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pinkz 06-12-2013 07:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19666361)

The cops did not lay a finger on her and they did their job correctly; yet people are going to complain that they sucked.
I don't recall the cops showing the woman a warrant therefore they acted unlawfully by entering her dwelling!

brassmonkey 06-12-2013 07:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkz (Post 19666369)
only if they test the grass or lack thereof!
or are you saying its illegal to not have grass in your front yard?
the agent orange is illegal. you would never see the outside again. any hoo im going to spray my plants and take a nap. :)

pinkz 06-12-2013 07:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19666374)
the agent orange is illegal. you would never see the outside again. any hoo im going to spray my plants and take a nap. :)
:1orglaugh don't use agent O then!!

i would settle for using a proprietary herbicide then, available over the counter!

blackmonsters 06-12-2013 07:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkz (Post 19666370)
I don't recall the cops showing the woman a warrant therefore they acted unlawfully by entering her dwelling!
Your law degree from the internet is not working correctly.

Once she opened that door and her name was similar to the name they were looking for, warrant or not,
and she didn't have ID, they had all the "probable cause" in the world to hook her up.

Think about this way :

A bank robbery goes down.
Suspect runs down my block.
Police start knocking on doors immediately asking if anyone saw the suspect.
I open my door and the cops say I look a lot like the suspect.
In fact, I am the suspect, I simply ran home with the money, but I don't tell them that.
Cops ask for my ID, I say I can't find it, lost it.
The cops says, ok, that's cool have a nice day.

Bullshit right?

:1orglaugh

Rochard 06-12-2013 07:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19665940)
did you see the clear violation??? their suppose to hand you the warrant before they enter. i didnt see probable cause to enter without giving her a copy of the warrant. hopefully she gets a lawyer.
I'm pretty confident that I am speed on how local police should serve a warrant. I've never had police serve a warrant on me.

Are they required to hand you a search warrant BEFORE entering? Come to think of it, I don't think they are - Usually they just scream "We have a search warrant" and physically destroy the door on their way in. Once the premises are secure is when they should hand over the physical warrant.

Rochard 06-12-2013 07:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 19665946)
The warrant wasnt for her, it was for her landlord who doesnt live there and it was for not cutting the grass. You think that its ok for cops to come into peoples houses like that? You don't think people have a right to videotape something in their own house? Christ no wonder the police state is upon us when people think shit like this is ok.
They had an arrest warrant and reason to believe that the person was in the house. The police do not knock on the door, ask to see the person they have the warrant for allowing him to hide or arm himself or climb out a window. They enter the house and secure the premises. It's not a police state or something new; This how they've been doing it ever since I can remember.

Rochard 06-12-2013 07:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19665902)
Screw that, 4 police just barged into her house. The police officer was swearing and threatening - that is really scary to see.

Imagine how frequently this happens, jumped up low iq idiots on a power trip.
I did think it was rude that one of the first words out of the cop's mouth was "I don't give a shit what you think".

However, I'm guessing this surely wasn't the first time they had dealt with this woman. I'm guessing this woman has a long history with the cops and that they had been there before.

blackmonsters 06-12-2013 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 19666145)
I hate people like this who provoke the police and then bitch about it. The officer told her to lave the fucking door open and he had a full right to do this. Go get your fucking ID and then bitch about your rights. If the bitch wanted to settle this peacefully, she could have done it. There is nothing wrong with inviting the police in your house or at least try to be polite about it. She first delayed opening the door, then she was uncooperative, then she flat out provoked them ever step of the way with her drug addict "rights"...
Well, you know how these discussions go. People divide into their usual "camps".
They are either pro cop or anti cop. And they don't really care to look at what happened
in detail and see the truth.

:2 cents:

FingerPrinter 06-12-2013 07:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19666179)
Jews willingly got on trains to be taken to camps and stood in line orderly and waiting to be shot dead while gunman reloaded their guns. That defies all logic, but they did it.

Point is, most people are obedient and never question authority in any manner. Many people stick up for those who abuse their power, making excuses for their behavior. Many more even stick up for those who abuse them directly, clearly having Stockholm Syndrome. People are crazy. It's always a hoot to watch people try to defend abusive power.
There is no question or mystery that something is wrong with people (old clowns) like Rochard/baddog... no reason to explain.

Best-In-BC 06-12-2013 07:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19665887)
I guess you better have your ID before you go to the door because they won't let you go back in alone to get it.

Makes sense if they are actually talking to the suspect; don't want the suspect to go back in and get a gun.
Yeah, we should all live on what ifs, to me, this shows how ignorant american police force really is.

brassmonkey 06-12-2013 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19666385)
I'm pretty confident that I am speed on how local police should serve a warrant. I've never had police serve a warrant on me.

Are they required to hand you a search warrant BEFORE entering? Come to think of it, I don't think they are - Usually they just scream "We have a search warrant" and physically destroy the door on their way in. Once the premises are secure is when they should hand over the physical warrant.
that's a felony warrant. after they secure the house/dwelling they give it to you. this was a misdemeanor no guns were un holstered.

Jel 06-12-2013 08:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19666361)
They treated her like shit and used profanity, sure.
But that doesn't change the fact that they didn't start acting like shit until she closed the
door in their face. Just understand that closing the door was fucking stupid.

But not stupid enough, because when the cop pushed it open again she stopped the door and said "Excuse me??!!"
But not stupid enough yet because the cop then says "leave the door open and go get your ID NOW!" and
she stands there and says "You know, I don't even see a name tag".

The cop then says "I don't give shit what you see, go get your ID".

:1orglaugh
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

She and the cops say a few more words, then another cops says :

"Listen, I'm going to hook you up in about 30 seconds if you don't get it".


Now if you counted, they asked her 3 times to GO get her ID. Keyword "GO"!

That's 3 times after she closed the door on them.

The cops would not have come inside the house if she had opened the door back up and just went to get her ID.

Now go forward in the video to 2:02 thru 2:12.

Instead of getting her ID she is asking the cop why he is searching her place.

Cop : Just give us your ID....
She : EXCUSE ME??!
Cop : where is your ID?

Damn! Deezze C0ps is haavin a hello time gittin dat eye D.

A decent cop would become extremely suspicious at this point bro.


Now lets get real :

The cops did not lay a finger on her and they did their job correctly; yet people are going to complain that they sucked.

But then you go in another thread and the cops rip out a females hair and part of her scalp,
slam her face on a counter breaking her teeth out then drag her by one leg on the ground
as if she was a carcass and people are defending that.
And that happened after her right to make a phone call was cut off.

That's real fucked up.

.
wait, so because she is possibly unaware that closing the door on them would cause them to think she may return with a gun is grounds to act like a cunt right from that point? Instead of saying "you need to leave the door open so we see you aren't returning with a weapon"? I wouldn't have thought of that scenario (returning with a weapon) until it was mentioned here - an explanation that takes 5 seconds is preferable to acting like a cunt? Sorry, I don't buy that, and never will.

They may have been doing their job 'correctly', but that's a fucked up 'correctness'.

Rochard 06-12-2013 08:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19666429)
that's a felony warrant. after they secure the house/dwelling they give it to you. this was a misdemeanor no guns were un holstered.
We need to start applying common sense here. Police knocked on the door, identified themselves as police officers, and told her they had a warrant.

A police state is when they bust down the door without warning, without a warrant, and kidnap someone who hasn't committed a crime - not when they knock on the door with a legal warrant.

brassmonkey 06-12-2013 08:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19666438)
We need to start applying common sense here. Police knocked on the door, identified themselves as police officers, and told her they had a warrant.

A police state is when they bust down the door without warning, without a warrant, and kidnap someone who hasn't committed a crime - not when they knock on the door with a legal warrant.
lets stick to the law :) when you say you have a warrant it must be served. they did not ask if the person on the warrant lived there. :helpme also they entered the dwelling and touched that camera :Oh crap they had no right to enter. thank god they didnt see the camera until after they entered. did you see them hand her any paper?

dyna mo 06-12-2013 08:26 AM
when the video starts, it's clear she has already been talking to those cops. sure enough, from her interview.
Quote:
The officers said they had an arrest warrant for Roben Edwards, owner of the property where Ruckman has lived for two-and-a-half years.

Ruckman believes the warrant was for delinquent property taxes because she has received mail addressed to Edwards sent from the Turtle Creek Tax Collector.

But Ruckman had already told the cops that Edwards, in fact, lives down the street in this one-square mile borough of just over 5,000 people outside of Pittsburgh.

“I started talking to them from my second-floor window,” she said in a telephone interview with Photography is Not a Crime Friday.

“They kept asking me if I was Roben Edwards and I said ‘no, she does not live her, I live here alone but she is my landlady and lives down that way.’

They told Ruckman they wanted to talk to Edwards about the length of her grass, which, she admits, needs cutting.

They had also rummaged through her mailbox and found mail addressed to Edwards as well as mail addressed to Ruckman.

But when they asked for her name, she replied with “citizen” and “resident” because “I didn’t feel I had to tell them my name.”

“They said, ‘come down here and show us your ID,’” she said. “One cop said if I didn’t come down there in 30 seconds, he would bust the door down.”

So she frantically put on some clothes, brushed her hair and grabbed a video camera before making her way downstairs and setting it up to record on the stairs.

“I didn’t even know where my ID was but I didn’t want him to break the door down,” she explained.
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/20...-police-power/
so why couldn't the cops have popped down the street to get the landlord? this is a town of 5000 people. it's not la la




Quote:
Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19666179)
Jews willingly got on trains to be taken to camps and stood in line orderly and waiting to be shot dead while gunman reloaded their guns. That defies all logic, but they did it.

Point is, most people are obedient and never question authority in any manner. Many people stick up for those who abuse their power, making excuses for their behavior. Many more even stick up for those who abuse them directly, clearly having Stockholm Syndrome. People are crazy. It's always a hoot to watch people try to defend abusive power.
i don't believe this is accurate. :)

i am very much interested in this behavior and did some snooping a while back. it's not a matter of obedience and not questioning authority. it's deer in the headlights syndrom.

what leads me to believe that is in looking into all of this i came across an interview of anders brevik. in it, he said the most suprising part of all of the killings was how people just stood there and waited for him to shoot them. often times they stood there right in front of him while he reloaded. no weapon at the ready.

they waited for him to reload and shoot them.

i don't see that as obedience. i see that as paralisis in a bizarre event. anyhoo, that's my take on it. fascinating aspect of human behavior though. very curious.

brassmonkey 06-12-2013 08:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666459)
when the video starts, it's clear she has already been talking to those cops. sure enough, from her interview.


so why couldn't the cops have popped down the street to get the landlord? this is a town of 5000 people. it's not la la






i don't believe this is accurate. :)

i am very much interested in this behavior and did some snooping a while back. it's not a matter of obedience and not questioning authority. it's deer in the headlights syndrom.

what leads me to believe that is in looking into all of this i came across an interview of anders brevik. in it, he said the most suprising part of all of the killings was how people just stood there and waited for him to shoot them. often times they stood there right in front of him while he reloaded. no weapon at the ready.

they waited for him to reload and shoot them.

i don't see that as obedience. i see that as paralisis in a bizarre event. anyhoo, that's my take on it. fascinating aspect of human behavior though. very curious.
ok im done playing gfy lawyer arrest the police. any volunteers?

blackmonsters 06-12-2013 08:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19666433)
wait, so because she is possibly unaware that closing the door on them would cause them to think she may return with a gun is grounds to act like a cunt right from that point? Instead of saying "you need to leave the door open so we see you aren't returning with a weapon"? I wouldn't have thought of that scenario (returning with a weapon) until it was mentioned here - an explanation that takes 5 seconds is preferable to acting like a cunt? Sorry, I don't buy that, and never will.

They may have been doing their job 'correctly', but that's a fucked up 'correctness'.
Dude, when you close the door and they knock it back open, it's time to wake the fuck up no matter what you think the law is. If the cops are wrong then escalating a wrong situation does not yield results that favor you.

So if they tell her that they want the door open so she will not run or get a gun does she
then think ok, that's cool or does she then start talking about her rights since they have no reason to believe she has a gun and she's an honest person and would never try to run away and quite frankly this is insulting officer and therefore I'm going to refuse your request.

They asked her to go get her ID 4 times before they came in the door.

Cops are paid by the hour bitch, hurry up and get your ID because there's a homicide down the block.

The problem with cops is that they encounter 15 people like her all day and then late on the shift when they've "had it up to here" and just minutes to get off work, a black guy is speeding down the California freeway.

:1orglaugh

dyna mo 06-12-2013 08:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19666476)
ok im done playing gfy lawyer arrest the police. any volunteers?
what does that mean?

although it is always best to not play gfy attorney at laws.


nevertheless, assuming i know wtf you meant. i never said anything about legalities. i'm talking about getting the fucking job done. it's 1 sqaure mile burrough. there are several different ways to get this job done, the least effective is the way they did it.


that's why we are discussing it. if they did it the right way, we would not have this thread.

that's not a legal matter.

blackmonsters 06-12-2013 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19666458)
lets stick to the law :) when you say you have a warrant it must be served. they did not ask if the person on the warrant lived there. :helpme also they entered the dwelling and touched that camera :Oh crap they had no right to enter. thank god they didnt see the camera until after they entered. did you see them hand her any paper?
It would be easier to stick to the law if you posted the law that says that.

:winkwink:

nexcom28 06-12-2013 08:42 AM
I love how in America the police mentality is don't let her go back in alone she might get a gun. The rest of the world wouldn't give a fuck - they don't have a gun problem

Rochard 06-12-2013 08:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666459)
so why couldn't the cops have popped down the street to get the landlord? this is a town of 5000 people. it's not la la
It doesn't work that way. When police have a warrant, they don't knock on the door and accept the word of the first person they talk to that what they are looking for isn't there. They have a warrant, and they are coming in to look. Period.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 08:43 AM
this is what happens in la la when the cops accidently try to *arrest* the wrong person.

2 little old ladies driving a truck mistaken for 6'5" black chris dorner.

http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index...&size=400x1000

dyna mo 06-12-2013 08:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19666496)
It doesn't work that way. When police have a warrant, they don't knock on the door and accept the word of the first person they talk to that what they are looking for isn't there. They have a warrant, and they are coming in to look. Period.
bullshit if it doesn';t. iv'e seen it firsthand work that way.

myself.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 08:48 AM
it was for deliquent property taxes. jeez the cops go full breech over back taxes?

i'm not ok with that because there were several other ways to handle this. there was simply no reason for this entire episode at all. so for it to get out of hand makes the situation even worse.

they did not do due deligence, they were not professional, she got out of hand in reaction to that, they got out of hand in reaction to that.

meanwhile, the tax offender is watching tele a few blocks away.


yeah, this all makes fucking sense.

brassmonkey 06-12-2013 08:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19666487)
It would be easier to stick to the law if you posted the law that says that.

:winkwink:
call the police and ask :1orglaugh he had the paper in his hand didnt give it to her. have fun working out her case :1orglaugh im done

dyna mo 06-12-2013 08:51 AM
http://img.allvoices.com/thumbs/imag...ors-prison.jpg

baddog 06-12-2013 08:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19666172)
their going to have some issues. the warrant was for a man not a female. :helpme :2 cents:
Jeez you are a fucking idiot, from the ARTICLE:

?They kept asking me if I was Roben Edwards and I said ?no, she does not live her, I live here alone but she is my landlady and lives down that way.?

Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19666458)
lets stick to the law :) when you say you have a warrant it must be served. they did not ask if the person on the warrant lived there. :helpme also they entered the dwelling and touched that camera :Oh crap they had no right to enter. thank god they didnt see the camera until after they entered. did you see them hand her any paper?
You DO NOT know the law.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666486)
what does that mean?
It means he may finally be getting a clue that he is wrong this time . . . one can hope.

CDSmith 06-12-2013 08:53 AM
OP forgot to include "Guess the country" in thread title.

FAIL

baddog 06-12-2013 08:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666509)
it was for deliquent property taxes. jeez the cops go full breech over back taxes?
No, it was not for delinquent property taxes. Failure to Maintain property.

Rochard 06-12-2013 08:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666500)
bullshit if it doesn';t. iv'e seen it firsthand work that way.

myself.
Really? So when police come to my door asking for me I can just say "Oh, I'm his brother, he moved to Hawaii" and they'll just accept that?

The police came looking for the landlord next door a few years back. Turns out he didn't pay his mortgage for a long long time. Their search was so detailed they knocked on my door and questioned me.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 08:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19666522)
Jeez you are a fucking idiot, from the ARTICLE:

?They kept asking me if I was Roben Edwards and I said ?no, she does not live her, I live here alone but she is my landlady and lives down that way.?



You DO NOT know the law.



It means he may finally be getting a clue that he is wrong this time . . . one can hope.

i would think that with your work history in the legal world you have some knowledge of process serving and what is going on here.

would you say this could have been handled much better from the gitgo?

_Richard_ 06-12-2013 08:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19666438)
We need to start applying common sense here. Police knocked on the door, identified themselves as police officers, and told her they had a warrant.

A police state is when they bust down the door without warning, without a warrant, and kidnap someone who hasn't committed a crime - not when they knock on the door with a legal warrant.
3+ cops to serve 'warrants' for uncut grass.

if everything was all good, why did the search the house for cameras

dyna mo 06-12-2013 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19666530)
Really? So when police come to my door asking for me I can just say "Oh, I'm his brother, he moved to Hawaii" and they'll just accept that?

The police came looking for the landlord next door a few years back. Turns out he didn't pay his mortgage for a long long time. Their search was so detailed they knocked on my door and questioned me.
again, it was over a tax issue. my view on this very same scenario, except re: the boston bombers is completely opposite. those guys were searching for violent criminals not arresting/process-serving on a middle aged woman for unpaid property taxes in a 1 square mile town.

moreover, there were, what, 8 of them? why not dispatch a couple to check it out while the others stay. i mean 8 cops to serve a unpaid prop tax issue? srsly.

why not de-escalate instead of escalate. it's not like shit is about to hit the fan here.

blackmonsters 06-12-2013 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nexcom28 (Post 19666495)
I love how in America the police mentality is don't let her go back in alone she might get a gun. The rest of the world wouldn't give a fuck - they don't have a gun problem
Yeah, Israelis serve unarmed warrants in the west bank all the time.

:1orglaugh

Rochard 06-12-2013 09:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666531)
i would think that with your work history in the legal world you have some knowledge of process serving and what is going on here.

would you say this could have been handled much better from the gitgo?
You just don't you get it do you?

The police had a warrant, identified themselves multiple times, and long before the video camera was turned on she was uncooperative and her actions highly suspicious. Setting aside the fact that they had a warrant, at this point it looked like this lady was hiding something - perhaps the person they had the warrant for - and they had probable cause and a legal reason to enter the house.

Other than being rude, they did everything legally.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 09:05 AM
oh, and yes, i do fucking get it

you can tell them your brother is in hawaii and they could leave.

i was living in a pad once where the previous occupant rented a car and did not return it. she used my address/her old address. well, the rental car investigators showed up one day with 2 sheriffs and an arrest warrant.

i explained to them she no longer lived there but i have received her mail occasionally. we all talked it out and they left.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 09:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19666547)
You just don't you get it do you?

The police had a warrant, identified themselves multiple times, and long before the video camera was turned on she was uncooperative and her actions highly suspicious. Setting aside the fact that they had a warrant, at this point it looked like this lady was hiding something - perhaps the person they had the warrant for - and they had probable cause and a legal reason to enter the house.

Other than being rude, they did everything legally.
that wasn't addressed to you. and yes i do fucking get it.

Colmike9 06-12-2013 09:07 AM
Why do people think that they're above the law? If you're nice and patronize the cops and other city officials, you can get away with anything. Arguing will only make it worse..
That's why the f-ing mayor keeps coming to my house since he thinks we're friends and I've talked my way out of jail time and probation once just because they thought I was a 'nice guy'. True story.

baddog 06-12-2013 09:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666531)
i would think that with your work history in the legal world you have some knowledge of process serving and what is going on here.

would you say this could have been handled much better from the gitgo?
While I have served many Summons I have never been a cop, so never had a reason to serve a warrant and they are two completely different things. I would get you into court with a summons. The fact that it has gone to warrant means that a law has already been violated, even if it is simply a failure to appear.

Since some people appear to have a problem reading articles that are more than three lines long, I will remind you that these cops were part of a task force serving 100 warrants. Does GFY really think that is done by one or two cops?

Quote:
The warrant for Ruckman's landlord was served during a 12 hour roundup in Turtle Creek and surrounding communities. District Justice Scott Schricker said the round up helped them clear more than one hundred warrants.
Could it have been handled differently? Yeah, but it would begin with cooperation. The fact that they are out serving warrants means that, in the vast majority of times, they are dealing with criminals. Criminals lie, for every action there is an equal reaction. They reacted to her, which was highly suspicious to even the most casual observer.

I do have a question to DWB though, since he thinks it is so fucked up here. What would happen if that scenario played out in Thailand?

brassmonkey 06-12-2013 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19666534)
3+ cops to serve 'warrants' for uncut grass.

if everything was all good, why did the search the house for cameras
because if they made any errors there is no proof. he had no right to move the camera.

Mutt 06-12-2013 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19666179)
Jews willingly got on trains to be taken to camps and stood in line orderly and waiting to be shot dead while gunman reloaded their guns. That defies all logic, but they did it.

Point is, most people are obedient and never question authority in any manner. Many people stick up for those who abuse their power, making excuses for their behavior. Many more even stick up for those who abuse them directly, clearly having Stockholm Syndrome. People are crazy. It's always a hoot to watch people try to defend abusive power.
When Jews got on those trains they had no clue they were being sent to their deaths, they thought they were going to internment/work camps.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19666558)
While I have served many Summons I have never been a cop, so never had a reason to serve a warrant and they are two completely different things. I would get you into court with a summons. The fact that it has gone to warrant means that a law has already been violated, even if it is simply a failure to appear.

Since some people appear to have a problem reading articles that are more than three lines long, I will remind you that these cops were part of a task force serving 100 warrants. Does GFY really think that is done by one or two cops?



Could it have been handled differently? Yeah, but it would begin with cooperation. The fact that they are out serving warrants means that, in the vast majority of times, they are dealing with criminals. Criminals lie, for every action there is an equal reaction. They reacted to her, which was highly suspicious to even the most casual observer.

I do have a question to DWB though, since he thinks it is so fucked up here. What would happen if that scenario played out in Thailand?

no time for fact-checking in a 10 hour 100 warrant roundup i guess.

just gonna brute-force that shit.

in my case, they did make several phone calls from my porch.


this case is not unlike that. what happened before the video was shot is the issue for me.

not to mention the 100 warrant roundup.

they prolly needed a good solid posse or 2 for this.

baddog 06-12-2013 09:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19666571)
because if they made any errors there is no proof. he had no right to move the camera.
Two dopes in one post, where do you hear anyone say to look for cameras?

brassmonkey 06-12-2013 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19666582)
Two dopes in one post, where do you hear anyone say to look for cameras?
put on your glasses and turn up your ear piece "look at this thing" then he kicks it so it cant film them 1:39 watch it. i didnt hear them say look for cameras. that fat hog found the camera probably thought it was a truffle :1orglaugh

baddog 06-12-2013 09:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666578)
no time for fact-checking in a 10 hour 100 warrant roundup i guess.

just gonna brute-force that shit.
What are you talking about? They are looking for a woman by the name of "Roben" they find a woman by the name of "Robyn" - they attempted to do fact checking by letting her go get her ID.

You really think that if during your incident you had told the cops you'd be right back and shut the door it would have gone down the same way? Do you think any cop anywhere in the world serving a warrant is going to let that happen?

Mutt 06-12-2013 09:27 AM
Many cops are assholes, many of them with personality disorders - there was no reason for the shitty way they dealt with the woman in that video. The warrant was for a non-violent charge. The woman like anybody else who opens their door and finds a group of cops standing there was caught off guard and scared - all they had to say is 'We're the police ma'am and we're here to serve a warrant. We need to enter your home, please stay where you are, thank you' They were confrontational for no reason.

Rochard 06-12-2013 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19666172)
their going to have some issues. the warrant was for a man not a female. :helpme :2 cents:
The woman the police were looking for was Roben Edwards. The woman who answered the door was Robyn Ruckman.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19666588)
What are you talking about? They are looking for a woman by the name of "Roben" they find a woman by the name of "Robyn" - they attempted to do fact checking by letting her go get her ID.

You really think that if during your incident you had told the cops you'd be right back and shut the door it would have gone down the same way? Do you think any cop anywhere in the world serving a warrant is going to let that happen?
i'm saying in a 100 warrant executed in a 10 hour period the cops don't have time to sort anything out.

that's 6 minutes to travel to and execute a warrant. now make that even worse with your thinking that these are violent offenders.

6 minutes to drive to and execute that warrant. for 10 hours. that's way wrong. this entire situation is wrong from the onset is what i am saying. it was doomed to have something like this happen due to the parameters and goals of the roundup.

brassmonkey 06-12-2013 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19666599)
The woman the police were looking for was Roben Edwards. The woman who answered the door was Robyn Ruckman.
yeah i didnt follow the links under the video. you guys are busy bodies :helpme i usually dont click the links

Rochard 06-12-2013 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19666534)
3+ cops to serve 'warrants' for uncut grass.

if everything was all good, why did the search the house for cameras
It was six officers - plus a seventh person from the housing department. Two of the officers were there for "backup", never spoke to the person in the house, and never entered the house.

It does seem like overkill. However, I am wondering how many of these "silly warrants" are served on a daily basis that quickly go south with someone trying to flee or an officer getting hurt.


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