I don't think there are many people really sleeping with them under their pillow. In a nightstand drawer, sure.

In fact, they did... So let's look at the stats shall we?

From your article...

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

That's it?

In the UK you have 51 gun deaths in in 2007, compared to thirty thousand on average in the US?

In the UK, only 6% of homicides involve firearms. In the US, it's 60%.

Yes, gun violence has increased over a two year period which not surprisingly took place during a world wide recession, yet even during this increase gun violence is still a lot less than in the US.

I'm curious to know what you think would stop a bad guy with a gun?

Not considered an assault rifle yet oddly enough looks a lot like the M1 carbine, which is what the US used to fight WWII.

Yep let's ban porn! Oh wait, I forgot this was an adult forum! Silly me :oh crap

So, anyone here supporting the NRA, is also supporting a ban on the adult industry?

Ok guys, you carry on with that, Us Europeans will be happy to have a bigger market share :thumbsup

You can't pay for everything, cops at every school now.
Bush gets a terrorist attack and the only thing he claims for his legacy is another one didn't happen on his watch. Well, look at the economy! Nice Legacy.

Terrorists commandeer a plane with knifes on 9/11 and suddenly guns are the largest issues.

take the guns from the criminals, then we can talk. Until then, not going to wait for thne cops while the alarm is going off. Put an NRA decal in your front window and you have just lowered your chance of a break in. Put a silhouette target with a bunch of holes in it and the phrase, Burglars wanted, Inquire within, now your chances of a break in have lowered even more.

About 10 years ago, there was a fire near my folks house in Northern California, My step dad was driving to the house where my mother was. The cops had a road block up that prevented my stepfather from getting to my mother. He had a 4X4 Dodge and drove around them and they chased him, when he rolled down their drive way, the cops saw my mother loading guns into the back of her car, they decided to let my mother and my stepfather stay on the property till they wanted to leave, which they did and the cops pressed charges, THEY LOST. The cops think they are the power out there but they are public servants. No one has the right to take you off your property like that. Just glad they didn't shoot at my mother.
Same neighborhood 32 years go, the I-5 killing hit 2 doors down while my stepfather was working nights. My mother was a mess for a while after that and walked around the house with a shotgun at night for a few years. They live in the country.

If you feel safe from all the evils of the world and don't like guns, no one is making you get one, unless you live in that county down in the south. I had an asshole walk up behind me a couple months ago and smash a beer mug in my face. While they were stitching me up, the cops asked for a description of the guy. I gave it to them and they arrested him two beds over in the ER, his hand was all cut up from the glass. I went to the arraignment, called him a coward and told the judge he was safer in jail. He was out on parole for two other acts of violence, one to his wife. He was 6'3" , just as big as me. You really want to know what the fucking problem is? It wasn't guns, it's about a fucked up system we have! Banning guns will do nothing but make people hide their guns.......

Shoots completely different, Mini 14 .223 is a rifle round where the carbine is a 30 caliber pistol round.

There are over ninety thousand public schools in the US.... So the NRA wants us to hire 90k people trained to use firearms by January 2nd?

Um, who is gonna pay for this?

I'm a gun owner and supporter of the 2nd amendment, but decals telling the world you own guns DOES NOT make you safer. In fact, it makes you more of a target to potential thieves ("hey, this guy has some guns..let's break into the house when he's not around." Most gun owners I know never advertise that we own guns, as we don't want them to get stolen.

As for gun bans, they won't work in light of the fact that there are already 300 million guns out there. Banning guns will be just as effective as Prohibition in the 1920s. Alcohol was banned because it was responsible for the pain and suffering of many. But the problem; the demand is insatiable, therefore it didn't work. The same thing with guns. Just foolish to bring up gun bans.

As for armed guards in schools, who the fuck is going to pay for that? Sounds like TSA 2.0 if you ask me. I'm not jazzed about my kids being around a mall rent-a-cop who thinks he's George Zimmerman. So if we are talking about putting trained black-ops type guards at our schools, someone is going to have to pay for that shit.

And the NRA blaming movies and videos games is just stupid. They had a chance to step up, and whiffed BADLY.

That's a very good singular example right there.

Any more similiar examples to offset the carnage caused by guns?

As has been pointed out, many schools already have this in place. I guess they would need to figure out how many DONT have this in place already, count backwards and go from there.

Ask the parents of kids in these schools if this is something they might want to have in place. What do you think the parents of those dead kids in CT would say?

Oh my god today really must be the end of the world. Im in perfect agreement with you :)

9/11 , they used box cutters

yes and they tightly control the sale of ammo. I think its only 50 rounds per person pretty much for life

There are approx 6m unemployed. As we discussed the other day. Look at the current unemployment rates of veterans.

NRA Press Conference:



Lucky somebody didn't shoot him... :upsidedow

:smilie_we

ADG

Didn't take long.. I wonder how many other innocent people would've been shot if the police hadn't shot him?



HOLLIDAYSBURG, Pa. (AP) — A man fatally shot a woman decorating for a children's Christmas party at a tiny church hall and killed two men elsewhere in a rural central Pennsylvania township Friday before he was fatally shot in a gunfight with state troopers.

If 12,000 people a year were being killed by maniacs with box cutters I'm pretty sure they would be a lot harder to get than guns are now.

Yes, just what we need. Minimum wage mall rent-a-cops with a George Zimmerman complex patrolling our schools with guns. I'm not sure the best argument is, "let's hire all the poor unemployed folks in this country to patrol our schools with guns."

Assuming 100,000 schools at $50K a pop (not including benefits), and you are looking at $5 BILLION.

Even if you know what you are doing, it takes a little while to break into a gun safe that's anchored down. I have never had a gun stolen, no one in my family has had a gun stolen. I have had one burglar break in my whole life and the burglar was chased away by my neighbor who pointed a gun at him.

Really - I thought that the truthers decided that a load of stupid ragheads with box cutters could not possibly hijack 4 planes and fly them through US airspace into their targets ?

The problems isn't the caliber, the magazine size, silencers, or anything else they want to ban, this type of ban will never work.

The problem is that there is a large number of Americans who are extremely paranoid and are on the edge of mental collapse.

Having an armed guards would be great for American schools, it would endoctrinate an entire generation to live in fear of the "bad guys". These kids will have no problem signing up to fight the "bad guys" on the other side of the world when called upon.

A lot of folks don't have gun safes (I have two, a large Superior Safe and a bio-safe next to my bed). I've known many folks who have had guns stolen (mostly from their cars).

I just think it is a bad idea to put those decals on your home or car, ESPECIALLY those that say, "I shoot first ask questions later" type of decals (as they can complicate any self defense claims you may need to bring. Guns are valuable commodities, and thieves will target you if you advertising that you have a lot of expensive weaponry in your home or car. Most gun nuts I know (and I know many) NEVER advertise their gun ownership to the general public.

$5b...the federal government spends that every 12 hours.

Who is talking about minimum wage rent-a-cops..I have said more than once, that our veterans are ending their terms of service with the military and finding no jobs.

the problem is the recent shootings werent criminals. I think you want to buy 6000 rounds of ammo, someone should ask why do you need that? someone buys a shitload of guns quick, they should be asked why do you need all these guns?
We could cut gun ownership in half dont ban it but make a law for mandatory training for 4 weekends a year. Such a great responsibly is treated way too lightly.

not true, they can buy all the ammo they want at the gun ranges and the country has over 3,000 gun ranges

Better circle this date. The odds of it happening again are less than 50% :winkwink:

I've never been confused with being normal. I spent time at the local gun range teaching the cops how to shoot better.
There are ways short of having a safe to keep your guns safe. I didn't always have one

Oddly - none of the parents in Newtown, CT were invited as guest speakers.

you can control it . liquor is controlled, drugs are controlled. How many drugs stores are there in this country? To buy fucking cold meds you need to give them your license but for 6000 rounds its too much of a problem.

I've gone thru 1000 rounds in an afternoon shooting with my daughter, not that hard.

Yet the democrats insist no one needs a ID to vote?

Yet Chrystal Meth use is growing, anyone can get liquor, yet the politicians will tell you that getting out your ID is going to fix the problem and people believe it. People go to the range and blow away boxes of ammo each time they shoot, that's why many reload their own ammo. I've seen guys get 6 rounds out of a single action revolver faster than I can get out of a semi auto

oh shit, I see I went over 12k posts

Of the 32,000 gun deaths in America gun murders account for about 9,000.

The vast majority of these deaths are suicide and those would probably happen no matter what

There is about 500 - 600 accidental shootings

Most of these gun deaths can be attributed to failed drug policies. Infact the murder rate has dropped steadily in the USA over the past 20 years

That is great to hear. I know you and I have our differences, but seriously the NRA is a terrible organization.

They could have gained a little respect by acknowledging the latest shootings, admitted that the second amendment is out of date and needs to be modernized, etc.

I don't own a gun and never will, but I fully respect the rights to anyone to own guns. This isn't the problem.

The problem is that the NRA uses fear to drive people into a frenzy to buy more and more guns, more powerful guns, and more ammunition. They push for laws which many outsides like myself consider insane.

Yes, the core of the NRA was to promote responsible gun ownership. This core, healthy belief though was lost a long time ago. They have failed at their jobs, and the current head of the NRA, is a total embarrassment not just to the NRA, but to Americans in general. The speech (not a press conference) he gave today was one of the worst things I had ever heard. How anyone could remain a member after that is beyond me.

I think we need to get the kids off all these damn drugs that doctors prescribe to them

it sounds like you are judging an organization and Americans based on a speech by one person. Charlton Heston, he believed we have rights, he personified the core beliefs of the NRA which is still responsible gun ownership, He also believed in equal rights for everyone and proved that by marching with MLK, this is still something that is passed down from responsible parents to their children, My daughter loved shooting with me at the local range and looked bad ass with a M1 Carbine with a Bayonnette on the end. You getting in here and telling me I should be embarrassed because of something someone said I don't know belonging to a group I have nothing to do with adds nothing to the conversation


For the record, I get more fear reading about what my government is doing over what the NRA is saying

what does that have to do with little children being shot multiple times?