you can control it . liquor is controlled, drugs are controlled. How many drugs stores are there in this country? To buy fucking cold meds you need to give them your license but for 6000 rounds its too much of a problem.

I've gone thru 1000 rounds in an afternoon shooting with my daughter, not that hard.

Yet the democrats insist no one needs a ID to vote?

Yet Chrystal Meth use is growing, anyone can get liquor, yet the politicians will tell you that getting out your ID is going to fix the problem and people believe it. People go to the range and blow away boxes of ammo each time they shoot, that's why many reload their own ammo. I've seen guys get 6 rounds out of a single action revolver faster than I can get out of a semi auto

oh shit, I see I went over 12k posts

Of the 32,000 gun deaths in America gun murders account for about 9,000.

The vast majority of these deaths are suicide and those would probably happen no matter what

There is about 500 - 600 accidental shootings

Most of these gun deaths can be attributed to failed drug policies. Infact the murder rate has dropped steadily in the USA over the past 20 years

That is great to hear. I know you and I have our differences, but seriously the NRA is a terrible organization.

They could have gained a little respect by acknowledging the latest shootings, admitted that the second amendment is out of date and needs to be modernized, etc.

I don't own a gun and never will, but I fully respect the rights to anyone to own guns. This isn't the problem.

The problem is that the NRA uses fear to drive people into a frenzy to buy more and more guns, more powerful guns, and more ammunition. They push for laws which many outsides like myself consider insane.

Yes, the core of the NRA was to promote responsible gun ownership. This core, healthy belief though was lost a long time ago. They have failed at their jobs, and the current head of the NRA, is a total embarrassment not just to the NRA, but to Americans in general. The speech (not a press conference) he gave today was one of the worst things I had ever heard. How anyone could remain a member after that is beyond me.

I think we need to get the kids off all these damn drugs that doctors prescribe to them

it sounds like you are judging an organization and Americans based on a speech by one person. Charlton Heston, he believed we have rights, he personified the core beliefs of the NRA which is still responsible gun ownership, He also believed in equal rights for everyone and proved that by marching with MLK, this is still something that is passed down from responsible parents to their children, My daughter loved shooting with me at the local range and looked bad ass with a M1 Carbine with a Bayonnette on the end. You getting in here and telling me I should be embarrassed because of something someone said I don't know belonging to a group I have nothing to do with adds nothing to the conversation


For the record, I get more fear reading about what my government is doing over what the NRA is saying

what does that have to do with little children being shot multiple times?

by the way,columbine had a armed guard working during the shooting there.

So the problem is video games, music, the media, prescription drugs, gun free zones, god not being in schools, every fucking thing under the sun except guns.

All the things listed above are also in every country on the planet and they don't have the gun violence we have. Explain that one.

That would be the first thing I would look at

It seems to be an overriding trend that in these mass shootings the shooter was on some sort of medication.

But I am sure the pharmaceutical companies are more than happy the conversation is about AR 15's

Why do you think showing an id for cold medicine is doing anything about curbing meth use in this country? It's getting worse. Same if they do this with guns, just like when they did it for Alcohol.

I never said anything about armed guards, I don't think that's a viable answer

All I know is kids smoked pot when I was a kid, now they are on anti depressants before they hit puberty. That shit fucks up your brain chemistry. We had this big war on drugs and did it help? NO. People are on more medication now than ever. Meth is on the rise and that crap causes the heat in your body to rise cooking your brain.

I believe in proper gun regulations, (licensing, background checks, being held accountable if you don't store your guns properly and they are used in a crime, and heavy penalties for improper operation) but I think banning AR15's is not going to accomplish anything.

The fact of the matter is that Chicago had 435 homicides last year, mostly due to gang violence over the drug trade. This number would have been the exact same with an AR 15 ban.

The culture of gun violence goes way deeper than a quick "We'll ban assult rifles" fix

Don't pay attention to him, he's a moron. Some people don't get that a gun is an inadament object, it has no will of it's own, more people die from misdiagnosis from doctors every year than from guns, so with their reasoning, doctors are next.

What a great comment at that link :

When you buy a gun in the US, do they have to be registered?

If so, then a gun amnesty / buy back is not impossible at all.

In Australia, gun owners are required to have a safe and the police swing by randomly to check where your guns are kept - they make sure they are in a secure location.

Along with all guns being registered / gun amnesty / buy back etc all happened with no big problem. However there isn't much of a gun culture over here.

You're blaming box cutters and doctors and I'm the moron.

Whats next? You going to bring up that the Spanish had cannons on their ships?


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Logistics would have to be bad too, considering all the open country you have there, new guns have to be registered, there is a waiting period before they can give you the gun and a background check. Most states require a gun safety course unless you have a DD214

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there are shithole parts of chicago i would never want to live in whats your point go live where the trash lives ?

not interested in living anywhere thats that fucked up dont matter what country it is as far as im concerned most of africa is a shithole to be avoided.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...src=most_viral

114 people have been killed by guns since newtown happened last week.

out of 312 million, I can accept those numbers

of course 2,030 people died from prescription drugs approved by the FDA in the same amount of time

http://www.naturalnews.com/036599_gu...gs_deaths.html

very hard to kill someone using a voting ballot
very easy to kill someone using a firearm

guess you never heard the phrase, the pen is mightier than the sword?

if he cant give obama a kick regardless the topic,he isnt happy. lol

it take multiple people to "kill" someone using a voting ballot
it only takes one person to kill someone using a gun

Furthermore, that quote refers to the greater power one can achieve by appealing to people's minds, rather than the power one can achieve by using weapons against others.

it is considered a high velocity round, due to the relatively light weight projectile and high energy load. it basically explodes on impact.

to be used on the range, no ammo taken home.
rules are rules.

1. Schools are already very hard hit. Many elementary schools no longer have a nurse, librarian or computer teacher, cant imagine they can afford a security guard.
2. I would be concerned putting a vet from say Afghanistan in as a security guard at a school, he might be slightly trigger happy?

and that is no problem, buy the ammo at the range then, and leave it there.
the range has safe storage.

agree 100% - this has to be examined and dealt with.

again why would we not want to limit those numbers, just because smoking, drugs and and the common cold may kill more people doesnt mean those people involuntarily dead from gun violence couldnt be a much smaller number, just by doing what common sense dictates:
ban on assault weapons and assault ammo.
thorough back ground check on new gun owners
buy back / amnesty for current legal owners of AR's (unless they have a very specific reason/license to own one of these weapons)

happy Christmas folks.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh not hard with assault rifle, try something else

The NRA is the mouthpiece of the US gun manufacturers. Nothing more.


ps. I'm a gun owner and believe in a strong 2nd amendment

No, high velocity rounds do not explode on impact unless designed to do that. .223 are either hard or soft or hollow, big difference on what happens when they hit

What I read implies they don't follow that rule

I agree, pissed me off to see the under funding in schools as a parent. They didn't even have PE in High School
My range was on BLM land, no storage


not as long as the pharmacies have anything to say about it

Did you see the picture I posted of the mini 14, does the same thing as an AR-15, same ammo, same capacity. Yet it's not a assault weapon. Like most in this thread, the politicians know jack shit about guns, assault ammo? the .223 is a tiny bullet used for hunting varmits

i am also..
what i dont understand is why the NRA gets so much "time" on the news media.
if the media reduced the NRA to the level of press time they deserve then they would become much less important. personally i dont give a shit what NRA says or thinks, its basically a grass-root organization with strong lobby activity.
NRA members especially those in DC should be brought to public attention and who is behind sponsoring them.

it's a semi auto, just looks like an assault rifle. and that's not the only guns I shoot. I have flint lock horse pistols. I would rather be shot with an AR than one of those

What I find ironic is the NRA is a conservative organization and mostly supported by the right.

So what do they propose?

Let's spend $5 BILLION in taxpayer money (and that's conservative estimate) to put police officers in every school. Oh yea, let's have more federally funded law enforcement officials. TSA really worked out (umm..NOT).

One universal truth is when people are scared, they will happily give up their rights and hope the government protects them from the boogie man.

Any organization that's protecting a constitutional right deserves to be heard, sorry you think rights can be thrown away so easy without thought

NRA has more members than you think they do and have more going on than you think they do, they have been around more than 100 years. Brought to public attention? Now were on witch hunts? You really have a problem with freedom?

What I don't get is the time the news spent on the shooter, who gives a fuck?, Do you? why should we, he was a coward and should be dumped in an unmarked hole and forgotten.

thanx, I feel I'm better off protecting myself than relying on the police for anything

They arent protecting constitutional rights, they are protecting gun sales.

It will cost more than five billion dollars. On the local news here in Sacramento, California, they just reported it would cost at least one billion dollars. That's one state - granted, a large state, but still only one state.

That's the thing JP, it's not a grassroots organization anymore. It's been totally co-opted by the gun manufacturers.

A strong majority of NRA members are in favor of some tightening of gun laws (assault weapons, background checks, no guns for crazy people), but the leadership doesn't care. They're paid servants of the gun manufacturers.

Exactly this.

25 percent gun, ammo and gun license tax. Like a sin tax on liquor and cigs. A school protection tax.

True, This! ?
Beneath the rule of men entirely great
The pen is mightier than the sword. Behold
The arch-enchanters wand! ? itself is nothing! ?
But taking sorcery from the master-hand
To paralyse the Cæsars, and to strike
The loud earth breathless! ? Take away the sword ?
States can be saved without it!

have you never read the stories of the 3 musketeers and Cardinal Richelieu who tried to take over France by disarming the country of the Musketeers?

My kid's school has a nurse that comes to school once a week. I find this stunning.

Although I agree with an additional tax on firearms sales...the argument against that is it is illegal to tax a Constitutional right.

but basically this gun has the characteristics of an assault rifle and hence should be banned. if you need to shoot varmits you can buy a 22LR.
you know the .223 is an assault type ammo.

give up what rights?
and dont we pay the government, police, military to protect us all from the boogie man?
perhaps one area we should leave to professionals and give them the tools to keep everyone out of harms way and make everyone feel safe so there is no need for a gun in the car..

I have to pay to register my car. Why don't we have to pay to register firearms?

Why do we need a license to drive a car, yet we don't require a license to own a firearm?

Are you trying to make an analogy to armed US Citizens taking up arms against the US Government?