Great... and what does that have to do with anything?

I'm sure authentic terrorist plots like that carried out by Timothy McVeigh take a lot more planning and determination than 95% of these mass shootings we hear about on a monthly basis. There is simply no comparison.

It has to do with the fact that you and your group want to ignore the fact that there are hundreds of millions of weapons in the hands of the people.

What is your plan for that?

How about this, I will make the offer to you and the rest of your gang in this thread to pay your plane tickets and lodging to come to the US and start collecting all those weapons that are already in the hands of the people. You will start on the south side of Chicago.

I'll even pay you $100 cash for every gun you collect.

stupid fuckers

NANNY STATE... not a police state. You know. A country where you don't need to risk anything to prosper. A nice safe place where the government will take care of you.

since the NRA blames movies, games and porn instead of weapons - should we rather ban those?

They don't have the authority to do that. :2 cents:

Really? No bad guys huh? You are living in a fantasy world if you actually believe that.


I have an idea; go fuck yourself. What part of "haven't seen press conference" do you not comprehend? The NRA does not have the authority to set up armed guards at any school.

So I guess your attitude is "this situation is so fucked up it doesn't have a solution" ?

or what about the national register of mentally ill people?

(we germans do have some experience with that)

it obviously doesnt keep them from announcing it - but like you said: you havent seen the press conference

What has changed over the last decade or so that has caused all these school killings? It isn't the availability of firearms.

I'm not a member of the NRA.. But to answer your question. Assault weapons need to be banned. Large clips of ammo need to be banned. Much better screening to even purchase a gun should required. And before taking possesion of a gun, some type of minimum training and an annual test should be required.

Movies..should younger kids be able to watch KILL BILL and then sit down and play violent video games for hours on end? Porn...don't be silly. Of course not.

Society is more fucked up than ever, that is something we can agree on.

The NRA can say they want to do it; does not mean they have the power/authority to do it.

How about a psychological evaluation? I'm serious, is that too much to ask?

You're so concerned about new gun sales, that's what

Ok, how about two jets hitting a building?

No comparison is in your head, reality is that these people that do this are not average citizens, they are nut jobs that want to hurt people. You want to take away law abiding citizens means to protect themselves. Those nut jobs love you, you make it easy. Mass killings make up less than 1% of the murders in the US and most are done with a .38. Criminals prefer a weapon they can conceal, hard to conceal a AR-15. But then most people that complain about guns in the US have no experience or knowledge of guns

In a word, yes.

What is the solution then? You keep spewing garbage like you think you know what you are talking about.

I am willing to put my money where my mouth is to take care of the weapons that are on the street. You have these great convictions, take me up on my offer. Be a part of solution. Any loudmouth can identify problems.

Not in the Obamacare budget, I mean really, you want an evaluation of every citizen in the US that owns a gun?

The scope of violence in America will take a turn most can't even imagine if there is any type of forced confiscation of firearms. Without such measures there will still be more firearms than people so the problem won't disappear.

I'm not being a gun nut, I'm just being realistic about Americans and their guns.

What part of *better screening* didn't you get?


You say you are a writer. Doesn't being a reader go hand in hand with that?

I am not in favor of taking anyone's right to defend themselves. I simply think it should be MUCH more difficult for someone to buy a gun.

Sure you guys have all the experience and knowledge when it comes to guns, that's why a public place gets shot up every 20 something days.

He should try driving thru Texas with a sign on the side of his car saying he's going to take their guns away from them!

i can actually agree to that, i learned by now that guns will never go away completely.

i also think we need even more sex and less violence :winkwink:

i still think its absurd when i see people being killed on Youtube which every 7 year old can access nowadays - but god forbid you show a naked female nipple

You said you wanted to hear solutions, I offered one. Sorry I didn't understand "physiological evaluation" when you said "better screening" it's not exactly implied.

You want my AR-15, during the LA riots it was the perfect weapon to use in deterrent. It had a 30 round magazine.
How does my experience equate to public places being shot up?

you keep missing my point from that post - which was not if the NRA has any authority or not.

You guys aren't familiar with the gun laws in California, they screen more than other states and more guns are not allowed here than any other state. When they came out with the Brady bill, we already had that.

I'm having a hard time right now keeping from laughing at the people that want to put doctors in charge of who gets their constitutional rights. Considering most in the field of psychology have to see others in the same field

the NRA is a money machine, they raise a lot of money to bend the ears of politicians. What I like about them is their youth training courses. Train kids the right way to handle a firearm.

Of course the last time congress went after assault style weapons, Diane Feinstien was in charge, neglecting to tell everyone she had a carry permit from San Francisco. She said she gave that up, I doubt it

yeah, thats perfect, wouldnt want a kid with an assault rifle in a school who doesnt know how to use it...










(that was sarcasm btw)

She probably carried a 44 magnum...and certainly knew how to use it.

A transcript of the press conference is here.

i believe its ssri's effects on developing brains. the medication of children has gone out of control since the mid to late 90's. the majority of school shooters were unstable kids who were medicated with a number of different meds. add in a violent gun culture with easy access and the media who is always looking for the next infamous killer.

why would it be? i would say all future guns to be purchased will come with an additional charge where a brief psychological analysis as well as looking into any history of mental illness and what medications the user takes or has taken in the past. seems that would weed out a lot of the risky people.

This is what we did when we found out that owning a gun did not stop us from being burgled 5 times and my mom from being mugged .. We left South Africa ..

The security measures in peoples homes in parts of SA are just beyond belief and even they dont stop crime and killings.

The USA will end up the same in the end, because most South Africans thought that guns would stop somebody from entering your house and either stealing your stuff or killing you. Guess what it doesent.

Our solution was to leave the country like so many South Africans have done now, Now we dont have bars on our windows, a 6 foot iron fence with spikes on the top nor security gates or a gun in the house. and you know what it was the best thing we ever did.

The problem is even with a "so called" assault rifle ban it's still easy as hell to get them "legally". In the past before the ban expired, you could still buy what they called "pre-ban" guns & or pieces of those guns.

Example you could buy a lower receiver that was made b4 the ban went into place and build a new gun around it that was considered pre-ban. Added to this the law was a joke anyway.

You could still buy an AK47 or M-16, ect..ect.. but it was limited on certain aspects. Things like barrel length or you could have this mod done but not combined with this one.. ect..ect. Just about the same guns were bought legally under the "Assault rifle ban" as with out the ban.

This is one of the reasons I don't think banning the guns or trying to restrict certain types will work. There are so many out there already, that there will be too many loop holes in any new law that will still allow people to have them.

We need to look more at licensing, education & sentencing.

The problem with that is it still wont stop the sensational mass shootings like this as the average killers in these cases can probably get a gun legally any way. However these mass shootings as bad as they are tend to be rare, so we should in reality be focusing more on the thousands of other deaths that happen by firearms.

Get the guns on of the crime ridden areas by licensing & strict mandatory jail time if you get caught with a unlicensed gun or are a criminal caught with a gun. There was a very interesting article I read the other day about the Mayor of Baltimore and how he focused not on drugs but gun crimes and he cut the city's murder rate in half in like a year or two.

thats the thing dude.
are Americans really willing to pay the price for their AR?
(and the price is innocent people and children murdered by some loner guy who happened to be able to arm himself to the teeth with readily available AR's and ammo)

just so folks like you can say they are armed for the day when the poor or desolate people will up rise and so you can defend themselves.
i am pretty sure you can defend yourself with a handgun.

If you want to actually save lives the quickest and easiest step would be ending cell phone and texting while driving. These multi tasking idiots cause far more deaths than loaner kids shooting up schools.

How is that statement wrong? How about "the only thing that stops a bad buy with a gun is laws that prevent bad guys from getting guns".

It's just common sense at this point - You can either prevent bad people from getting guns, or you can shoot them with a gun after they've already killed a few people...