Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19500072)

I so not watching another fifteen minutes of bullshit.

Outstanding, some group of architects and engineers made a slick looking video. Great for them. So you really mean to tell me out of the tens of millions of architects and the tens of millions of engineers in the USA... Only a handful believe that WTC 7 falling was anything other than it was? Only a very small percentage of architects and engineers believe this nonsense - shouldn't that tell you something?

Originally Posted by Cam94 (Post 19500167)

I've seen you continually spilling your anti-conspiracy dribble thread after thread. I've never seen anyone support the government the way you do. Idk if your getting paid to spread your nonsense, but no-one that's not getting paid for it will do the continual thread promotion of your pro-government assault on this forum.

Originally Posted by BigChad (Post 19500135)

Actually at the time of that video it was over 1500 engineers. Shouldn't that tell you something?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19499956)

I love this one. Building 7 fell for no reason, right? Sure thing.

WTC 7 was hit by debris when the North Tower fell. Don't be fooled by people saying that WTC 7 was blocks away. It wasn't blocks away; It was across the street from the WTC complex. The only thing between the towers and WTC 7 was WTC 6, which was only ninety feet tall - and WTC 6 was destroyed too (although partially standing the day after after). So debris from the North Tower hits WTC 7, hitting the south face of the building, as well as removing chunks from the southwest corner between floors 7 and 17 and on the south face between Floor 44 and the roof.

Fire fighters had problems getting into the building after the north tower fell; The entrances were blocked - buried with debris.

So you have a building that was hit with tons of falling debris, that pretty much just went through an earthquake, and now it's on fire for eight or ten hours.

The question shouldn't be "how did it fall" but instead the question should be "how come it didn't fall sooner?".

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19500293)

WTC7 being a controlled demo is a no brainer fact. It was basically admitted to at the time, and after that a few times

it was an insurance scam, like the great san francisco 'fire' that coincidentally happened right after a non-insurable earthquake

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19500358)

Rochard, got time to defend the governments side of The Tuskegee syphilis experiment ?

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Originally Posted by Cam94 (Post 19500167)

I've seen you continually spilling your anti-conspiracy dribble thread after thread. I've never seen anyone support the government the way you do. Idk if your getting paid to spread your nonsense, but no-one that's not getting paid for it will do the continual thread promotion of your pro-government assault on this forum.

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19500168)

Lets take this one - It confuses me the most, how does it show a conspiracy? - Even if it was a conspiracy where do you think they went?

There must be an explanation one way or the other, the explanation doesn't change whatever you believe.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19500528)

Really. So it was nothing more than an insurance scam. They killed thousands, sent us to war, and caused billions of dollars in damage just to collect insurance on WTC7.

Sure thing.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19499814)

I wonder if the very same people who believe the government's official story also believe in other mystical wonders, like religion for example.

The government doesn't lie, and a magic man in the sky created life as we know it.

The puzzle pieces don't match up, the science doesn't work, but what the hell, I'll believe it anyway!

Who's calling who the "sheep" in this scenario?

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19500551)

almost positive that whole war and billions of dollars was based on the loss of the first two towers?

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19500551)

for example, it took a big plane full of fuel to take down one of the main buildings.. what took down WTC7? if it was damaged by buildings, it would have fallen over

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19499495)

All of these are quickly explained by something called common sense. We've beat this subject to death here on GFY.

In short....

Yes, the building got crushed into dust. That's what happens when billions and billions of tons of concrete and steel falls a thousand feet.

Yes, with billions and billions of tons of concrete and steel crushing little things like desks and chairs would be expected. However, It's not true that there were "no desks and chairs" undamaged. Clearly someone hasn't watched all of the video footage.

Engines melted but door handles were okay? Well, sometimes that happens in a fire. The front of the car could be destroyed but not the back?

Building number seven didn't "have a fire on one floor". The entire building was moved off of it's foundation when the other two towers fell. The fire raged out of control for like ten hours at the same time. Use common sense here.

The hole in the Pentagon you talk about wasn't at the point of impact, but was IN ANOTHER FUCKING RING - hundreds of yards away from the point of impact.

And ID was found blocks away? Don't be stupid. I saw live massive clouds of debris covering entire blocks.

Misc plane parts found on the scene that shouldn't have been there? Never heard of this. If true, this could be anything. It could have been parts in boxes the plane was carrying in cargo or god knows what.

The plane in PA crashed head first in to the ground. The plane accidents we are used to seeing is when they glide into the ground. This one went head first into the ground at speed. The plane did in fact leave wreckage.

And then one of my favorites... Military exercises.... They have military exercises EVERY MOTHER FUCKING DAY. What do you think our military does every day when we are not at war? Paint rocks? (We did that a lot in the Marines really.)

Sheep.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19500549)

Clearly the lack of chairs and desks proves it's a conspiracy. I mean, if it was really two planes crashing into towers.... Chairs and desks would still be in one piece, right?

I also love the "molten metal" argument. You say molten metal? Really? I saw it too. No idea what it was. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that the fucking tower was on fire? God only knows what that was....

Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 19499533)

david icke & alex jones have made absolutely millions from the conspiracy sheep. Heck, I think david icke even has a political following going on.

There may, "just may" be an agenda going on here. How about that for a conspiracy?

Originally Posted by scarlettcontent (Post 19500079)

this is crazy, wtc7 fell for no apparent reason

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19500168)

Lets take this one - It confuses me the most, how does it show a conspiracy? - Even if it was a conspiracy where do you think they went?

There must be an explanation one way or the other, the explanation doesn't change whatever you believe.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19499814)

I wonder if the very same people who believe the government's official story also believe in other mystical wonders, like religion for example.

The government doesn't lie, and a magic man in the sky created life as we know it.

The puzzle pieces don't match up, the science doesn't work, but what the hell, I'll believe it anyway!

Who's calling who the "sheep" in this scenario?

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19500551)

almost positive that whole war and billions of dollars was based on the loss of the first two towers?

The story at the time was that WTC7 was 'too damaged' and had to be taken down

for example, it took a big plane full of fuel to take down one of the main buildings.. what took down WTC7? if it was damaged by buildings, it would have fallen over

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 19501095)

you forgot to mention 4 blackboxes that evaporated into thin air...because that happens as well everyday....NOT

You forgot all the pentagon videos ( one of the most video taped buildings in the world) that were gathered from all the surrounding areas so we will never see what hit it...

oh and 8 different multi-ton fuselages also evaporated... because that happened in every plane crash in the history of mankind...NOT


you guys will believe just about anything you are fed...and I understand..I use to feel the same way..then I woke up and started to question things that were uncomfortable to me... but once you get past the "uncomfortable stage" a lot of shit falls into place.


Nothing happens on accident.. your life is being guided into a particular way and you don't even know it..

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 19501120)

This video makes it completely clear that WTC7 was a controlled demo :2 cents:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19501130)

This is Alex Jones...

http://static.infowars.com/images/about_alex1.jpg

Don't question him!

Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 19501117)

One of the most publicized news events with hundreds if not thousands of cameras doing live coverage....

thousands of witnesses......

Thousands upon thousands of people doing research on the internet....


yet there is not that one piece of crucial evidence to prove the government was involved. Just people's "opinions" on how buildings should collapse if a plane hit them

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19499814)

I wonder if the very same people who believe the government's official story also believe in other mystical wonders, like religion for example.

The government doesn't lie, and a magic man in the sky created life as we know it.

The puzzle pieces don't match up, the science doesn't work, but what the hell, I'll believe it anyway!

Who's calling who the "sheep" in this scenario?

Originally Posted by xholly (Post 19500776)

I find thw whole you either believe was 100% an inside job or you implicitly trust the government in every way really strange.

I used to own a tshirt with the words FUCK BUSH in massive letters across the front that I would walk around in, I am not American and think Bush is a war criminal

Has everyone forgotten that despit desperate attempts to tie Iraq and Saddam to 911 it was not possible and many intelligence people have come forward and said they were pressured to find such evidence. Has everyone forgotten that the reason for the Iraq invasion had nothing to do with 911 and was all about supposed hidden weapons of mass destruction? It is the lie of Iraq having these weapons and mobile production facilities that was put to the world as the reason and was found to be a lie. Hard evidence backs up the fact that it was a lie.

The bush administration went to war based on a lie, that is the fucking war crime and why he should be in jail... for fuck sake why orchestrate 911 for the reason of going to the middle east if they cant even tie Iraq to the event??

all this 911 stuff has done is made people forget this fact and buried the bush administrations war crime and lies that resulted in the deaths of thousands. Thats what I find sad.

Not sure how the war was sold in the US but from here it was pretty obvious.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19501154)

People believe in what they are comfortable believing in.

Facts do not effect this belief system.

Many will fight to the end, espousing stories of boats filled with animals, or talking snakes, or office fires melting steel supports, etc.

Once an unfounded belief is comfortable in one's mind, nothing will change it.

Maybe Jesus will come back and resolve all of these issues for us.

I know for sure, that the Bush Administration would never lie, so why question anything that happened while they were in charge?

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19501154)

People believe in what they are comfortable believing in.

Facts do not effect this belief system.

Many will fight to the end, espousing stories of boats filled with animals, or talking snakes, or office fires melting steel supports, etc.

Once an unfounded belief is set comfortably in one's mind, nothing will change it.

Maybe Jesus will come back and resolve all of these issues for us.

I know for sure, that the Bush Administration would never lie, so why question anything that happened while they were in charge?

Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 19501160)

Congratulations you have just summed up yourself.

Let's ignore thousands of different media outlets and class it as propaganda yet religiously accept anything that comes from the unbiased Natural News/Alex Jones because it fits in with your belief.

Your just as retarded as the sheep you portray with this logic.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19501165)

First of all, there are 6 consolidated media corporations - not "thousands".

Six control the message.

I do not follow Natural News or Alex Jones, but carry on...

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19501165)

First of all, there are 6 consolidated media corporations - not "thousands".

Six control the message.

I do not follow Natural News or Alex Jones, but carry on...

Originally Posted by ninavain (Post 19501181)

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

I can't believe people actually think there are THOUSANDS of media outlets..might be thousands of channels..but they are owned by the same powerful families that pull puppet strings all over the world