Crimes have zero to do with what I'm saying here, unless purely thinking that gays or blacks or women etc are inferior in some way is a crime in itself. It's retarded, it's illogical, it's fucking dumb imo, but it isn't a crime, nor is it my right to *make* anyone who doesn't believe what I do, believe what I do.

I can put my point across, I can lead by example, but I sure as fuck can't start believing it's my 'right' to change anyone's way of thinking.

unless it's a crime

right?

Sarah, while homosexually has been politically jammed down everyone's throat, everyone is not okay with it... that's just the reality of it... :2 cents:

pls use google to find the reference sited -- has nothing to do with the 'republican Catholics' just a factoid pulled up from a study and published by many many other publications BUT as I've stated which for some reason you don't seem to be able to comprehend, I don't believe it.. ..

The Phoenix Forum, however, is known to be the show where the gay market is present. So, don't go to that show if you have any problems not making homophobic comments. By all means be a jerk in your own home.

Crimes are actions that are punishable by society, not thoughts/beliefs that are punishable by society. A thought/belief cannot be a crime (so far at least, thank fuck). Unless you are saying that some thoughts should be crimes that are punishable? Or that some beliefs are crimes?

not sure if you are directing this at me... 1. I did not go to the show, 2. if people want to be gay how does that concern me? 3. you need to realize no matter how cool YOU think it is, some people don't care for it, just like some people will not do business with because I work in adult... :2 cents:

try being a communist in the 60s? black? there is plenty of examples of thoughts and beliefs turning into 'crimes' guided by the majority

anyway

my point really, is that in order for something to be 'a crime', someone needs to 'think, or 'believe', that an action is so unjust, it is punishable by death/incarceration/citation by society as a whole. Therefore, thoughts and beliefs are capable of becoming laws, and in extension capable of doing great harm to the 'greater good'

why you need to 'care'

no dude, usually i like chatting with you, but you seriously cited a republican catholic study into the detrimental affects of homosexuality

i don't have time for this

better luck next time

The only way in which I was directing what I said at you was as a response to why people may have been displaying homophobic behavior at the specific event I mentioned. My point was that if somebody has problems doing business with or around those that represent the gay market within this industry then they should really rethink attending the singular show of the year where there are many people from the gay side as the straight in attendance and sponsoring. If they put themselves into that environment and then act like homophobic jerks, yes I will comment.

Again, you confuse 'care' and 'want' with 'right'. Aside from that, the thoughts/beliefs of *anyone in the entire history of the human race* didn't turn into anything until an action was taken, whether that action was a physical occurence, or was an intent of a physical occurence.

As much as it might be to your distate that someone may believe eg gay men are less intelligent that straight men, you have about as much 'right' to force that person to believe otherwise as I do to 'make' you believe anything I do. With the paradox being, as I've said previously, that you have every right to believe you *do* have that right :upsidedow

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

- Voltaire

yeah, except me bothering to do any defending, and certainly not until death :winkwink:

tbh, not even the to say it portion of it either, but fuck, saying that *thoughts* should be set by 1 person to another? Naaaaah.

so why can't gays marry?

I love pissing gays off.

I lived with 2 gays for about 4 months in a dorm. They put me there because no one else wanted to live with them, truthfully, they were the best roommates I ever had. Lots of drama but it was manageable. I would simply stay put in my room.

One of them would have local married guys jacking off on webcam in the living room, I wasn't much into that. :disgust

wtf does that have to do with the 'right' to force someone else to think a thought, or have a belief? You're missing my point so much that I'm starting to believe you're doing so on purpose.

Just because someone has a thought or belief that the majority of people disagree with, it doesn't give anyone the right to tell that person what to think or believe. Your own example above proves that even though it's illegal for gays to marry (in some places), the belief and/or thoughts of those gays isn't illegal. When at whatever point in the future it is illegal to *stop* gays from getting married, the belief of those against gay marriage still won't, and nor should it, be a crime. Put those thoughts/beliefs into actions though, and then it becomes, quite rightly, a crime.

The 'crime' I'm assuming (though you did warn me about that earlier) you are trying to point out, is the act of it being illegal for gays to marry in certain parts of the world. Again, that is an action, rather than just a mere thought/belief.