Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19566462)

here's the only thing that gives me hope that the pricing structure can't be insane-

coverage is required by law, how could the average joe making $60k/year with a serious chronic issue afford, let's say, $2000 a month? is that crazy to assume? i'm just throwing #s out there now since i have to wait but i've budgeted $1000/month just guessing out of my ass! hoping. hooooooooping.

honestly, i think i'd be stoked if i were to get solid coverage from a major carrier for $1000/month- then i could bitch about the price going up annually!

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19566467)

I think you are assuming too much. You are linking a law with individual companies in a way that doesn't really work. Just because the law says XYZ, doesn't mean Company ABC has to help you achieve that law, unless the law says Company ABC has to do that.

I have not heard of any premium ceilings being in the law, but I haven't been paying too much attention either.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19566479)

i'm looking at it strictly from a cost-prohibitive view, not saying it's right BUT there's simply no way they can price it out of reach and require it by law. if that even happened come january too many people would bring enough attention to it to fix it.


right? looking at it from the view of price it whatever, then where's the max? is there? $10,000 a month? $5000? $20k? i am required by law to pay $5000 a month for minimum coverage? with no caps on the system, is it wrong to suggest a $5000 a month insurance premium?


i don't see it.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19566493)

here's something else, anyone with a pre-existing condition has pre-existing prescriptions/pharmacy bill.

so that will have to be absorbed into the new policy, or not. i haven't come across any info on whether or not that is required coverage. but my point is, man, i hope the baseline full-coverage policy isn't insanely priced AND i will still have to buy my monthly meds. fuck!

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19566508)

i have to wait 7 months to know.

will it end up people will pay the penalty to the government and continue fronting their own healthcare costs under the new laws? no coverage but now with penalties.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19566504)

I'm right there with you. I spend over $4000 a month on my medical care, and I have pretty good insurance. No insurance will cover what I need. So if I were to lose my good insurance and have to pay the new pre-existing insurance of $X,XXX plus my other $4000? I might have to start hooking!

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19566512)

I think so, yes. I believe some businesses will be doing the same.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19566528)

Again I will say it: The govt., the media, Big Pharma, Big Medical, Big Insurance are all holding hands and charging the people of the U.S. 3, 4, even 10 times what every other country pays for the same exact procedures and medication.

Until we stop letting politicians get away with this we are all gonna continue to be screwed.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19566546)

i was buying insulin from canada, i have to get 3 different types but 1 of those i paid $38/a vial for lilly brand. the same exact lilly branded vial at walgreens usa is $140. 3.5x more.
then all the sudden canadian pharmacies weren't able to get this insulin, they told me for the longest time that their supplier in turkey was having a difficult time getting it. then, bam, they get it in stock and it's now $50 more than here, it's $190 a vial now in canada.


big pharma at work.

Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19565908)

If you think Obama Care is going to be different you are blind.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19566446)

dyna mo I hope you are able to get covered.
BUT the question is...will you be able to afford that coverage?

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19566563)

...Big Pharma lobbyists raised hell and the U.S. govt. BANNED people from doing that! Can you fucking believe it? They were actually searching people at the Canadian border for prescription drugs.

"Freedom"? It's a joke in this country.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19566546)

i was buying insulin from canada, i have to get 3 different types but 1 of those i paid $38/a vial for lilly brand. the same exact lilly branded vial at walgreens usa is $140. 3.5x more.
then all the sudden canadian pharmacies weren't able to get this insulin, they told me for the longest time that their supplier in turkey was having a difficult time getting it. then, bam, they get it in stock and it's now $50 more than here, it's $190 a vial now in canada.


big pharma at work.

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19567062)

And there are still stupid people out there who believe that Obamacare provides free health care.

Originally Posted by GrantMercury (Post 19567045)

Yes. There will be subsidies for those who can't afford the full premium.

I can't afford health insurance, so how can the government make me buy it?
http://news.consumerreports.org/heal...two-years.html

Originally Posted by GrantMercury (Post 19567055)

Aren't they FREE to lobby Congress? :winkwink:

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19567062)

And there are still stupid people out there who believe that Obamacare provides free health care.

No wonder this country is going to Hell in a handbasket!

And most of the ignorant fucks voted for the Rat Bastard the second time!

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19567148)

I will repeat this to you because you seem to have a little bit of trouble comprehending the concept of FREEDOM.

YES, they are free to lobby Congress. But our politicians are the scum who demand to have their palms greased for their votes.

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19567223)

His name is GrantMercury

Originally Posted by GrantMercury (Post 19561581)

The problem is, the for-profit health insurance fuckers are still in the picture. Single-payer (the only system that makes sense, and the one every other 1st-world country uses) was SOCIALISM!!!!! Dumb fucking teabaggers were whipped into a frenzy about "death panels" by Faux News and took to the streets. We're too dumb to demand a system that works, because the corporate media scares paranoid lunkheads with terms they don't understand.

And, as usual, there's more to the story.

This is only one study, and it was conducted by a company with ties to a health insurer.

Additionally, the increase in costs isn't across the board, and it doesn't apply to all states. Also co-pays, "bridges" and deductibles will go down.

And there is a lot that's right with Obamacare, including the elimination of preexisting conditions, and a requirement that these bastards use at least 80% of every premium dollar paid to be used on actual healthcare (or refund the difference). Children can stay on their parents' insurance until they're 26, contraception is covered 100%, no-cost yearly checkups, and 45,000,000 people who had no coverage finally will (we can agree that's a good thing, even if it doesn't apply to you personally, right)?

So it's a mixed bag. I'm not very happy with it, but it's better than what we had. Maybe if idiots across the country would stop hyperventilating every time "socialism" is spoken, we could start a real conversation and get a system that works right, particularly since "capitalism" is what the current fucked-up healthcare system is all about. For example, check out what this guy takes in - and he's never healed a single person.

Blue Cross parent's CEO pay climbs to $12.9 million
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...o-12-9-million

Wow. That's a lot of premium dollars right there. He must be some great lifesaving physician...oh right. He doesn't know the first thing about healing the sick or saving lives. He's doing a great job saving us from "government healthcare" and "socialism," I guess.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cHGSUfR5A1...teabaggers.jpg

Originally Posted by GrantMercury (Post 19568304)

JFC. Dude, the politicians don't DEMAND it. The corporations are HAPPY to write the checks.