes from racial strife because that's not true. A big part of the danger we feel about becoming crime victims emerges from those do-gooders who want to transform men into angels by abolishing drug use through legislation. It doesn't work, and our personal safety is victim to the well-meaning spirit behind drug laws. Desperate criminals of all races are created by these laws.)

2. In our urban centers, the schools pretend that guns don't exist. Despite the fact that a nearly irresistible allure for them is created by movies, TV, and music. Nobody outside the farm counties and states ever learns about them and skills and acquires a healthy respect for them unless they join the military. Nobody outside those places ever gets trained in marksmanship till some of them join the service. Another reason why so many innocent people here, noncombatants in the turf wars, get killed, including little kids asleep in the living room hit by stray gunfire. It happens regularly in Chicago.

3. Finally, distinguishing the US situation from that in other countries, frankly, our national graphic equalizer is set in the direction of distrust and disrespect for authority, while those in Europe are set in the other direction. Both extremes have problems. These attitudes set Europe up for fascism; the opposite attitudes create a climate of anarchy. Mistrust of authority and a heightened sense of individualism are at the core of our values; our constitutional form pits one branch of government against another, believing that none of them can be trusted, in the hope that this will distract all of them from oppressing us; the whole concept of the Bill of Rights is that government just can't be trusted not to become a tyranny without unchanging landmarks of individual rights. We write the word "Liberty" on every coin. Every American educated here, and every naturalized citizen, learns that it was an armed citizen uprising against a lawful but tyrannical government that set us up as a nation. We were settled by the outcasts of other nations, nonconformists who could not fit in and needed more breathing room. All of this adds up to a people who are hard to govern, hard to control, defiant, independent-minded, and maybe just a bit less polite about resolving disputes. Just my kind of people.

zombies.

I found him dead on. Guns are to protect you from the other gun toters. Why else have one? Very few people really hunt. The govt thing is not real to any thinking person. So why is he wrong?

You really believe someone kills a bunch of little children is mentally correct?

I don't understand you, who shoots a fucking gun and crys about it, jezzz, thats whats wrong with my country right there, too many wimps, maby fox news wasn't joking about there one humvie. and I have to hate cause im surrounded by people who dont understand the obvious in human nature which is a Canadians biggest fault!

This is so far from my experience in the states. I own inner city property in the toughest part of a major metropolitan city in the USA and have for almost 30 years. You too isolated if you see the USA this way.

unless you sleep with your gun loaded under your pillow you have a good chance of having your gun used against you in a home invasion.

Anti-gun people, for the most part, are idiots. Guns don't kill people, criminals or untrained people with guns kill people. There have been more deaths from auto accidents than guns, but they're not outlawing cars. Their logic is flawed. I've always been in the frame of thought that an armed society is a polite society. I not only think people should be issued a firearm and receive training, but it should be mandatory by law to carry it openly. If that happened, all of these mass shootings would decrease to almost zero. The reason gunmen attack schools and malls is because they know those are strict no gun areas. They know that no one will fight back and they'll be able to pop off as many rounds as they want.

How come you never see mass shootings at a gun show? It's because even the most deranged person knows their chances of getting off more than two rounds before getting plugged in the forehead is slim to none and slim is on vacation.

What makes me laugh is when hear these people screaming to make guns illegal, but if shit were to ever go down, they'd be the first one sucking someone's dick for protection. Someone with gun. And read up on the shit that's happening in this world...it's fucking scary. Just some of the shit they're doing in the U.S. to prepare for martial law is enough to make someone want to get armed to the teeth. It's not shocking that gun and ammo sales have increased over 1,000% in the past two years, and continues to rapidly increase.

maybe there needs to be a iq test to own a gun. there have been several incidents this year alone in the US where family members were shot and killed accidentally with guns when they were thought to be an intruder or an animal (wtf).

I'm not overly aware of the differences here in Canada, Most people I know own a gun, I know a few people, like my uncle who was a farmer until about 20 years ago, who own a lot of guns, I believe he owns somewhere around 250 guns. But I know we make it hard very for a person to get a handgun, and even harder to make it worth while, (for example, when my brother moved, he had to call the cops and tell them he was moving his handgun from his old house to his new house); and we do not let anyone have a machine gun, at least I believe those are some of the differences.

I live in Windsor, for those who don't know, It's across the river from Detroit, but the downtown cores are right up against each other. Windsor has 215,000 people, Detroit has about 700,000, a little less than 3.5 times the size. Last November, Windsor ended a 27 month long period of no homicides. So between August of 2009 and May of 2012, there was 1 murder. During the same time period in Detroit (3.5 times as many people) there were just under 1000 murders, the homicide rate is is 285 times as high.

also, this 33 month period, where there were 950+ murders in Detroit, this happens to be the period with the lowest murder rate in Detroit in decades.

What you say about Canada is incorrect. Yes, quebec is largely french but there are many french communities outside of quebec but lets just forget about that because if you walk down the street in any major canadian city you will hear just about every language and see people from every ethnicity under the sun. canada is very multicultural.

Regulation is what the government does. There's no need for a citizen to own an assault weapon or large magazines of ammunition and they're going to be banned again. Just get used to it. Some people don't know what is good for them.

I don't know anyone with a gun, but I also don't ever ask someone if they own a gun. I was a member of the NRA as a kid and would shoot guns at the country club where they had a range in the basement. Got some medals and shit. I'd rather there be bans and strict regulations because I don't care if it's the person or the gun: when people and guns come together at the right time, people die.

What did I say that implied that?

That's the biggest issue I have with anti-gun lobbyist. They think an "assault rifle" is a fully automatic weapon. It's not. There are extremely strict laws against fully automatic weapons. You have to have the proper license to even buy parts for an automatic weapon. Regardless if it's a 10 round clip or a 30 round clip, does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? If it's a semi-automatic rifle, the only difference is about 3-4 seconds where it takes the shooter to change clips. 1-2 seconds if the shooter is proficient.

I'm not saying you're in that school of thought, PR_Tom, but a lot of people I talk to who are for gun bans think that you can walk into any gun store and buy a M-60 with a 1,000 round belt ammo box with no problem at all. If anything, I would rather see stricter laws on handguns than I would assault rifles. It's not that easy hiding an AK or AR under your shirt than it is a pistol. You can hide 7-8 handguns in your waistband under your shirt, each one with a 10 round clip. That's 80 rounds compared to someone trying to lug in an AK with 30 round clips. :2 cents:

Yep, and if they dont have a gun it will be something else, your out looked is blocked by your lack of ability to understand human nature. For one, I think its ridiculous for a free population to be disarmed, seems hypocritical to our selfs to call this freedom them since there is no way to truly rise up and defeat abusive governments which is always if you read history the outcome of a civilization . But hey, I just got history on my side.

Simple! Because if someone decides they are going to try and harm my family, I don't believe asking them to wait for 15-60min for me to call 911 and wait for the police to arrive is going to be much of a deterrent...

BTW - Since the whack-job that killed those kids had Aspergers, instead of the guns, why don't we ban anyone with that? Makes about as much sense...

I own several. Always have always will.

I've not said much on this whole school thing, but I have to tell you, there are many, many more of these shootings coming.

Not because guns are going to do them. Because of the way America now raises their children. Mentally ill children. And WE make them that way.

These kids these days are coddled and praised and hand held over every little issue. You lose at baseball game and get tenth place, you get a trophy. You suck at math, someone holds your hand and gives you a cookie and tells you it's ok. You don't want to go to work, you don't have too.

My parents beat my fucking ass when I did things wrong. You know what I learned values from it. When I lost a wrestling match, my parents told me to practice harder and sacrifice things for it. Put more time in. No one rewarded me for losing.

This society is 100% fucked when it comes to raising kids these days. Gone are the days of disciplining kids. You beat a kid these days and you will go to prison. Now they take them to the shrink and pump them full of pharmaceuticals. Then when they short circuit and blow the fuck up no one can understand why?

Welcome to the United States of Entitlement.

I see it every day, and it is going to get worse folks.

Nutbag kids kill people, not guns.

What's broken is parenting and people's respect for one another, not the countries gun laws.

yeah, we need to beat the mental illnesses out of kids. that will work. :1orglaugh violence only begets violence. its a pretty simple concept. the anger and rage in your fathers eyes as he strikes you, the fear and tears in yours and you think thats right and thats love? bullshit.

I'm aware that an assault rifle is not necessarily automatic. Makes no difference to me. These were banned under Bush and we all know (don't we?) that all he had to do was write his signature on one piece of paper to extend their ban, and he didn't. On the day he was scheduled to do it, the senate was locked in a debate about a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. My state senators both used their debate time to show deaths by assault weapons and how it was such a load of shit to be wasting time on a failed red herring by their republican counterparts. But you all know this I'm sure.

It's simple. Gun show loopholes must be closed. Assault weapons need to be banned from citizens, and in fact any magazine or ammo clip of more than 10 bullets must be banned from citizens. Get used to it. It'll be the law soon.

And by the way, if someone wants to tell me how a kid is going to go and kill 30 people with a knife, please do so. I'm all ears. Guns make it amazingly easy to be a fucking pussy and kill children, if you don't see that as a problem then just enjoy yourself and I'll do the same thanks.