Reason number 1 I don't allow it.

Who are you??

That's right. I don't know you and most others around here don't either really know you so I don't hand out passes.

Do you know how many of the big pirate site owners post here on GFY? Several have been outed already and I'm sure there are many more.

Each person/company can run their business any way that they like but I caution people about handing out passes for any reason.

If you don't like it, you don't promote my sites and we all move on with our day. Its simple really.

I don't mean you Webmaster Advertising just using that as a general term.

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I agree and honestly, that is exactly what I do, its nothing bad against any specific program, it's business. More people should do that and not worry about how much money they're going to be making.

I know typically (yes there are fluctuations out of my control) what each of the sponsor programs I promote will make me on average, as well as my own sites, each month.

Oh and as Beaner mentioned above, customers DO forget to cancel, for whatever reason, if you can make them forget and not cancel within the first 2 weeks of their membership, then you can be pretty certain they'll rebill at least once, maybe twice more.

If you hit them for a multi-month membership and they don't cancel right away, you've struck retention gold... I have actively rebilling members on a site I built over 2 years ago still rebilling each month, even though they have never been inside the members area after the first week of purchase.

Likewise on mobile sites, if you get someone to join via their cell phone (meaning that is how they check their email) if they don't cancel right away, you have them for at least 3 months, longer potentially.

Working in adult is all a numbers game, you have to have the metrics available to you in order to understand that, I believe that is a problem a lot of affiliates and some site owners have though, they only pay attention to their ratios and not the important stats that actually matter, you can't deposit a ratio.

Sorry i missed this one. Awesome advice Beaner!!
But can I do it myself manually or do I need to get our good friends and collegues over at CCBill to do it for me? :)

You can do it. Go to emails, customize, remove the recurring price description.

No reason to beat the customer over the head numerous times they are getting charged this, and will rebill at that, in however many days. Enough is enough.

They need to know login info. and whatever else YOU want to tell them.

Your question has been answered. :thumbsup

We have been doing that for over a decade. I can certainly say that it works. :2 cents::thumbsup:winkwink:

Getting anyone to sign up and pay AT ALL for a porn site is an accomplishment these days. Let alone having them rebill.

I quit the biz around the time you joined, 2008/2009. I still read forums and keep up on stuff, but as you said, the 'golden age' is over. The signups died off dramatically in the last half of the first decade of the 2000's.

In my case i went from earning six figures steadily for 8 years straight, to barely making it into 5 figures the final year i ran my sites. And i did have a lot of exclusive content and steady updates. But as others have said, nothing beats free.

Several things came into play in the mid 2000's to account for the dropoffs. More widespread high speed internet meant more people could join sites and download all of their content in a matter of days, then quit.

Torrent sites became more popular, as well as blogs with links to direct downloads of pirated scenes etc.. and more people educated themselves on how to use them and realized they didn't have to pay. So really to get any rebills is a feat in and of itself as that means you had a signup to begin with.. lol

Having feeds did increase retention for us but it also increased support headaches so there is certainly a trade-off going on there; however, keeping the members happy is the name of the game so we still have them.

I saw a dramatic increase when I instituted feeds on the advice of a webmaster here who had done the same and saw the same increase in rebills. These feeds update every dingle day, and have mass libraries of content in all niches. In fact, when I myself login to any of my Members Areas I'm blown away by all the stuff I haven't seen yet - and they're my sites! LOL

So I keep the feeds. They're maybe a couple hundred dollars a week, all total, so it's worth it when we're talking hundreds of Members rebilling.

If you do things right, more people are going to signup and stay if you have 700+ exclusive scenes (like both our Gay Life Network & Blake Mason do now) than if we had say only 48 scenes to last six months (as there are two updates per week). People love digging through a huge archive of videos as much as they look forward to the latest update.

fitty Bigger rebills :Graucho

People are going to signup based on what they see in the tour, not the members area.

I never said people wouldn't stay if you keep continually adding to a members area, I said you'd have a much bigger profit margin if you cycled through the content rather than adding new stuff every week, fortnight, month, etc...

For me I run my businesses to make a profit, if i can cut back and not negatively affect how much income I make, I'm going to do it, especially in this economy where companies need to save where they can to remain profitable.

We also have "levels" in this business, or at least I have noticed them with my own company and with others I have seen. In other words, there comes a point where you lose as many Members as you gain new ones so you "level off".

This can be differant for everyone (differant levels) but I've definitely seen it. So I think if you have reached a "level" cycling through existing content makes sense. But if you see a steady increase in rebills over time, every month, then not only should you be adding as much content as you can you can now theoretically afford to do so.

Finding that balance is key. I have some sites that no matter how I try to grow it I seem unable to while others grow naturally or organically, amost despite my efforts. LOL

Looks like you are the only one to even comment on it. Off the top of my head I think the site is called polldaddy.com and you get so many free polls and it works very well. Lots of options and such.
Nobody would believe me if I posted my rebill numbers back when I was active with the paysite. Everything was about the members. They wrote all the scripts and or ideas for every video & even paid to make it custom for them (using their name or whatever)
Fan signs were big, personal emails & phone calls.
Seems like you have to give them what they cannot get for free today. That should always be the case

Rastan.... I also had a coming soon page where I would try to post something people would wanna see. If I had a new model her pictures were always on that page and after a few would start emailing or bitching when she was going to be in the members area I would update it with her. That one always worked well

Wasn't there an entire site a few years back someone was trying to get up and running where ALL of the content was 'custom' as in the members specifically ordered custom sets and the guy charged them $1k plus for the privellage on top of the regular membership costs?

You dont use rebills just cross sale there ass in the beginning wont have to worry about drops

I think your rebill rate for 2012 is about average for most people. The only sites I've seen with higher have been large niche-concentrated user-submitted sites (fresh content, along with real interaction)

But great thread...!!!

Smaller dicks I tell you, Mr. Peabody ...

Your suggestions are awesome! The Poll idea is great and will get on that. I don't shoot content myself (anymore) so have to work with content providers/producers so asking Members to get involved, in my case, would not really work. I could not deliver on what Members wanted and that would be bad. LOL But interactivity seems to be key.


Any smaller and I'd be into micro-niches. :D