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Klen 06-13-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19668244)
Made a quick check for countries showing Paypal:

andorra, austria, belgium, cyprus, denmark, finland, france, germany, gibraltar, luxembourgh, greece, greenland, ireland, iceland, isle of man, israel, italy, liechstestein, malta, monaco, netherlands, norway, portugal, romania, san marino, slovenia, spain, sweden, switzerland, turkey, united kingdom, vatican,

This is all europe (includes Swiss, Norway, Romania) + Israel, Turkey.

Are you using pro proxy service ?

pornmasta 06-13-2013 07:54 AM

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pornmasta 06-13-2013 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by lyno (Post 19668036)
I would like to believe that this is because of the thread by cryptocurrencies, but it is more likely because of that:

http://falkvinge.net/2012/11/20/euro...es-regulation/

This is what i continue to say since years, refusing porn is a discremination as long as the law is respected

Quote:

were caught in the act of arbitrarily discriminating against fully legal business owners that the banks claimed sold (according to the banks) ?questionable products? like horror movies, movies with nudity, or sex toys

Klen 06-13-2013 07:57 AM

As i said,if epoch and paypal made a contract which says how they can offer it in their system,then that is black and white despise what is stated in their TOS.Also if this will continue to work,i doubt they will allow individually to use paypal,one thing is allowing that to experienced cc processing company and second to paysite owner.
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Originally Posted by rayadp05 (Post 19668058)
I would be extremely skeptical in accepting Paypal for my site, unless they specifically stated in their TOS that they process transactions for adult related sites. And even then, I most likely would not use them. What happens when PayPal decides in 6 months to send out an email blast, letting everyone know that processing for adult sites isn't in their best interest? What happens to all of your new members that are set up for automatic recurring subscriptions through PayPal? I mean, you could send out a mass email blast, letting everyone know that they'd better turn around and sign back up with your site through another billing company, but to me that's pretty cheesy and it also looks very unprofessional.

I'll continue using CCBILL. They have been working very well for my site for 8 years now, and I don't think they will be sending out any emails anytime soon stating that they no longer accept transactions for adult sites. With PayPal, this a situation that could very easily and realistically take place, and I am not willing to take that chance. And especially given their history, in terms of processing transactions for adult related products and/or adult related services, why in the world would anyone else?


dappz-datton 06-13-2013 07:58 AM

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adultmobile 06-13-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 19668261)
Are you using pro proxy service ?

I switched the countries from the drop down list selector in the epoch form.

The myfreecams epoch form does not list paypal. So Epoch enabled paypal just to someone. May we do a poll, who got paypal in own join form, and who not? :)

Also my join forms became different style, larger layout with bigger icons, nice, but also small gray texts with (unreadable) price billed, at bottom. Really how anyone can find how much he is being billed in this layout? I heard of this new form before, but in my site it appeared in middle of the day today (I got the paypal in old form too, so it is unrelated with paypal). I suggest Epoch to make the text (with amount billed) bigger and darker, in those new join forms.

Old form, amount billed in top, visible:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/e1bf3be64...g5zjo1_500.jpg

New form, amount billed (and description of service) at bottom, hidden:
http://www.myimg.us/images/06.13.13/35508.jpg

EddyTheDog 06-13-2013 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19668294)
I switched the countries from the drop down list selector in the epoch form.

The myfreecams epoch form does not list paypal. So Epoch enabled paypal just to someone. May we do a poll, who got paypal in own join form, and who not? :)

Also my join forms became different style, larger layout with bigger icons, nice, but also small gray texts with (unreadable) price billed, at bottom. Really how anyone can find how much he is being billed in this layout? I heard of this new form before, but in my site it appeared in middle of the day today (I got the paypal in old form too, so it is unrelated with paypal). I suggest Epoch to make the text (with amount billed) bigger and darker, in those new join forms.

Is it just Epoch EU progs possibly?...

xxxjay 06-13-2013 08:03 AM

We've been paying our affiliates with PayPal for years, by far my favorite payout method. Only occasionally we have issues with getting the guys outside the US their money.

I love Paypal.

EddyTheDog 06-13-2013 08:05 AM

I notice that the form has changed again the last few hours - Looks a lot nicer than it did this morning...

adultmobile 06-13-2013 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19668298)
Is it just Epoch EU progs possibly?...

We are EU, Mfc is USA. Paypal could be an EU merchant only feature for EU users.
Is there any Epoch non-eu sponsor (for example US, CA merchant) who gets paypal listed in own form for eu users?

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SpeedoDave 06-13-2013 11:36 AM

I emailed my account rep when I read this post yesterday and he hasn't gotten back to me.

I haven't updated my Epoch forms in a while and it was on my list of things to do this month. This will get me more motivated to do so.

Thanks for the heads up.

Dave

PhoneSexKing 06-13-2013 11:38 AM

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Harmon 06-13-2013 11:40 AM

PayPal emailed and informed

adultmobile 06-13-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Harmon (Post 19668724)
PayPal emailed and informed

I think PayPal know and authorised this, at least the european PayPal office(s).
Question: if PayPal will confirm this is ok, why Epoch it can, and others don't?
An answer it could be: Epoch knows the adult market, its merchants, risks, canceling procedures, checks the compliance, so PayPal can trust the Epoch merchants are all nice and handled. While instead, PayPal directly would be a little lost in dealing with adult merchants and pimps like us, or customers doing chargebacks because fapping went wrong. It could be like a delegation contracting, just supposing here.
It could be aliens.

SNRProductions 06-13-2013 01:28 PM

This is awesome...bring it to the US!

prezzz 06-13-2013 01:36 PM

The biggest issue with PayPal would be: what if the history repeats itself and at some point they pull the plug again? Weren't they 'adult friendly' back in the day only to make a 180 degree turn?

Robbie 06-13-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by prezzz (Post 19668988)
The biggest issue with PayPal would be: what if the history repeats itself and at some point they pull the plug again? Weren't they 'adult friendly' back in the day only to make a 180 degree turn?

Yeah, when they merged with EBay they shut all adult down instantly.

Millions of dollars lost in rebills.

PornDude 06-13-2013 01:40 PM

Great, lets bring the 2002 year back.

LightscapeMedia 06-13-2013 01:40 PM

For the record, Paypal has allowed adult for at least a couple years now. What they don't allow is "digitally delivered [adult] goods." i.e. subscriptions, downloads, etc..

Physical items, such as DVD's are perfectly fine, and I have an email from them stating as such.

BFT3K 06-13-2013 01:47 PM

PayPal should set up a "high risk" version of itself for adult memberships, like maybe AdultPayPal or something, and charge 10% for adult transactions.

Paypal would make money, and almost all adult sites would offer this option, so it would be a win-win for all.

Until then, as people have already mentioned, you are still paying 15% to the 3rd party processor, and PayPal can still just reverse course and leave everyone out in the cold at the drop of a dime.

It will be interesting to see where this goes...

Paper_Amar 06-13-2013 02:12 PM

Question:


How prevalent is Paypal in these European countries? If they are not, would this be considered a nice strategy to get market share/users in those countries?

EddyTheDog 06-13-2013 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paper_Amar (Post 19669069)
Question:


How prevalent is Paypal in these European countries? If they are not, would this be considered a nice strategy to get market share/users in those countries?

Big in the UK - Not sure about the rest...

mavruda 06-13-2013 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19667772)
I get the PayPal option in the UK - Interesting...

Has anyone actually tried to speak to Epoch?....

Yah - I spoke to them on phone. At first I was told by their support that this Paypal billing is possible only at the UK, but their other support at - sells told me that this is possible on the territory of whole EU. They currently are working to make that happen worldwide.

However they accepted a policy to work with Mastercard ( and thus their clients have to pay $500 annual fee ).

I was told they convert better than CCbill...... and I use CCbill.

EddyTheDog 06-13-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavruda (Post 19669093)
Yah - I spoke to them on phone. At first I was told by their support that this Paypal billing is possible only at the UK, but their other support at - sells told me that this is possible on the territory of whole EU. They currently are working to make that happen worldwide.

However they accepted a policy to work with Mastercard ( and thus their clients have to pay $500 annual fee ).

I was told they convert better than CCbill...... and I use CCbill.

I wonder if you can say no to MC - Then if someone wants to pay with MC they can use PP?..

Will be interesting to see how this all pans out.....

Jel 06-13-2013 02:24 PM

UK here and I don't see the paypal option. ISP is Virgin, fwiw (if anything).

EddyTheDog 06-13-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19669100)
UK here and I don't see the paypal option. ISP is Virgin, fwiw (if anything).

I get it on BT - Strange...

PornDude 06-13-2013 02:32 PM

We are pleased to inform you that Epoch has added PayPal as our newest payment type. We are launching a pilot program with PayPal to our European-based merchants and their European customers. This represents a major enhancement to our industry-leading processing platform, which already offers merchants the ability to accept more than 35 international payment types and process in 59 different currencies.

By adding a PayPal option, you will significantly increase your sales from people and places that do not favor traditional payment cards. You will also enjoy a distinct advantage in an industry that is rapidly diversifying to serve the mobile market, as PayPal is a mobile-friendly option.

We are honored to have been selected by PayPal for this pilot program, and are proud to offer this payment type to our clients. We agree with PayPal's approach to begin by offering this pilot exclusively in Europe. We look forward to continuing to work with PayPal and leading the industry in delivering quality payment options to our clients.

This pilot program is now being rolled out to our European merchants that accept our full suite of payment options. Integration is completely automatic and seamless, with PayPal transactions falling under the category of Additional Alternative Payments in our agreements.

We appreciate being your payment solution of choice. Feel free to contact your account representative if you have any questions.


Here we go :thumbsup

prezzz 06-13-2013 02:37 PM

Interesting why some of the EU countries have been excluded though, like Czech Republic, Slovakia or Poland to name a few.

Fat Panda 06-13-2013 02:40 PM

bye bye ccbill

EddyTheDog 06-13-2013 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAC (Post 19669135)
bye bye ccbill

Not sure about that - But definitely a coup for Epoch...

kristin 06-13-2013 02:42 PM

This is pretty huge ... could be quite awesome for mobile billing.

mavruda 06-13-2013 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAC (Post 19669135)
bye bye ccbill

Since I'm kinda new in this - I've been told that I'm able to use two payment processors at same time. One to be a primary. So far my clients appears to be only from US and Australia. And it smells to me like changing lanes with Epoch when Paypal is worldwide allowed

mavruda 06-13-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19669098)
I wonder if you can say no to MC - Then if someone wants to pay with MC they can use PP?..

Will be interesting to see how this all pans out.....

I asked them the same question, and I've been told " It would be silly not to sign with MC, since 30 % of the people worldwide are using it."
So like it or not /using it or not/ you pay them $500 annual for MC and f*ck off - basically that's what I understood.

Socks 06-13-2013 03:10 PM

Ugggghghhh can't process with Epoch as a Canadian... Delaware corp here we go again... so shitty.

ilnjscb 06-13-2013 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Socks (Post 19669203)
Ugggghghhh can't process with Epoch as a Canadian... Delaware corp here we go again... so shitty.

yeah but how will you process as a USA corp?

directfiesta 06-13-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 19669268)
yeah but how will you process as a USA corp?

open a Delaware company , open a US bank account , declare your income to the IRS as an alien '' resident '' ,

Had that with Epoch till 2-3 years ago when I closed my paysites.
Bank account was pre-9/11 ( easier to open ) , as well as the company.

Diomed 06-13-2013 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 19669203)
Ugggghghhh can't process with Epoch as a Canadian... Delaware corp here we go again... so shitty.

I've always had trouble with Canadians and ukers who use maestro, switch, and solo. The program I use seemingly cannot process these cards for shit.. And the programs that can don't convert as well..

As an affiliate, my top priority is always to match processors and cards before the first drop of traffic hits.

Sadly I'm forced to purchase predominately US traffic (87%)..

PhoneSexKing 06-13-2013 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socks (Post 19669203)
Ugggghghhh can't process with Epoch as a Canadian... Delaware corp here we go again... so shitty.

Been there twice. First with Nevada, then Delaware. Fuck it, I sayz!


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