Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623226)

LOL you are sooo easy to troll. Proof most programmers lacks common sense.

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 19623190)

Lol at all the programmers making $200k a year... Back when I did this, full time positions in both adult and non-adult were like $50-90k. Have times changed or are egos just more inflated?

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19623212)

It's important to clarify (not just for you, but for the driveling idiots who will latch onto your comment without context): he's asking for a SENIOR-level programmer, not some random programmer. Random programmers still make $50-$90k, that's the entry-level and mid-level norms, not just in adult.

Regardless of whether he actually needs what he's asking for, the salary level he's offering is possible for that type of talent, if they are looking at intangibles beyond the paycheck, etc.

You're correct that most programmers (or, in this case, senior-level programmers) are not making $200k. People whose names you would probably recognize (people who have worked for me in the past) are at $165k-$180k now. $200k isn't easy to come by anymore, and I'd say it's all but unheard of in adult.

To put that in perspective, my freelance hourly rate is generally $225/hr (less for projects I like, more for projects I don't). I'd have to code (not work -- CODE) almost 20 hours per week at that rate to come out at $200k/year. It's unreasonable to expect that you could acquire customers at your chosen rate, complete their projects with all of the overhead and administrative bullshit, and still put in a solid 20 or so hours per week. That's why many people (myself included) choose to take a salary at this point until things get less speculative and the market returns in many industries. $100k without the "hassles" of the freelance is appealing to some.

Originally Posted by Dankasaur (Post 19623240)

Times have changed. The demand for programmers is insanely high in mainstream. Especially "Social Hackers" (programmers who can also market). I had just went through the interview process for a startup in San Francisco that was offering $120k+/yr salary with benefits, paid vacations, relocation and equity in the company for a senior level PHP developer.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19623251)

So how do you define if programmer is "senior" level or not?

Originally Posted by jay23 (Post 19623246)

Top level coder is 100K, add another 100K for some one with adult know how (so you dont have to explain to them what is an affiliate)

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 19623223)

Obviously, you either didn't bother to read, or your reading skills are marginal at best. I addressed that in my comment -- in fact, right in the first paragraph (wow).

If you think you can't find a senior-level programmer for $100k, your head is so far up your ass, you have to fart to breathe. Salaries have changed in the past couple of years.

You just said that a senior-level programmer makes $100k in a MONTH -- you're a space cadet at best, slinging stupid shit like that around. No one is impressed by you pretending to be a big shot, sorry for that.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19623251)

So how do you define if programmer is "senior" level or not?

Originally Posted by http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/programming-and-development/what-makes-a-developer-senior/411

Here are some of the basic qualifications that a ?senior developer? should have: 10 years of experience in the programming field (although seven or eight may be enough depending on what they have been working on), a rock solid understanding of theory, and excellent debugging skills. They also should be able to: work closely with the software architect to suggest improvements within the overall vision for the project; ask questions at the architecture level and not at a low implementation level; and serve as a resource and mentor for less experienced developers. You should also be able to trust him or her to transform a set of class diagrams into quality code with little oversight. A ?senior developer? should not require handholding.

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623278)

haha you got me.. let me explain something to you. Entry level programmer at BEST. A TOP programmer is not surfing programing jobs here. They are OFFERED them. And like I said before (you cant either read or comprehend) they are working on their own ideas, hence the millions possible. Dont take it out on me because all you came up with is a sorry ass program like leadwrench. Real programmers come up with ideas that actually make money.

Originally Posted by Dankasaur (Post 19623284)

You're an idiot. You don't even know what you're talking about "A TOP programmer is not surfing programing jobs here. They are OFFERED them"

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623278)

haha you got me.. let me explain something to you. Entry level programmer at BEST. A TOP programmer is not surfing programing jobs here. They are OFFERED them. And like I said before (you cant either read or comprehend) they are working on their own ideas, hence the millions possible. Dont take it out on me because all you came up with is a sorry ass program like leadwrench. Real programmers come up with ideas that actually make money.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19623289)

Majority of good programmers have no idea how to market ideas or projects, hell, majority of good programmers do not even generate money making ideas. They are just good or great at making ideas live.
So do not post it like all great programmers have entrepreneurship gene into them because they do not.
Those are exceptions.

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623288)

ok.. so please tell me the names of all these top level programmers here asking for jobs.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19623289)

Majority of good programmers have no idea how to market ideas or projects, hell, majority of good programmers do not even generate money making ideas. They are just good or great at making ideas live.
So do not post it like all great programmers have entrepreneurship gene into them because they do not.
Those are exceptions.

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623294)

LOL They are just that, GOOD programmers. We are not talking about good programmers. They are a dime a dozen. The subject of the discussion is TOP LEVEL programmers.

Originally Posted by Dankasaur (Post 19623299)

Please, tell me who you think is a "TOP LEVEL" programmer. Because judging by your "knowledge" here, I am pretty sure you think $12/hr Indian programmers on Freelancer.com are "TOP LEVEL" programmers.

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623300)

Originally Posted by Dankasaur (Post 19623299)

Please, tell me who you think is a "TOP LEVEL" programmer. Because judging by your "knowledge" here, I am pretty sure you think $12/hr Indian programmers on Freelancer.com are "TOP LEVEL" programmers.

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623305)

Hows your tube api going big shot? How many Indian programmers rip you off before its done?

Originally Posted by Dankasaur (Post 19623304)

ITT: A nobody talking shit about a subject he doesn't understand throwing out retarded assumptions.

Originally Posted by Dankasaur (Post 19623307)

Launching tomorrow, and that's cool if someone rips my work, shows I made something worthwhile. How's board trolling going for you? I noticed you started going hard in the paint after about 4PM... School just let out?

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623310)

You asked who I though was a top level programmer and I delivered. Sorry you cant handle your own stupidity.

Originally Posted by Dankasaur (Post 19623307)

Launching tomorrow, and that's cool if someone rips my work, shows I made something worthwhile. How's board trolling going for you? I noticed you started going hard in the paint after about 4PM... School just let out?

Originally Posted by Dankasaur (Post 19623314)

http://i.imgur.com/ExZlggS.png

Your trolling is weak too.

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623294)

LOL They are just that, GOOD programmers. We are not talking about good programmers. They are a dime a dozen. The subject of the discussion is TOP LEVEL programmers.

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623318)

Another GFY fag who needs stupid graphics to express their opinion. You bore me.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19623320)

So are you saying entrepreneurship gene is what makes a programmer top level?
I say that there are simply top level programmers (who can implement any idea, you tell it and they program it) and there are top level programmers who also generate their own ideas.
If programmer does not generate ideas it does not make them NOT top level. Quality of programmer is all about how good he can turn ideas into code, not if he can generate his own ideas.

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623324)

No, I'm just saying 99% of top level programmers are either hired or are working on their own shit. They are certainly not looking for a job here. And making way more then 100k a year. You guys act like 100k a year is a ton of cash. Its called breaking even for a family of 4

Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623300)

Originally Posted by CamBoss (Post 19623355)

You are a fucking idiot. Shut up already

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 19623363)

Yeah, you're really gonna see that level of Computer Scientist developing dating sites.

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Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19623420)

aaawww did I get your panties in a bunch?

Originally Posted by CamBoss (Post 19623445)

You aren't even good at trolling. You are just stupid. Stick to non business threads where you belong.

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 19623485)

I guess I'm thinking there's a huge discrepancy in what consitutes a "senior" or "top level" programmer.