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Paul 06-13-2013 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19667523)
Sunshine is a good, intelligent science fiction movie, at least for about the first hour or so, before it unfortunately descends into a boring 'alien'-on-board-picking-people-off kinda thing.

It's very hard to get a very good science fiction movie these days :disgust

We're lucky if we get one good one every year, I think the last one that I really enjoyed was District 9. Can't believe that was nearly 4 years ago! :Oh crap

I'm hoping Wally Pfister's Debut Film Transcendence (2014) is gonna be good, for those who don't know he is Chrisopher Nolans long-term cinematographer.

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 19666846)
Side note, Redshoe worked on that movie. The effects company he works for made the Superman suit.

Very cool! :thumbsup

Si 06-13-2013 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19668099)
Him and his brother are the most talented writer/director in the industry IMO

Also really looking forward to his latest film Interstellar (2014)

I'd love to see them create a HBO TV Series!

That sounds interesting aswell :thumbsup

helterskelter808 06-13-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19668099)
Him and his brother are the most talented writer/director in the industry IMO

Also really looking forward to his latest film Interstellar (2014)

I'd love to see them create a HBO TV Series!

Well, Jonathan Nolan did Person Of Interest (not HBO and not really SF). I watched a few episodes but found it kinda boring. I'm not so much of a fan of theirs as other people though, so your mileage may vary, although I like The Prestige and Batman Begins.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19668117)
It's very hard to get a very good science fiction movie these days :disgust

We're lucky if we get one good one every year, I think the last one that I really enjoyed was District 9. Can't believe that was nearly 4 years ago! :Oh crap

I'm hoping Wally Pfister's Debut Film Transcendence (2014) is gonna be good, for those who don't know he is Chrisopher Nolans long-term cinematographer.

District 9 was great and benefited from being relatively low budget and having an original/different setting. Oh, does Dredd count as science-fiction? I think it was also made in South Africa, and for a low budget, and very enjoyable. I haven't read the comics but the fact that Judge Dredd gave us Robocop is reason enough for him to be my favorite comic-book character.

I thought Oblivion looked promising, but while it looked nice and had some good aspects it was too monotonous, and lost its way I think when other characters, the "scavs" or whatever, showed up.

Prometheus had the potential to be a truly great movie, and it's ridiculous just how badly they blew it with such abysmal writing and 'plotting'.

Moon is rated insanely highly by apparently everyone, but I personally found it tedious and unimaginative (sounds like I think that about everything :upsidedow), and the most absurdly over-rated movie ever, until Drive, a movie that took monotony and tedium to previously unimaginable levels.

candyflip 06-13-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668262)
Drive, a movie that took monotony and tedium to previously unimaginable levels.

Drive is one of my favorite movies. Especially from the last few years. Most mostly from a visual aspect. I also really dig the sound track.

Paul 06-13-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668262)
Well, Jonathan Nolan did Person Of Interest (not HBO and not really SF). I watched a few episodes but found it kinda boring. I'm not so much of a fan of theirs as other people though, so your mileage may vary, although I like The Prestige and Batman Begins.

Interesting, I haven't watched Person Of Interest. Yeah I think people have different tastes which is to be respected, what I respect about the Nolan brothers is their consistency when it comes to producing really good movies.

Yeah The Prestige & Batman Begins are great.

Personally I loved Inception & Memento as well, Memento was another low budget production

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668262)
District 9 was great and benefited from being relatively low budget and having an original/different setting.

That film blew me away, last time I was that impressed by Sci-Fi was probably in 99 when The Matrix came out!

FYI Neill Blomkamp's new Sci Fi film is coming out in August Elysium (2013)

Looks pretty good :) I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with a bigger budget!



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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668262)
Oh, does Dredd count as science-fiction? I think it was also made in South Africa, and for a low budget, and very enjoyable. I haven't read the comics but the fact that Judge Dredd gave us Robocop is reason enough for him to be my favorite comic-book character.

Comic book genre I guess :)

I didn't see it :( Which I regret now because apparently in 3D it looked fantastic!

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668262)
I thought Oblivion looked promising, but while it looked nice and had some good aspects it was too monotonous, and lost its way I think when other characters, the "scavs" or whatever, showed up.

I've not seen that yet either, your review of it sounds like a 7/10. If films are rated 7/10 or below in IMDB I usually give them a miss, love watching great films & TV Shows but I can't stand watching anything now that's just ok. I don't like watching things that are just average :disgust

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668262)
Prometheus had the potential to be a truly great movie, and it's ridiculous just how badly they blew it with such abysmal writing and 'plotting'.

I won't even start on how bad that film was, totally agree!

I'd honestly put it up there with Terminator 3 for how lazy and retarded the plot was! When I pay good money and see crap like that in the theatre I understand why a lot of people download films for free.

I see James Cameron is Directing/Writing Terminator 5 or as I will strictly refer to it, Terminator 3!

He better not fuck it up :)

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668262)
Moon is rated insanely highly by apparently everyone, but I personally found it tedious and unimaginative

Well I gave it an 8/10 but I understand where you're coming from. I originally gave it a 7/10 but when I considered it's $5 million budget and the fact that it's really more of a drama than Sci-fi I thought it was pretty good, plus Sam Rockwell is one of my favourite and IMO one of the most underrated actors in Hollywood.

I think another reason why people gave it a higher rating is because Duncan Jones is David Bowie's son. It shouldn't have any weight whatsoever but I think sometimes if critics gave films a good review (like they did with Moon) then people already have a positive opinion in their heads before seeing the film themselves.

His second film Source Code (2011) I thought was a better film personally

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668262)
(sounds like I think that about everything :upsidedow)

LOL Nah just sounds like you have high standards!

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668262)
and the most absurdly over-rated movie ever, until Drive, a movie that took monotony and tedium to previously unimaginable levels.

I cannot put into words how I feel about that film and I trusted IMDB with it's great rating when I watched that 90 minute music video. I think this image describes how I felt after watching Drive!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...4931504682.jpg

Paul 06-13-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 19668291)
Drive is one of my favorite movies. Especially from the last few years. Most mostly from a visual aspect. I also really dig the sound track.

Interesting, what else did you enjoy about it?

I'd rather just ask what people enjoyed about it instead of going on a rant about what I hated about it :)

Sly 06-13-2013 10:22 AM

LOL. Matt Damon in yet another movie where he is a gun wielding hero.

What a hypocritical jackass.

Si 06-13-2013 11:45 AM

Source code was brilliant! That trailer for Elysium looks interesting, but Jodie Foster? I hope she doesn't get much screen time, can't stand her.

I'm not even going to start on Drive, the people who rated it so highly on IMDB must have watch a totally film. It was fucking poor in nearly all apsects.

stephane76 06-13-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19666594)
I don't know if they have awards for trailer creators, but whoever did the trailer for the new Superman should win an award. I'm not into Superman at all, but every time I see that trailer I want to go watch the movie. It's exciting and epic.

What other trailers have made you want to see a movie you otherwise would not want to see?


Michael Shannon plays a good Villain, was awesome in Boardwalk Empire :thumbsup

That's probably one of the few movies I will go see at the Theater this year :winkwink:

VamosNicholas 06-13-2013 12:39 PM

Anyone else like Metalocalypse?


JFK 06-13-2013 12:39 PM

Fitty Great Trailers:thumbsup

candyflip 06-13-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19668570)
Interesting, what else did you enjoy about it?

I'd rather just ask what people enjoyed about it instead of going on a rant about what I hated about it :)

The color palette, some of the shot choices. I'm back in school studying cinematography with the intention of being a Camera Operator / DP. So for me, I don't often get as engrossed in the story as I do with regards to the choices the DP made for shooting the film.

dyna mo 06-13-2013 12:58 PM

just saw the 10 second trailer for superman and it kicked ass too! hahahah this movie will rock.

oh, let's face it, nolan didn't do a terrific job on dark knight rises. i watched them film shitloads of that movie around my place here and combined with very much enjoying the 1st 2, could not wait for 3. was not blown away.

helterskelter808 06-13-2013 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19668560)
FYI Neill Blomkamp's new Sci Fi film is coming out in August Elysium (2013)

Looks pretty good :) I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with a bigger budget!

Hopefully the higher budget doesn't screw things up. I like Jodie Foster, unfortunately she is usually the best thing about the movies she's in. Sounds from the plot summary it's Apartheid In Space.

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I've not seen that yet either, your review of it sounds like a 7/10. If films are rated 7/10 or below in IMDB I usually give them a miss, love watching great films & TV Shows but I can't stand watching anything now that's just ok. I don't like watching things that are just average :disgust
Actually, more like 6.5-6.9. I've seen quote a few 6-7 IMDB range movies that I quite enjoy though. I think there's often a difference between a good movie and an enjoyable one. :)

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I'd honestly put it up there with Terminator 3 for how lazy and retarded the plot was! When I pay good money and see crap like that in the theatre I understand why a lot of people download films for free.

I see James Cameron is Directing/Writing Terminator 5 or as I will strictly refer to it, Terminator 3!

He better not fuck it up :)
Most T2 fans seem to hate T3 because it's child-friendly, but for me that happened in T2. The Terminator is one of my favorite movies; an efficient, no-bullshit, low-budget 80s scifi cult movie. T2 was IMNSHO an overlong, overblown Hollywood remake of The Terminator, making every mistake Cameron avoided in the first movie.

Remember the one guy who is better than us all; the savior of mankind? He's some annoying kid who suffers from not enough kicks to the nuts in his short life. Remember the bad-ass unstoppable killing machine that can't be bargained with or reasoned with? He's the kid's step-dad.

The bad guy this time is some skinny dude who can conveniently morph into anything at all (but doesn't decide to simply become an atom bomb, within half a mile of Connor), even though it makes even less sense than time machines, which BTW, he uses "no problemo" despite being entirely made of metal and the machine not allowing anything metallic through it OMFGsjfhasdlhfkasdjks

I don't even mind Terminator 3. In fact I kinda like that it pisses off T2 fans. :winkwink: At least we have Kristanna Loken and Clare Danes to look at, rather than Linda Hamilton's sweaty biceps and tranny shoulders.

We can perhaps both agree that T4 was... not even worth getting angry at.

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His second film Source Code (2011) I thought was a better film personally
I liked Source Code, though I can't stop myself being irritated that whatever "source code" referred to in the movie (can't remember), it wasn't source code.

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LOL Nah just sounds like you have high standards!
See above about 6/10 movies. :upsidedow

dyna mo 06-13-2013 01:15 PM

one doesn't dissect t2.

VamosNicholas 06-13-2013 01:18 PM

^^

"Guns and explosives have chemicals, moving parts. It doesn't verk that way."

The first two Terminator movies are both amazing in my eyes. I've come to appreciate the first film now that I'm older, but both of them are still classics.

helterskelter808 06-13-2013 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 19668882)
The color palette, some of the shot choices. I'm back in school studying cinematography with the intention of being a Camera Operator / DP. So for me, I don't often get as engrossed in the story as I do with regards to the choices the DP made for shooting the film.

I think this is the reason I disliked it. It seems too self-consciously acted and directed. You're never allowed to forget it's a film, because the performances are too weird and stilted. The pauses in/after/before dialogue in particular are just ludicrous.

I can see why people might like it in 'technical' terms though, as you're talking about, and the first five minutes are great.

helterskelter808 06-13-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by VamosNicholas (Post 19668939)
^^

"Guns and explosives have chemicals, moving parts. It doesn't verk that way."

Fortunately the kid didn't ask, "So, how does it work, exactly?" :upsidedow

Si 06-13-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668951)
I can see why people might like it in 'technical' terms though, as you're talking about, and the first five minutes are great.

It's interesting you mention "technical" terms. That was one of the main reasons I hated it. Being a bit of a music fan, and being blessed with sight.

When you have the driver, going along a road with both hands on the steering, and you're adding in gear change noises for "effect" I'm afraid that was just plain stupid in my eyes.

How many reverse gears did that car have? I read somewhere stunt cars sometimes have 2 or 3 reverse gears, I haven't bothered looking into that, it made me laugh, but I didn't think it was supposed to be a comedy.

Ryan baby goose was just plain shit in it aswell, Gangster Squad was a lot better IMO, but I'm not saying that was great either. I found that more entertaining, and speaking of visuals, I enjoyed that movie more in that apsect aswell.

helterskelter808 06-13-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Si (Post 19668999)
It's interesting you mention "technical" terms. That was one of the main reasons I hated it. Being a bit of a music fan, and being blessed with sight.

I also disliked the music, if that's what you're saying, even though I know most people cite it as something they like, even people I know who hated the movie. IIRC it was just 80s retro. If I wanna hear 80s (and I do like a ton of 80s stuff) there's an entire decade of the real thing on Youtube.

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When you have the driver, going along a road with both hands on the steering, and you're adding in gear change noises for "effect" I'm afraid that was just plain stupid in my eyes.

How many reverse gears did that car have? I read somewhere stunt cars sometimes have 2 or 3 reverse gears, I haven't bothered looking into that, it made me laugh, but I didn't think it was supposed to be a comedy.
I love reading people picking apart movies for technical inaccuracies. :) I'm not a car nerd but I did think in a movie called Drive, about a stunt Driver who moonlights as a getaway Driver, there wasn't as much Driving as I expected.

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Ryan baby goose was just plain shit in it aswell, Gangster Squad was a lot better IMO, but I'm not saying that was great either. I found that more entertaining, and speaking of visuals, I enjoyed that movie more in that apsect aswell.
I can't pretend I like seeing Ryan Gosling's name on a movie, but I agree about Gangster Squad. I mentioned that I often enjoy 6-7 (IMDB) rated movies, and that's one of them.

Sly 06-13-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19668902)
just saw the 10 second trailer for superman and it kicked ass too! hahahah this movie will rock.

oh, let's face it, nolan didn't do a terrific job on dark knight rises. i watched them film shitloads of that movie around my place here and combined with very much enjoying the 1st 2, could not wait for 3. was not blown away.

I disagree, I loved it. If I have any complaint about the three, it's The Dark Night was a little strung out at various points.

Paul 06-13-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 19668882)
The color palette, some of the shot choices. I'm back in school studying cinematography with the intention of being a Camera Operator / DP. So for me, I don't often get as engrossed in the story as I do with regards to the choices the DP made for shooting the film.

Fair enough :)

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668920)
Hopefully the higher budget doesn't screw things up. I like Jodie Foster, unfortunately she is usually the best thing about the movies she's in. Sounds from the plot summary it's Apartheid In Space.

It'll probably have a very similar theme to District 9, which I don't mind as long as it's good!

Sharlto Copley is starring in this film too "Fucking Prawns!"

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668920)
I think there's often a difference between a good movie and an enjoyable one. :)

Very much so!

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668920)
At least we have Kristanna Loken and Clare Danes to look at, rather than Linda Hamilton's sweaty biceps and tranny shoulders.

That's fucking hilarious! :1orglaugh

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668920)
We can perhaps both agree that T4 was... not even worth getting angry at.

It's really my own fault that I got annoyed after paying money to see that crap, when a directors name is something like McG that's never a good sign :disgust

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19668902)
oh, let's face it, nolan didn't do a terrific job on dark knight rises. i watched them film shitloads of that movie around my place here and combined with very much enjoying the 1st 2, could not wait for 3. was not blown away.

Too many characters and plots to cram into 2.5 hours, audiences don't have the attention span for anything longer these days. IMO he would have needed 3.5 hours to let the story really flow but I do agree it's not the best of the trilogy. Batman Begins was the best of the three.

I still feel he did a good job at maintaining a very high standard throughout the trilogy which I respect because there are very few trilogies where all the films are really good.

Paul 06-13-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19669060)
I disagree, I loved it. If I have any complaint about the three, it's The Dark Night was a little strung out at various points.

Katie Holmes being played by Maggie Gyllenhaal annoyed me, really fucked with the continuity of the film replacing one of the main actors :disgust

Sly 06-13-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19669110)
Katie Holmes being played by Maggie Gyllenhaal annoyed me, really fucked with the continuity of the film replacing one of the main actors :disgust

The only reason I accepted that was because Katie drives me nuts, LOL. Otherwise I would agree 100%. Do not like how Ironman removed Terrence Howard!

Paul 06-13-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19668951)
I think this is the reason I disliked it. It seems too self-consciously acted and directed. You're never allowed to forget it's a film, because the performances are too weird and stilted. The pauses in/after/before dialogue in particular are just ludicrous!

Very well put! That's what I hated about Drive too!

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19669050)
I also disliked the music, if that's what you're saying, even though I know most people cite it as something they like, even people I know who hated the movie. IIRC it was just 80s retro. If I wanna hear 80s (and I do like a ton of 80s stuff) there's an entire decade of the real thing on Youtube.

The music sucked big time! I was born in the 80s and there is a lot of great music they could have added from the 80s to give the film an authentic 80s feel.

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19669050)
I can't pretend I like seeing Ryan Gosling's name on a movie, but I agree about Gangster Squad. I mentioned that I often enjoy 6-7 (IMDB) rated movies, and that's one of them.

He's one of the most overrated actors in Hollywood, the only film where I've enjoyed his performance was in Fracture (2007)

Paul 06-13-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19669117)
The only reason I accepted that was because Katie drives me nuts, LOL. Otherwise I would agree 100%.

Oh I hate her too :) I just felt that entire story line in the second film was pointless because for half the film you're trying to figure out who this uglier Katie Holmes character is, so by the time the film reaches it's conclusion it could never have had the same impact it would have had if Katie Holmes was playing her role in the film.

Personally I just would have cut that entire story line out of the film to avoid that nonsense!

Of coarse that could never have worked because I'm sure the Nolan brothers would have spent years writing the film and then after they found out Katie Holmes couldn't reprise her role as Rachel Dawes :Oh crap

Sly 06-13-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19669142)
Oh I hate her too :) I just felt that entire story line in the second film was pointless because for half the film you're trying to figure out who this uglier Katie Holmes character is, so by the time the film reaches it's conclusion it could never have had the same impact it would have had if Katie Holmes was playing her role in the film.

Personally I just would have cut that entire story line out of the film to avoid that nonsense!

Of coarse that could never have worked because I'm sure the Nolan brothers would have spent years writing the film and then after they found out Katie Holmes couldn't reprise her role as Rachel Dawes :Oh crap

You just brought up an excellent point. We should have seen Katie Holmes on fire!

Paul 06-13-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19669155)
You just brought up an excellent point. We should have seen Katie Holmes on fire!

ROFL! :1orglaugh

Si 06-13-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19669050)
I also disliked the music, if that's what you're saying, even though I know most people cite it as something they like, even people I know who hated the movie. IIRC it was just 80s retro. If I wanna hear 80s (and I do like a ton of 80s stuff) there's an entire decade of the real thing on Youtube.

I love reading people picking apart movies for technical inaccuracies. :) I'm not a car nerd but I did think in a movie called Drive, about a stunt Driver who moonlights as a getaway Driver, there wasn't as much Driving as I expected.

I can't pretend I like seeing Ryan Gosling's name on a movie, but I agree about Gangster Squad. I mentioned that I often enjoy 6-7 (IMDB) rated movies, and that's one of them.

:1orglaugh Yeah, I wouldn't watch a movie just for the music (obviously).

I think the technical stuff is what made it worse, I think if a movie is interesting, you don't really notice that sort of thing. But, because it was already grating on me, when those things started creeping in, it just made it look like a joke in my eyes.

I even find a few movies on IMDB that are rated as low as 4/10 that I like, after Drive, I no longer trust the ratings on there as much anyway :upsidedow.

John-ACWM 06-14-2013 02:34 AM

Damn entertaining.


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