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dyna mo 06-12-2013 12:22 PM
i'm still loling my fucking ass off over these 2 consecutive posts.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666942)
i've never disagreed with that. i'll agree with you right now- they did nothing wrong.

and they got nothing but shit from her.

but again, if i was sarge of this posse, i'd have a sitdown with them to go over some other equally good ways of handling that situation other than escalation.

what is wrong is the lack of protocol here and just resorting to busting in in order to meet a quota.
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19666948)
And this explains your position here in this thread - You've had issues with the police before.

You mentioned you were in "various states of mind" which indicates drinking at the least and drugged up at the worst. If you are so are fucked up you "cannot comprehend properly" then chances you acting like a dick, refused direct orders, and in return the police handled you.

And now until you grow up you will fear the police and not trust them.

CDSmith 06-12-2013 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666915)
i've had my share of confrontations with police. in various states of mind. i can assure you there are times when the cops told me what to do and i did not comprehended properly. guess what, i ended up in jail for the night.

placing blame doesn't help. as i said consequences are given via the sytem regardless.
The advice I'm giving here isn't infallible by any means. It's simply what my inner gambler is telling me as the course of action that has the highest probability of delivering the least painful result.

And before anyone out there accuses me of defending the cops, save it. I'm not defending their actions, I am merely stating the obvious for those that need the obvious stated for them. Everyone's heard of the Scorpion and the Frog story. In this case the cops are the scorpion. They're not about to change, thus the only thing the average citizen has within his or her control in an encounter with law enforcement is their own actions.

Do I comply or do I run my mouth at them? Do I let them have a quick look around or do I tell them to get stuffed? Do I obey the command they are giving me or do I stand there dumbly until they tell me a second and third time, pissing them off by the second? Do I cooperate or do I run my cock hole about my "rights"?

What happens next is almost always going to be the result stemming from one's own actions.

Compliance. The gambler in me say's it's the best bet.

Call it CD's "Comply now and let your lawyer ask the questions later" method if you must.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 12:30 PM
i agree. i learned a long time ago to comply. that said, my comment about various states of mind only bolsters that.

in fact, when i wrote it i was recalling a long-distance motorcycle trip i took many years ago. i had <50 miles to go, it was late at night and bad weather and i was very tired and really wanting to finally get home.
i was pulled over for weaving around at 3am, understandable. but i was exhausted from hammering out some miles and didn't handle myself properly that time. i didn't end up in jail but i got dealt with by that officer. that's how it goes, state of mind regardless.

Jel 06-12-2013 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bigluv (Post 19666962)
FYI I treat police much the same as you do.

You are using "arrest warrant" and "search warrant" interchangeably and I don't believe that's correct.

If I go along with "they had to enter to ensure their safety" (on a cut grass charge, but given she's a lowlife and the neighbourhood is lowlifeville), they still shouldn't have the right to search , which you can see that they obviously did so (to some degree).

Also, if they were so concerned with their safety that they had to enter, then why did they allow her to go from the window to the door. How was it more unsafe the second time around going from the door back inside and to the door? The answer is it wasn't. They were tired of her bullshit and threw their weight around a little, but didn't want to break down the door to begin with because they knew they didn't have a good argument and then they might actually face consequences.

It's not clear cut, but I don't expect cops to enter or search my house without rock solid reasons. Being a dick isn't a good reason. The reason it isn't a good reason is that "being a dick" can end up being a political tool, and it is also subject to much interpretation that does not lend itself to the rule of law.

The real problem is that most people don't a) care if lowlives get their rights trampled on and b) figure it's justified for being a dick because being a dick probably goes along with being a lowlife.

But the whole concept of not maintaining rights for everyone is already a casualty when we start to debate the finer points, and that means that everyone's rights are compromised not just whoever we decide doesn't deserve them.
round of applause :thumbsup

being a dick, or as also stated in this thread 'being stupid', are just not good enough reasons for the police to also act like bullying asshole dicks. Reasonable force etc sure - but this behaviour wasn't reasonable, and I feel sorry for anyone spoonfed a load of shit throughout their life that they think it is, in any way, shape, or form.

Also seems some need to learn the difference between 'explaining they had a warrant' and shouting down & talking shit to a lone female who let's not forget was a 100% innocent party in all of this.

baddog 06-12-2013 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19666978)
i haven't failed anything. you corrected yourself and said the operation was for 12 hours.

if it's a 12 hour operation to arrest 100 people in 12 hours, then the operation has an end time/deadline.

why else would it be a 12 hour operation? instead, devote a large part of the police force to this full-time. makes sense.
I corrected myself? You mean I corrected you?

And I never used the word deadline, only you did. And you seem to miss the point that this was not just one city, with one city's cops.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19667054)
I corrected myself? You mean I corrected you?

And I never used the word deadline, only you did. And you seem to miss the point that this was not just one city, with one city's cops.
ok.

now that all that is cleared up.

again, my view is there was smarter ways to handle this.

it doesn't matter if it was 100 warrants in 10 hours with 1 police agency or 10 warrants in 100 hours with 11 agencies.


that it. if i were running the show there, i would be looking for ways to do better. there are many ways this could have been done better, as i've pointed out, better preparation is front & center of that.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 01:14 PM
state of mind:
noun attitude, perspective, outlook, approach, mood, disposition, frame of mind, mindset, way of looking at things



hope this helps rochard.

Jel 06-12-2013 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19667132)
state of mind:
noun attitude, perspective, outlook, approach, mood, disposition, frame of mind, mindset, way of looking at things



hope this helps rochard.
lol, the driver is clearly a gherkin short of a big mac, but fuck, how that policeman kept his cool is beyond me :1orglaugh Now that's a guy who deserved to be manhandled, right from when he ripped that ticket (I presume that's what it was) from the cop at the very start.. that's just fucking asking for trouble, and he should have got some.

BlackCrayon 06-12-2013 01:38 PM

dyna mo 06-12-2013 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19667174)
lol, the driver is clearly a gherkin short of a big mac, but fuck, how that policeman kept his cool is beyond me :1orglaugh Now that's a guy who deserved to be manhandled, right from when he ripped that ticket (I presume that's what it was) from the cop at the very start.. that's just fucking asking for trouble, and he should have got some.
yup. i wasn't sure why the uploader titled it bad cop but i too was impressed with the cop's handling of the situation, which is why i went ahead and used it here. it's a great example of not needing to escalate a situation to achieve the proper outcome.

the guy was very angry, consequently he handled it wrong. he was lucky because that cop handled it right and proper consequences were doled out.



i was about to post some more on the actual perp in turtle town. ::::

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Ms. Edwards -- who owns several rental units on Maple Avenue with her partner Ronald Cotyk Jr. -- was cited with "failure to maintain property" in September 2010 after a neighbor complained about uncut grass and a sizable Rose of Sharon plant, she said in an interview this week. Mr. Cotyk received the same citation, court records show.
Ms. Edwards said she and Mr. Cotyk maintain the yards the best they can, but she is being treated for ovarian cancer. Since she's fallen ill, she said she has paid workers to maintain the yards of her six rental units in Turtle Creek.
She said she and Mr. Cotyk buy boarded-up houses and renovate them as rentals.
Ms. Edwards never responded to the citation, so an arrest warrant was issued, a staff member for District Judge Scott Schricker said. A hearing is scheduled for July 10, and Ms. Edwards said she has had the grass cut and plans to plead not guilty.

_Richard_ 06-12-2013 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19666606)
It was six officers - plus a seventh person from the housing department. Two of the officers were there for "backup", never spoke to the person in the house, and never entered the house.

It does seem like overkill. However, I am wondering how many of these "silly warrants" are served on a daily basis that quickly go south with someone trying to flee or an officer getting hurt.
different countries. i know for a fact, if this happened in canada, the scandal would be the fact the city is issuing warrants for unkept lawns, which at BEST is by-law, but using 7 officers to do it? bizarre.

this aside, maybe it's an extremely rough neighbourhood blah blah

but if that's the case, they MUST know it's a rental property, and some teenage black chick isn't the person they're looking for

bizarre clip, and glad she posted it. Being cuffed so they can find my id is beyond fubar

blackmonsters 06-12-2013 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19667187)
They are charged with DWD; Driving While Driving.

dyna mo 06-12-2013 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19667187)
nutty.......

Rochard 06-12-2013 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19667085)

again, my view is there was smarter ways to handle this.
And how exactly do you do this better? Have your officers knock on the door, say please, and then leave with any excuse given?

dyna mo 06-12-2013 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19667278)
And how exactly do you do this better? Have your officers knock on the door, say please, and then leave with any excuse given?


again, i've posted suggestions several times, weird you missed those in your haste to label me as some sort of out of my mind adult child. other have posted along those lines as well. you missed all of it. your style of arguing, no worries. i attempted to find a middle ground here with you, there's always a middleground.



:)

baddog 06-12-2013 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19667187)
The narrator appears to be as ignorant as many here.

brassmonkey 06-14-2013 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19667132)
state of mind:
noun attitude, perspective, outlook, approach, mood, disposition, frame of mind, mindset, way of looking at things



hope this helps rochard.
fuck that pig bastard :2 cents:

DWB 06-14-2013 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19667132)
state of mind:
noun attitude, perspective, outlook, approach, mood, disposition, frame of mind, mindset, way of looking at things



hope this helps rochard.
IMHO that is how police should behave and if they are unable to handle situations like that, they shouldn't be on the force. :2 cents: Kudos to this guy, I wish there were more like him.

They are SERVANTS who are supposed to PROTECT THE PEOPLE. They are not supposed to intimidate or abuse them. Somewhere long the way shit got twisted and now everyone thinks raiding your house, acting like an asshole, shooting people for moving too fast, or wearing military raid gear while driving a war wagon and carrying assault weapons is perfectly normal. It's not. They do not need to show overwhelming force and be assholes in order to protect the people.

Think about what "protection" really means and then look at the current state of US police. It is appalling. The policeman in the video could have just as easily killed that guy for whatever reason he made up, but he didn't. He kept his cool and acted like a real pro. That kind of officer is the kind of officer that the world needs of. Not assholes who barge in your home, abuse you, or bark profanities at you.

A person should never have to fear a run in with the police, or turn on all the lights in their home so they don't get shot.

brassmonkey 06-14-2013 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19670693)
IMHO that is how police should behave and if they are unable to handle situations like that, they shouldn't be on the force. :2 cents: Kudos to this guy, I wish there were more like him.

They are SERVANTS who are supposed to PROTECT THE PEOPLE. They are not supposed to intimidate or abuse them. Somewhere long the way shit got twisted and now everyone thinks raiding your house, acting like an asshole, shooting people for moving too fast, or wearing military raid gear while driving a war wagon and carrying assault weapons is perfectly normal. It's not. They do not need to show overwhelming force and be assholes in order to protect the people.

Think about what "protection" really means and then look at the current state of US police. It is appalling. The policeman in the video could have just as easily killed that guy for whatever reason he made up, but he didn't. He kept his cool and acted like a real pro. That kind of officer is the kind of officer that the world needs of. Not assholes who barge in your home, abuse you, or bark profanities at you.

A person should never have to fear a run in with the police, or turn on all the lights in their home so they don't get shot.
he knows the camera is running. some cops will act a fool anyway

dyna mo 06-14-2013 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19670702)
he knows the camera is running. some cops will act a fool anyway
so did those dumasses that smacked that girls face against the counter.

one is in control. the others are not.

baddog 06-14-2013 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19670657)
fuck that pig bastard :2 cents:
Fuck your ignorant ass. :2 cents: :2 cents:


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