Originally Posted by Shotsie (Post 19443977)

I don't understand it either. What France should do is bring back guillotine executions like the good old days. Set up a guillotine right in front of the Arc de Triomphe, and when a rich Frenchman announces that he wants to renounce his citizenship, you drag him out there and chop his frog eating French fucking head off, chop his cock off, shove it in the mouth of his severed head, and give all his money away to the homeless... and you let the bums piss and shit all over his dead, headless corpse. And rape his asshole with stale baguettes if they want. Kill two birds with one stone: you don't have to worry about collecting taxes from 'em, and you don't have to worry about 'em leaving the country. And you broadcast it live on TV, too.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19444155)

Sitting at the beach for free is very easy to do. We have public parks and public beaches for exactly that reason. Getting *basic* public housing, nutritious food, preventative healthcare, security and distractions is also already possible. We provide food, housing, healthcare, security and some distractions for more than 6 million Americans right now.... every single one of them are in prison. That's 760 out of every 100,000 citizens in our country. What if we provided slightly better conditions for people who don't commit crimes instead? It doesn't cost a whole lot to put people in a safe, clean apartment building with a nutritious food pantry and an NFL game on television. In fact it would cost a tremendous amount LESS than it costs to put those same people in prison.

We are too caught up in who earned what, and should instead by trying to maximize efficiency as we provide basic subsistence living for all citizens regardless of their contributions to society (as long as they aren't causing problems for others).

Being poor doesn't need to be punitive anymore, and being wealthy wouldn't be hampered nearly as much by the poor if society took a paternal view of people who are less fortunate and made caring for them cheaper rather harsher.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19444165)

I was going with the first choice on your list. A good start would be the democrats :winkwink:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19444176)

a one world commune is the only answer to the future's problems. the elite are resource hogs sucking up clean water, land and energy. we need to do away with them for the greater good of the collective whole. everyone has a job to do and everyone benefits equally as all these jobs fit into one giant puzzle that is human life on planet earth. chasing paper and foolish material possessions is just a distraction to keep you busy while your resources are raped and your body destroyed with toxic over-processed foods. get off the hamster wheel, rise up and lets all take what is rightfully everyone's.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19444175)

The biggest logistical problem with #1 is the 2nd Amendment (one of the reasons I favor it). It's hard to round up the poor and incinerate them when most of them have a shotgun in their closet. That, and for many of us a moral problem exists as well.

Also as a side note, You would want to start with people in the Tea Party, not the Democrats. Per Capita the Tea Party backers bleed 'the system' much more than any group of Democrats. So when you turn your factory into a makeshift death camp... be sure to launch your campaign with a Kid Rock concert to lure in the proper target audience on an economic basis. :winkwink:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 19444300)

About That Overpopulation Problem

"Research suggests we may actually face a declining world population in the coming years."

Originally Posted by purecane73 (Post 19443641)

When was the last time America was invaded? Foreign policy is no excuse to be the watchdog of the world.

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19444200)

Saddam had the solution.. without any scorched earth stuff going on. Seriously, in theory your position about over population has merit. At the rate the population is growing in time I can see Player Piano occuring,assuming nothing changes. But after so many years of traveling, I have been to lot of places where technology is generations away from having any impact.There are so many regions where entire countries still live in huts. It's probable that population controls could easily reverse the trend in North America and Europe like it has in Japan.

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 19444300)

About That Overpopulation Problem "Research suggests we may actually face a declining world population in the coming years."

Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19444365)

Good article, thanks for posting it.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19444402)

Those numbers seem reassuring but they are ethereal and may change in either direction unless we actually do things to fortify them. For example, get the church to stop telling people condoms come from Satan and start supplying them for free in the third world. Watch impoverished overpopulation and STD rates fall dramatically overnight. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19444397)

Fortunately I don't live in those countries. I'd like them to have basic subsistence level necessities as well, and if they did they would be far less likely to start wars and pursue military strength.

Originally Posted by ajrocks (Post 19443801)

I'm taxed at 50% up here in Canada, that's just income tax... I'm thinking about earning less money this year, I'm tired of paying for welfare mothers to stay how and have babies. We also pay for the health care of half of India. Socialized Health care is a joke! They take 50% of my money for it, or I could get good health care in the US for $500 bucks a month.

Originally Posted by geedub (Post 19444428)

Third worlders use condoms? That's a good one.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19444430)

That sounds nice. But we have all the creature comforts in the world...and we start more wars and pursue more military strength than ANYBODY in history. :(

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19444475)

We have a military that is profit motivated because it is increasingly disconnected from the will of the people. Defense contractors and their lobbyists pay the government to go to war. Haliburton made bank when their former CEO was Vice President during the run up to the Iraq invasion. Our populace is not overrun with war mongers, our government is decreasingly representative of our populace. Put meaningful campaign finance reform in place (including the reversal of Citizens United) and watch how peaceful we suddenly become. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19443539)

defense can't really be cut that much except for the damn stealing and padding involved.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19444468)

The equation for making it happen is fairly simple:

Education - Organized Religion = Progress

Originally Posted by TheFootMan5 (Post 19444494)

I don't understand, if you're going to have a tax just make it flat like 10% or 15%...

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19443503)

It appears from a lot of the political discussions you see on GFY that you have a decent segment of the population who want to tax the rich at 50-90% (like the good ole days of the "New Deal") and then the others who think a flat tax is a solid long term solution.

At what point does raising tariffs, cutting defense, and the government hand outs factor in to the discussion?

:helpme

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19443717)

taxes have been going down for years
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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 19444534)

Seems simple I guess. In a previous post you singled out christians. The truth is most christian populations have below replacement birth rates. So your simple task then is to educate, and remove religion from, the muslim populations. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19444583)

I don't recall ever singling out any individual religion. People are free to think whatever they want spiritually, but history makes it painfully obvious that organized religion has been a force of regression for centuries.

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 19445282)

You said "get the church to stop telling people condoms come from Satan". I guess I took that to mean christians. Religion is only really regressive when religious doctrine forms the basis for government policy. That hasn't happened in the west for centuries. And you don't need religion to experience regression. Political ideologies can be equally regressive - North Korea for example.

Originally Posted by rebel23 (Post 19445543)

The US did fine without an income tax before 1913.
I say get rid of it and replace with nothing.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19445750)

Yup, just let old people, sick people and poor people starve. Who cares if children are put into sweat shops for pennies a day? Our high tech modern economy is just like the low tech labor intensive agrarian economy of yesteryear. Globalization and automation are not complications at all. Lets all just go back to living like it's 1912! After all, pretending we are living in the past has worked so damn well for the Amish... Awesome plan! :Oh crap

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19445925)

And not all "old people" starve. Plenty of "old people" have a lot more money than you do.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19445925)

With that argument you just made...we are all apparently monolithic robots. If we went back to no income tax, then everything about us would suddenly revert to the exact way it was in 1912

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19445925)

Or we could quit spending so much on defense.

And not all "old people" starve. Plenty of "old people" have a lot more money than you do.

As for children in sweat shops...what the hell does the govt. taxing us so much have to do with that?

You're jumping all around in your argument.

Fact is the govt. does NOT need trillions of dollars each year to buy more bombs, and planes, and tanks to invade other countries. We need to stop that shit.

And no...it's not 1912. But you jumped from not having income tax to EVERYTHING being exactly like it was then. That's just foolish.

We can take the good things we have learned from the past and combine them with the good things we have now.

With that argument you just made...we are all apparently monolithic robots. If we went back to no income tax, then everything about us would suddenly revert to the exact way it was in 1912 :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by slapass (Post 19445966)

Totally agree. If we cut tons of defense spending, we could really cut taxes or at least the govt debt.

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 19443620)

200K for a bathroom in the white house would be a good cut to start with.

If the Rich are willing to pay a bit more then good for them and let them add in what they like.

But the waste is the biggest thing that needs to be looked at. Its amazing how much waste goes into each bill that gets passed.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19446276)

There is also zero reason that making money by investment should be taxed any less than a working mans wage.