The other day they broke their silence and said they would have something meaningful to contribute. So nothing?

haha you americans and your guns.

land of the free!!!!

i have read your other posts and i agree with every one of them.

the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun

this is a really really poorly thought out plan.

1. the bad guy can still first shoot the good guy (columbine hs scenario)
2. the good guy can inadvertently misinterpret who is the bad guy and shoot innocent people.
3. the good guy can have a bad day (say his wife left him and got child custody, he might no longer be the good guy).

You can not prevent bad people from getting guns any more than you can prevent someone from buying crack. :2 cents:

isnt that illegal already? It is here, $150 fine or so and loss of demerit points on your driving license. Its a fair law I think, very dangerous thing to do.

And what makes a bad guy? The fact that he's BREAKING LAWS ? What makes you think he will obey gun laws? A sense of community responsibility? Seriously criminals are criminals because they don't obey existing laws.

so by that logic crack should be legal?

Good idea, so when they lose the plot they'll be able to kill even MORE people!

wow ?..

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that is actually what "we" think sometimes too :1orglaugh

if there is no point to restricting guns because bad guys will get them anyways then there is no point in making drugs like crack or heroin illegal because people will get them anyways as well. thats the logic that baddog was using.

The premise that the time to stop a bad guy is when he's got a gun is the problem.

Don't fall for that premise and you're on the right road.

Fall for that premise and you're on the road they've set you on.

You mean that people break laws?

That must be metric system logic.

its all about attitude, Switzerland, 1 gun per citizen. Killed by guns per year around 5

This is true, but think what would happen if we focused our attentions on gun/violent crimes over drugs. Instead of handing out 5 and 10 year sentences to people caught with drugs, how about handing those same sentences out to people whom are found with a unlicensed/unregistered gun, or in the hands of someone with a past criminal record.

(assuming the US govt made all guns owners be licence & all guns be registered)

Eventually the amount of guns in the wrong hands would start to then out.. :2 cents:

I disagree.

In this case, we should have a law about having firearms in a house with people who have a mental illness. Common sense, right? This woman had her son who has a long history of mental illness and no one ever ever said "Gee, maybe he shouldn't have access to firearms".

Maybe we should have a law that says "If your firearm is used to commit murder, you will be sentenced along with the person who pulled the trigger". Maybe that would make people think twice (or three times) about failing to secure their firearms.

Maybe we should have a law about people with anger management issues and firearms. My old neighbor was arrested twice for spousal abuse, yet there is no law preventing him from owning a firearm. It wasn't much of a problem - right up until the point he chased his wife out of the house firing shots at her.

This is just common sense here. If you get a DUI they take away your driver's license. Right? (They should take away your car too if you ask me.)

How about this for a law... In order to own a firearm, you must have a gun permit. If you convicted of assault or abuse or robbery or rape in any form, your gun permit is revoked and you must IMMEDIATELY turn in any firearms to local law enforcement. Same thing if there are any mental illness issues - No gun permit for you, and anyone you live with. Period.

I'm sorry, the NRA just told us we need to arm our teachers. Great. What about shopping malls, plazas, restaurant, government offices, businesses, colleges, churches and temples, hotels, resorts, and any tourist location.... Then keep in mind that's not going to stop a gunman from killing people, but only gives us a chance to take out the shooter after he's killed.

i get what you mean but your logic is faulty. you think restrictions on guns won't stop people from obtaining them illegally. laws on drugs don't stop people from using them. by that logic if laws against guns are useless so are laws against drugs.

Total prevention is a false goal anyway. Locks make it hard, but not impossible, to open a door.

since George Takei just posted this... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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What makes a bad guy? In this case, someone with access to firearms the desire to kill dozens of people for no reason.

We can't stop him from being a bad guy or having mental health issues, but at the very least we could have prevented him from having direct access to fire arms. Maybe if we had a law about people having firearms in a house with mental health issues, the mother wouldn't have had firearms?

Maybe we don't always need to stop the bad guys from getting the guns, but instead stop the good guys from handing him the guns. If this kid did not have direct access to firearms that morning, he might not have killed anyone.

You keep saying the same thing. I will keep saying the say thing.

What about the 100's of millions of guns already out there?

I'm not sure if it is fair to compare Switzerland to the United States. That's sort of comparing New Jersey to Russia.

Then again, maybe we should be more like Switzerland - don't they have compulsory military service? We should do that here in the US - everyone who turns nineteen has six months of military training.... Just like they do in Switzerland!

Yeah, since there's already 100 million guns in circulation, it's too late to do a damn thing. Just like when we banned ozone depleting propellents from spray cans. It never happened because what about the 100's of millions of cans already in peoples homes and on store shelves? Like when there's poison found in food. There's just NOTHING that can be done about it. Nothing. So stop trying.

Very valid point.

Anyone who currently owns a firearm would have to get a gun permit. They would have to go through the standard police checks as they do now, as well as be cross referenced with local hospital / doctor records for mental illness issues.

I am disappointed this isn't in place already.

We should also be having a huge discussion about mental health issues and why they aren't being addressed also.

Ok, Mr Smart Guy..I've already said my position on guns. What's going to be your position when the next mass murder happens because the victims had no way to protect themselves?

Guns do not stop mass murders. Guns do not stop somebody from beaking into your house.

Just like guns did not stop farmers from being mudered over in former Rhodesia, All farmers owned both hand guns and rifles but it did not stop so many of them from being murdered.

My dad owned a gun and it did not stop us from being burgled 5 fucking times or my mom from being mugged.

Until you are put into a situation where somebody enters your house whether they are armed or not you have no idea how you will react or what the outcome will be, and more than likely they will kill you first no matter how many guns you own.

The USA or South Africa or Mexico will not get any better until they take guns away from people.

I lived in a gun culture for 18 years and I would never want to go back to living like that again.

I am glad we now live in a country where gun crime is very very low and I dont have to have bars on the windows or high security fences and gates.

Do yourself a favour go and live in SA and take all your guns with you and see how far it gets you if you ever get into trouble over there.

Well said, I look forward to their replies.

Idealism won't save the next group of children or shoppers or movie go'ers.

Its not idealsim its what happens when so many people own guns and life means nothing to a lot of people.

In the last few months we lived in SA, my dad got so paranoid he ended up sleeping with the gun under his pillow and almost shot the next doors neighbours maid. He fired at her in the dark and luckily he missed.

If thats how you want to live then so be it, but to me I would never want to live like that ever again.

I would say most people who own guns sleep better at night because of them, even if they never fire them.

That may well be but its a false sense of security. Out of the 5 times we got burgled 3 of them we were not at home thank god The other two we were and my dad did not even have a chance to get to his gun.

When my mum got mugged my dad had his gun on him and did not a have chance to take it out, it happend so fast.

And arming children and Christmas shoppers will not prevent madmen from shooting people in public places.

Might not of stopped them from coming in my home, but I know they would not of left on their own 2 feet.

or you wouldn't. the more guns there are in a society the higher the chances a criminal will have one. less guns = less illegal guns = less criminals that have them. all illegal guns start out as legal guns at one point.

people who have a gun under their pillow or their bed are afraid someone if going to enter their house UN-invited.
dont tell me for one second this person sleeps better than someone who feels safe in their home and neighborhood.

No, it is idealism. You think that the world would be a better place without weapons. And I do agree with that. The realism is, the world is not a nice place and it has weapons. Many millions of them.

After the next mass shooting occurs we can discuss it again. Do you think those victims would rather have you there with your idealism of how the world could be a better place or someone who knows how to use a weapon. Keeping in mind, those victims have a ZERO chance to start with.

Rochard, no one is talking about arming children. We are talking about guards or a few select teachers that do take basic firearm training.

isn't it idealism that is attempting to just that?

Yeah but it is TO LATE!

Didn't the UK ban guns in 1997?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html

Here's a mini 14, it's not considered an assault style weapon
http://images.rockwellarms.com/Produ...Ruger/5816.jpg

yet shoots the same ammo and can use the same size magazines. a little education