I really want to switch to Verotel or Epoch but don't have the extra $500.00 - $1,000.00 to do it right now thanks to CCBill being so shitty. Ugh.

Verotel.

If sales quadrupled with Verotel then perhaps we should switch to Verotel? LOL

If you don't have any affiliates selling your shit then perhaps Verotel is the way to go.
But for someone like myself with thousands of (CCBill) affiliates pushing my content Verotel is not an option because Verotel's afiliate program is a joke.

So maybe for Sara Verotel works because she's not relying on dozens of affiliate sales daily, who knows.

Umm, why exactly is CCBill the reason you don't have $500-1000 available to upgrade your business?

the phillipino webcam models on LJ make $1 a day

Ha! Ok I missed that I'd rather be loyal to CCBill thanks :thumbsup

Not sure what you're getting at there?

They should be paid more! Typical Filipino daily minimum wage comes out to about $10 USD a day!

not all the people have

$500-1000 available to upgrade their business

She is paying affiliates through sliiing.

I mentioned this before to you. Sliiing takes every affiliate from ccbill and they never need to change links. You, however, can use any biller you want.

You should just use your own merchant account though and host your join forms. Add a trial, set your scrub, and bank.

I am considering this Beaner, and will hit you up on ICQ about this (and JudoPorn channels, too).
You do good work Beaner!! :)

Umm okay...?

Thing is I wasn't talking to any Filipino camgirls. I was asking Some Guy, who said "I really want to switch to Verotel or Epoch but don't have the extra $500.00 - $1,000.00 to do it right now thanks to CCBill being so shitty. Ugh."

I am wondering why CCBill is the reason here.

Peabody verotel has been giving us better results than ccbill since we swapped, but still in my opinion is not optimal for some one like me with customers in many different countries who wish to transact in different ways.

There is another biller who is processing transactions for us that is assuredly 4-5 times the transactions of ccbill with no extra traffic added or affiliates

Enough said about it....I offer that to you as motivation for investigation and recalibration not to have a pissing match...good luck

Not seeing that on your join page, only Verotel and that's via proxy from many different countries, including non Western ones ;)

Since you repeatedly refuse to name any biller other than Verotel, and my above test shows only Verotel, I can only assume you have serious delinquencies yet to be made public regarding your true use of billers other than Verotel.

I still have no new sales with ccbill, yet I do have with other processors :(

Because I'm a dink and need somebody to blame?

:winkwink:

Seriously though, I wouldn't have thought too much of it had there not been a slew of other webmasters complaining about their CCBill sales as well. Things were fine up until two weeks ago and then nothing. Very strange. I'm still reeling from the Mastercard fee so I don't really want to sink $500.00 into another processor right now. Maybe in a few months if I don't just sell my sites entirely. I guess we'll see how it goes.

With your amount of sites/affiliates, you should really be switching to a software like NATS/MPA/Sling so that you can easily switch billers whenever you need to. Switching billers should not be an issue for anyone. It's very easy to do and will make you more money long-term, hands-down.

Feel free to shoot me a message and I can give you more details.

You are assuming I only bill for or offer services thru my own website domain.

That is why you are confused....I am under no obligation to you,peabody, or the industry, to disclose the other url's and billing companies that have given me 4-5 sales since dropping ccbill.

There are 2 ways to look at it....could I have been getting quadruple sales long ago if we walked away from them last year instead of this year,

and how is it humanly possible to see sales quadruple when you replace one biller with another less popular but more reliable biller?

Further more with many having little to no sales like peabody and a few others around here....how does the crazy psycho, looney,conspiracy tard, who is mad at the world for getting 1 sale a day and not having accurate stats...

How do I of all people quadruple my own transactions by removing the *so called* best biller in the industry?

How do we go from having 3-4 days of 0 sales per week with ccbill....to now not seeing a 0 sales day in over 4 months after dropping ccbill?

Yeah sick isn't it? Pretty unbelievable but I took the blue pill years ago and have extracted myself sufficiently from the matrix....one day you all will have courage to take take the blue pill as well

You cannot make this shit up...and as far as I am concerned I am vindicated for life...I don't need new affiiliates, new biz partners, so I don't have to bite my tongue around here.

I have proven to myself and my team that ccbill in very simple and polite terms was causing us to leave thousands on the table per month!

End of transmission on this topic....go ahead and act crazy if you want call me looney call me liar...I am having the last laugh at you fools who misunderstand my motives and are delusional enough to think I would fabricate this statement of fact.

Thanks for coming out God Bless and good nite

I will say it again. Dumping CCBill and replacing it with other options saw an immediate increase in revenue. IMMEDIATE!

There are other billers out there too. I see that AdultCentro has a billing solution now too.

http://centrobill.com

The problem with CCBILL has always been REBILLS... Not signups.

You can get 100 signups one month, and in the following month, you get shitty rebills.

I always wonder if sponsors are not limiting it (even tho I check that it says unlimited rebills), but still rebills are always shitty. Members just vanish completely.

Apparently there is a way for sponsors to assign a rebill to a specific affiliate ID (such as their own). It's unclear whether a special notification is given to the affiliate when this happens. Given that I've never heard of one before it seems likely that no notification is given as otherwise someone would have been caught by now. This is totally different than the "rebills end after" thing and from what I understand is assigning a member to a specific affiliate so that other affiliate (the sponsors account) gets credit for the rebills. It's been discussed a couple times on the boards before.

Some quick research

About the ability to assign rebills to another account
http://m.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19657192&postcount=21

Reverse case.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=891680


https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=15618166&postcount=22


Says it's only possible when there is no affiliate ID already on the sale but it's a third hand account
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=15588556&postcount=17

And it's always been possible to shave on ccbill using a variable. A lot of people don't know about this one.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=429390

HOLLY SHIT... That fucking sucks. :disgust

I know there must be something going on, but it's impossible to prove it. It seems.

I have always seen shitty rebills in CCBILL, promoting for years, and always the same.

In other sponsors not using CCBILL, rebills are way stronger and last for a long time, even years.

In CCBILL, rebills don't last for me. Anyone else noticed the same? Obvioulsy im asking affiliates and not sponsor owners. Of course CCBILL Paysite owners reading this, probably know the truth, but they are not going to answer, huh?..

With so many affiliates using CCBILL, how can nobody figure this out by now, after so many years of using the system? Very strange.

HOLLY SHIT !!!! :mad::mad:


But is there no way for me as an affiliate to FIGURE THIS OUT ???? That the sponsor is ROBBING ME THE REVSHARE SALE ????


NOW everything makes sense, fucking robbers.... WTF????

The honest thing for CCBill to do assuming there is a hole is to release a report to affiliates retroactive many years so they can see exactly how many rebills and how much money they might have lost to dishonest sponsors using such an opening. Not doing it as far as I am concerned makes them an accomplice to defraud affiliates. But nothing like that is ever going to get done. That's just how this industry is these days. It's been many years since CCBill did anything to try to increase transparency for affiliates.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

CCBILL IS BACK! :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Bullllllshitttt! No it aint!

Will do absolutely. :thumbsup

ccbill is getting lame.

Maybe the program uses some sort of cascading billing and that's why you see Verotel first

There are way too many affiliates complaining about CCbill so must be some truth to it....

Also most of the program I know, that use CCbill , like met-art, femjoy, etc etc etc have rather high prices... $30 subscription per month is quite a lot. There are some programs who only have $19.99 and the content is quite good also...

Just my :2 cents:

As many of you know, I run Sliiing. I have many clients, all using CCBill and also using other billers through my software.

Some of my clients keep a steady sales ratio of 1:300 with CCBill while other have a ratio of 1:2000. Some clients have days with 1:200 and the day right after, with the same amount of traffic 1:1500. Why is that? Mistery.

Why do some webmaster have a good sale ratio while others not? Without trying to make any scientific theory, I would say that it lies on:

1- How new is the site. I tend to think that newer sites sell better.
2- How exclusive is the content/ are the models
3- Design has a little to do but not that much
4- The amount of "bonus content" may play a role as well.
5- If sales seems to be slow with one biller, try to switch to another. (Seemed to have helped me in the past. Was it only coincidence? I will never know. )

Since we entered the "tube business model" era, which is the exact oppossite of any healthy business model, it has become much more difficult for us all to earn money. However, from the numbers that I see, it is still possible.