I cant argue with any of that. The only thing I can do is try to protect my family and I feel that having a gun in the house is a necessity. It is one of the things I can do to keep violence away from my family. The plain fact is there are guns and I have to plan accordingly for the safety of my family AT HOME.

BTW, wasn't there a german or scandanavian that shot up a bunch of kids on an island?? There are sick people everywhere.

You seem to be wanting an argument and believe me you are providing me with great material for one but I will let you insult as you wish , I for one will redirect this thread towards it's initial purpose and let the users of this board talk and if you think I'm stupid so be it.

I know NOTHING about autism.

My point is this kid - this twenty year old or whatever he was - had MULTIPLE issues. I don't think the autism was an issue here, but chances are he was on medication for that, and that's a warning sign. Might not be a problem at all.

His brother said the shooter had a ?personality disorder? and was ?somewhat autistic". Bingo. "Personality disorder" screams "mental health issues" and screams "medication" and screams "who the fuck allowed firearms into that house"?

If you have anyone in the house who has mental illness, is on medication, or has problems with anger management, you cannot have firearms in the house. It should be a law.

Anyone that sees any kind of doctor or shrink for mental issues gets put on some list - Let's just call it "the can't buy guns list". When anyone is put on that list it should be cross referenced against a list of gun owners. If anyone in his family or same address has a firearm, someone needs to look in this. Then when someone goes for a gun permit, it should be cross referenced against the "can't buy guns list" to see if anyone in their family or address has mental illness problems.

In this case, the mother bought firearms, and the moment the kid got any kind of treatment for mental illness or any similar medication, a report should have come out at the local police station saying "This woman has guns and her son has mental illness, this is not allowed".

I have a friend of mine who is partially retarded, and mentally he'll forever be a seventeen year old. Yet he's allowed to have an AR15 too.

I own many guns for many reasons the main being protection

someday I may have to protect future generations from a tyrannical government

should that day come in my lifetime I WILL take up arms against my government.

Simple as that

I have the same thing. Three doors leading to the outside came with dead bolts, and of course the sliding glass door. I also have a home alarm.

The best part is my dog - a black lab. Not overly aggressive or threatening in any form, but if anything is wrong she does this soft vicious growl. For some odd reason it's the one thing that always wakes me up instantly too.

Are there people who disagree with this? No, no one can't be that stupid.

Good post, but I thought we already had something like this in place? Maybe it doesn't include any household member.

I love dogs and grew up with dogs, but where my life is right now I just don't want a dog. It would be unfair to it because I am pretty busy and wouldn't be able to spend a lot of time with it. Maybe someday in the future, but if I am going to be a dog owner I want to be a good dog owner and my schedule, life and so on don't really make for the right situation right now.

Jack the ripper tore apart a lot of women in London long before there was every anything even remotely like TV and video games.

Humans have tortured, killed and imprisoned each other since the beginning of recorded time. Wars have been started over stolen lovers, lives have been taken simply because people were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The reality is that humans are violent creatures. Some are worse than others. Do I think mental illness plays a role in this? Without question. Are pharmaceuticals playing a role in this? Probably.

All this said, violence among young people is at the lowest that it has been over 20 years so there isn't an epidemic of violence, but we do seem to have more of these mass shootings than in the past.

I actually think it is more the news media fault than anything else. Disturbed individuals see the impact of these types of shootings played over and over on the news. They interview people not really connected with the shootings, the president cries on TV for the victims. I THINK desparate people see this as a way to give their life significance before they end it all. In the past these people probably just offed themselves in anonymity.

I agree with a lot of this. In the past many of these people just shot themselves, but now they see a chance to go out with a bang and be famous and they do it.

I really enjoy shooting and the mastery of proper gun handling as a skill and art. And guns as crafted objects and fine tools are a pleasure.

People that do not know proper gun handling principles and protocols really bug me lol.

I was shooting not that long ago, and there was a guy there who obviously thought he was a big shot, with new expensive combat shotguns - and the IDIOT walked around with the action closed, holding the shotgun horizontally, not caring wether or not the line of the barrel crossed other people's bodies.

It was incredibly dumb. it was an informal situation - if it had been a range he would have been kicked out. I guess I was a gun asshole - I had to tell him, "Barrel up, or barrel down, never let the barrel point at something you dont intend to kill".

Wjy do people not know these basic things anymore? But, my experience is, more and more people have no idea that gun handling principles even exist, much less what they are.

90% of the people are idiots and they are also allowed to carry a gun.

Yet every gun owner calls himself a responsible gun owner. Every single one of them!

Residential crime. I'ts not that complicated.

Already had my car and garage broken into. I would imagine at some point in my life someone will up the ante and try to get into my house. That's what the gun is for.

Other people keep baseball bats under their bed. I'd rather keep my distance.

It's easy to sit behind a keyboard and live in some idealistic make believe world where bad things never happen to people. Mass murder is not unique to America.

I have weapons for only one reason. Protection. Hopefully, I can live my entire life and never have to use one. I feel the same about all my insurance policies. Why risk injury or loss of property when the insurance policy is cheap.

I don't live in USA, but in my uncivilized country ( yes,I think it is uncivilized as every country out there where most of people think that is normal to have guns somewhere at home and live that way), there are much more deaths when kids take parent's gun or when people use it during some argue (actually almost never heard that gun in house helped anyone). And answer that you are having it because of protection is idiotic and it is clearly showing global fear and paranoia made precisely by letting people to have guns. I would never want to have gun because there are tons of situations where I can't control myself. I don't when take screwdriver in my car to avoid using it and later be sorry for a lifetime. Also, I don't want to destroy my life with idea that I am ready to kill someone and to feed that state of consciousness. I am leaving that to uncivilized people stupid enough to live in peace and appreciate that.

For some strange reason I read your post in a Russian accent. :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I am not sure if he is pro gun or not. His avatar is interesting tho. That avatar is exactly why I keep a gun in the house, because there are sick fucks out there.

oh, 100 stupid fucking uncivilized American gun loving assholes.

Right, and your neighbour also needs a gun because next to him lives a guy with a gun. And ofcourse he has to be able to protect himself.

You people really don't see it, do you?

My neighbor is happy I own a gun and I am happy he owns a gun. I am not a criminal franck. I do not break into peoples houses. My neighbor never has to worry about me breaking into his house to kill him while he sleeps or rape his wife whilehe is tied up watching. I know these type of things never happen in europa because everyone is civilzed there.

You're a retard who knows nothing about Americans.

I got my first gun when I was 11 or 12 years old to go hunting.

My grand father, father, uncle, and step-father all had guns. All hunters and military veterans. Not one of them was afraid of other Americans with guns. Fear of other people with guns wasn't even something anyone thought about. You had guns because you enjoyed hunting, shooting, or just collecting them, but most of all, because you grew up around guns and that was just a logical thing to have. Guns are part of American culture and often passed down from father to son. I even own a mint condition Civil War musket which has been passed down through our family since the war.

It's just unstable people and criminals who cause problems with guns. Both of which stem from either mental issues, bad parenting, a lack of parenting, and the media's glorification and sick obsession with violence. Guns are no more a problem that cars, knives, or rocks. Broken people are the problem. Not objects.

That said, if you want to own a gun to protect your family, there is nothing wrong with that. If the police and military can carry guns for their protection, then the average Joe should be allowed to do the same. In a perfect world guns wouldn't exist but you can't allow one group to have them and deny everyone else. Get rid of them all or allow everyone to have them. I'd rather hunt with a compound bow anyway.

No, Frank,,it's you who really doesn't see it.

It seems as if you would be happy being a victim of crime. Americans aren't wired that way. If you break into my home, I might lose, but I won't die in the corner crying like a little girl.

It's unfortunate we live in a world where we even have to be concerned about things like crime. But we do, so I will be as prepared as I can justify.

Why do you refuse to understand that you are more likely to get shot by your neighbour who thinks he sees a criminal late at night while you are searching for your car keys than a criminal entering your house. All those guns in your society are the true problem. Not that criminal who you most likely will never encounter in your life. Your fucking neighbours have guns! You should fucking worry about that!

I'm gonna stop explaining it.
Seriously, you're a bunch of fucking idiots.

We have this thing in America. It's called *language*. Someone knocks on my door. I don't get out a gun and shoot through the door. Rather, I say...who is it?
Same goes at night in my yard. My dog barks...I turn on the lights..I say outloud.

Who's there. If it's my neighbor Bob.. he say's. It's Bob. If it's not Bob, I will ask who are you and what do you want? If I get no response. I would haul ass back into my house, call 9-11 and hope you don't decide to kick in my door and enter my home. And if you do enter my home after being warned..I will be damn glad I have a 12g marine shotgun.

If you think that Americans shoot first and ask questions later then you would be the fucking idiot.

I don't own a gun for the same reason I don't play the lottery. Lousy odds.

I guess you are starting from you. (underage looking girl with something much bigger coming into her mouth then on my avatar).

As I've said, you all live in constant fear and paranoia from criminals, attackers or whatever.And reason for that is that you don't know who is armed. Like someone there said, you should afraid of mentally sick people. And how do you see on time that they are ill? Oh..I know, once they get into schools or malls and kill dozens...well,problem solved, there is always some also armed to kill him.Solution is not in arming, but stopping people have guns.I don't know a single person in this world who can can't be irritated enough and avoid to use guns at some point and that can happen to anyone.One more reason is why I don't want to have gun. What I often see is enormous brutality of american cops because they are in constant fear that someone is going to kill them. All that fear,paranoia and stress are making separate and very serious type of social problems, but you need some brain to see that, at first place.... you guys are not aware what having guns really means and where ti can lead in situations of sudden collapse (from riots to natural disasters)

But will your gun defend your family while you are at work and your kids are at school? Will your gun defend your family when you are out shopping and your kids are at the mall Christmas shopping.

Nope.

We have the right bear arms, and we have 250 MILLION firearms in the United States. Yet whenever one of these shootings take place no not one of those 250 MILLION firearms are used to take down the shooter.

The odds of you shooting your one of your own family by mistake or by accident is much greater than you ever being confronted by a gunman.

The brothers had not seen each other in 2+ years. Stop reading everything as fact.

You are so wrong. I doubt you can find one person that has a gun because their neighbor does. You are a pretty good guy, but some things you are completely ignorant about.

I remember the first time I went to AMS and a bunch of us were in some restaurant that had the TV on. It was some American cops and robbers, shoot em up show and it suddenly became evident why some of the EU residents on GFY had this perverted idea of what life in the US is like. The point being, turn off the TV, it is not reality.

Not entirely true. Many potential mass murders have been averted by people with guns. Here is an article with a few examples:

When mass killers meet armed resistance

This thread is no place for facts. :2 cents:

I'm just reading what the news article reports. This is what the brother said. Chances are this is something that affected this kid for the past decade, not just the past two years, and the brother was well aware of it.

We have 250 million firearms in the US, yet it's very rare that a civilian takes out a shooter.

You may recall that the initial news reports named the wrong brother. At some point you have to take initial reports with a grain of salt.

Where did those weapons come from? I think the armed civilian is a double edged sword, you have these brave and level headed people that really can make a difference like in that article. Then you have the people who obtain them legally to cause others harm.

It's just as rare that someone goes on a mass shooting spree. Most of the murders in the US are gang related or innercity youths shooting each other.