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Biggy 07-22-2013 09:21 AM

The law isn't approved until it's approved. The major ISPs don't want to do it. Google doesn't want to do it. There will be cries of censorship. From my understanding this is simply a suggestion at this point, the beginning of what could potentially be a new policy.

When it comes around, we'll actually see what happens. I'm told they wanted something similarly done in AU a few years ago and it got killed. After debating it, people realized it was a waste of time and $$.

That component was part of a bigger component dealing with child abuse as well. We'll see if the legal porn component of "default-on" actually survives.

Here's an article that hates on porn, saying this is all smoke & mirrors: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-internet-porn

TheSquealer 07-22-2013 09:34 AM

It occurred to me that the unintended consequence of such a move might be to popularize and desensitize people to porn. In other words, if everyone has to go on record saying "i want porn", rather than it being a private, personal choice that people don't talk about.. then its going to be a topic of discussion, its going to be a lot of people openly joking about it and discussing it and discussing likes/dislikes and so on. Most likely, it would ultimately become less stigmatized.

StickyGreen 07-22-2013 09:37 AM

Used to be if you wanted porn online you had to actually pay for it... now anyone of any age can watch millions of videos for free instantly on the fucking tube sites... which is why we have problems with young people getting hooked on this shit and fucking up the way they view women and sex and literally screwing up the chemical dopamine reactions in their brains, there are lots of new studies coming out about the negative effects of chronic porn use on the brain... no one should be surprised that laws like this are going to start being introduced by all these fucking orwellian governments who want to control every aspect of our lives... get used to it because you know you ain't gonna do shit about it...

DamianJ 07-22-2013 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19727151)
Used to be if you wanted porn online you had to actually pay for it... now anyone of any age can watch millions of videos for free instantly on the fucking tube sites... which is why we have problems with young people getting hooked on this shit and fucking up the way they view women and sex and literally screwing up the chemical dopamine reactions in their brains, there are lots of new studies coming out about the negative effects of chronic porn use on the brain... no one should be surprised that laws like this are going to start being introduced by all these fucking orwellian governments who want to control every aspect of our lives... get used to it because you know you ain't gonna do shit about it...

Please post a link to a single piece of evidence that backs up that nonsense.

sojproductions 07-22-2013 09:46 AM

Look at the comments on the major news portals, especially the daily mail who claim to have started it all, it's hugely unpopular, the against comments far out weigh the for comments. It may not be a done deal just yet, it's clear most people don't want it and it's just a political smokescreen in most opinions.

Tom_PM 07-22-2013 09:48 AM

It's kind of funny, but not haha funny, that they would do this with any sort of site because the fundamental way that the internet as we know it works is by request and service. Every one of us did, as a matter of fact, REQUEST that the page at gofuckyourself.com be served to us. Then, and ONLY then, were we permitted to view the page, provided we were an acceptable client. In other words, in every real sense the entire internet is already blocked for everyone UNTIL a client requests something.

SGS 07-22-2013 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 19727172)
the entire internet is already blocked for everyone UNTIL a client requests something.

I remember when it used to be blocked until someone paid for access to it. :2 cents:

StickyGreen 07-22-2013 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19727162)
Please post a link to a single piece of evidence that backs up that nonsense.

Nonsense? I wish it was. Even if I did my best to prove it the people on this forum will obviously remain in denial about it because pushing porn is how they make a living, so I don't think I will waste much more of my time. If anyone here actually does care to look into what I'm talking about I'm sure that they are smart enough to use google and research it on their own.

Even if you come to understand that it can be damaging and addicting won't change anything anyways... do you think the guy at the corner liquor store gives a shit that he's literally selling liquid poison to addicts and ruining lives? Doubt it, as long as there is demand for it and he can make money from it he's going to keep on selling it...

Best-In-BC 07-22-2013 10:01 AM

Censor ship in this manner is nannying, but I guess the UK public is use to that by now.

Tom_PM 07-22-2013 10:03 AM

If all damaging things were banned we'd start with religion and would all worship the all-powerful Atheismo.. until it were banned.

Scott McD 07-22-2013 10:07 AM

The UK government priority list is laughable...

Due 07-22-2013 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 19726729)
If you buy a new mobile or get a new sim card they are also blocked until you contact them to unblock it. They do the same with dongles. I couldent even get onto Youtbe until I phoned them and they wanted my credit card details to unblock it .

the so called adult filter in UK is but a real adult filter, it blocks everything by default and then they add approved sites to it rather than blocking "offensive" sites.

anyone using the internet for regular purposes would need to opt-out of the filter.

AtlantisCash 07-22-2013 11:14 AM

i posted this 1-2 months ago and except few, none of you motherfuckers gave damn shit about it, this is our job, our business and we should do something to protect not only our self interests but also the liberties itself.

a troll at the first page talks about damaging affects of porn, how easy we people are seriously to be fooled by nonsense studies and bs?

we all know that yet 20-30 years ago these doctors with tv shows smoking cigarettes appeared on tv within telling to public how smoking is healthy etc, but today they talk shit about cigarettes to sell those "end smoking addiction crap) and who knows what else they aimed.

don't buy every fucking so called study, most of the time what ever you see on media is plain bullshit.

again i say let's do something, we are community and we can do lots of things if we want.

Cyber Fucker 07-22-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Due (Post 19727214)
the so called adult filter in UK is but a real adult filter, it blocks everything by default and then they add approved sites to it rather than blocking "offensive" sites.

anyone using the internet for regular purposes would need to opt-out of the filter.

Oh my, that's fucked up. It will make people mad. It surely sounds like some insane censorship shit. Did they even ask people if they want it? Where is the referendum? I'm sure most society would be against, only some religious freaks would be pro this bullshit. So soon GFY.com will get unaccessible from the United Kingdom unless a one opted out bullshit filter.

Who will decide which sites are ok and which are not? Any site that has user created content had, have or will have explicit adult content, that's how the web function.

I already posted this in the other thread:

Quote:

It is a parents role to take care of their kids. I think any of such default on filter is the rape of freedom. They will start with porn and end on political stuff censoring what's inconvenient for them. This is not right. Besides it's impossible to block all adult content and this will do more harm than good. Parents will think that all the job is done for them... which will be far from truth. While fully legit stable adult websites that care about minors will get their traffic hurt while some bullshit scam sites that just popped yesterday with nasty stuff and illegal content and malware on will find it as a great opportunity.
And I still think this would end like this.

The Porn Nerd 07-22-2013 12:15 PM

Good - bring this to the USA immediately!

BFT3K 07-22-2013 12:17 PM

What is the definition of "porn" ?

Is my boobs-only site considered "porn" for example?

http://www.BoobieMovies.com/Big-Boun.../windex01.html

StickyGreen 07-22-2013 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantisCash (Post 19727314)

a troll at the first page talks about damaging affects of porn, how easy we people are seriously to be fooled by nonsense studies and bs?

Troll? lol, hardly. The affects on the brain from chronic porn/masturbation have been scientifically proven, you are most likely just too stupid or lazy to try to understand how it works. I doubt you have even seriously looked into the matter at all.

And just because I understand that internet porn when abused can be mentally damaging and addictive does not mean that I condone government censorship.

Cyber Fucker 07-22-2013 01:32 PM

I wonder who will take the responsibility for costs and loses caused by this. Probably no one.
For example people who needed to access certain websites but could not because they could not opt out the filter due to busy ISP support what happens quite often or who did not know what was the problem with unaccessible site at all.
Example: A guy needs to renew his domain today worth $10.000 and he cannot access registrar site due to the filter neither contact busy ISP.
Example2: A guy needs to cancel his membership today that prolongs annually (cost $200). He just got to know by an email about his membership, but wtf he cannot access a site. ISP on phone is busy, he sent an email which will be answered a few days later.
etc. etc.

I wonder also if there will be any massage or something indicating why people cannot access a certain website. It should be. Some people don't read the news and they may not know what the fuck and why they cannot access certain websites.


On a side note most of you will take thing more serious when you will see the decrease in traffic and sales. The UK is a serious adult market and I'm sure the decrease of traffic will be significant.

BFT3K 07-22-2013 01:45 PM

I don't pretend to understand how this will work, so this may not make any sense, but...

...if I were to get internet access from (fill in the blank) service provider, and by default the provider filtered out access to "adult sites" (however that determination is made), but then I could simply "opt-in" as a customer that does NOT want this content filtered out, then I would just simply "opt-in" and that would be that, no?

Again, I don't pretend to know any of the specific details, but if what I wrote above is close to how it would work, then why would you lose traffic or sales?

halfpint 07-22-2013 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 19727634)
I don't pretend to understand how this will work, so this may not make any sense, but...

...if I were to get internet access from (fill in the blank) service provider, and by default the provider filtered out access to "adult sites" (however that determination is made), but then I could simply "opt-in" as a customer that does NOT want this content filtered out, then I would just simply "opt-in" and that would be that, no?

Again, I don't pretend to know any of the specific details, but if what I wrote above is close to how it would work, then why would you lose traffic or sales?

That is one of the sugestions the other one is to have it turned on by default which you can turn off but will then automaticcally reset to on again by a certain time. They are also trying to get search engines to block certian types of search terms and these other measures as well

Other measures announced by the prime minister included:

New laws so videos streamed online in the UK will be subject to the same restrictions as those sold in shops
Search engines having until October to introduce further measures to block illegal content
Experts from the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre being given more powers to examine secretive file-sharing networks
A secure database of banned child pornography images gathered by police across the country will be used to trace illegal content and the paedophiles viewing it

Mr Cameron also called for warning pages to pop up with helpline numbers when people try to search for illegal content.

AtlantisCash 07-22-2013 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19727564)
Troll? lol, hardly. The affects on the brain from chronic porn/masturbation have been scientifically proven, you are most likely just too stupid or lazy to try to understand how it works. I doubt you have even seriously looked into the matter at all.

And just because I understand that internet porn when abused can be mentally damaging and addictive does not mean that I condone government censorship.






yea yea, we were discussing about that so called porn addiction in case.

DamianJ 07-22-2013 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19727564)
Troll? lol, hardly. The affects on the brain from chronic porn/masturbation have been scientifically proven, you are most likely just too stupid or lazy to try to understand how it works. I doubt you have even seriously looked into the matter at all.

And just because I understand that internet porn when abused can be mentally damaging and addictive does not mean that I condone government censorship.

And the links to peer reviewed published papers proving this are where?

DamianJ 07-22-2013 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19727182)
Nonsense? I wish it was.

Well I am sure you have lots of links to peer reviewed published scientific papers proving all the utter shit you spout?

No?

Can't imagine why?

Do you watch Fox News frequently?

Thought so.

pinkz 07-22-2013 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenzuelanChick (Post 19726719)
Exactly what I was thinking, Mobile porn in the UK about to go up.

it already works like this with Mobile companies, the default is family friendly, so you have to call to unblock porn, however thats a call you can make at any time and your wife doenst have to know.:winkwink:

not too sure about a call, I had to turn up in store with ID (Im 48 and I got carded!) to get an EE phone unblocked.

I agree if mobile access is restricted so should landline providers restrict their services in the same way by default.

pinkz 07-22-2013 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zealotry (Post 19726781)
Other measures being announced by Mr Cameron today include adult content filters on all new mobile phones

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-opt-rule.html

correct me if wrong, by default all mobile providers in the UK are opt in.

StickyGreen 07-22-2013 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19727732)
Well I am sure you have lots of links to peer reviewed published scientific papers proving all the utter shit you spout?

No?

Can't imagine why?

Do you watch Fox News frequently?

Thought so.

It's not utter shit, it's simple science. I guess you have no clue about how the brain works and what dopamine receptors are.

Sure I could dig up some links for you if I felt like it, but why should I help you out with anything? You're a piece of shit apparently. lol

And no I don't watch fucking Fox News you assumption making idiot... I don't watch any TV news at all...

Cyber Fucker 07-22-2013 03:57 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interne...United_Kingdom
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...web-users.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...line-porn.html

It seems also like they want to ban extreme porn
Quote:

The Prime Minister will also announce that pornography which depicts rape will become illegal and that it will become illegal to possess pornography which is "so extreme it can't even be purchased in a licensed sex shop
WTF they mean by this? BDSM? Gang Bang? Bukake? Spanking? Fem domination? :Oh crap

So what next?

Maybe same as on mobiles?

Quote:

"UK code of practice for the self-regulation of new forms of content on mobiles"[edit]

Numerous British ISPs, including BT, block many innocent sites, redirecting the user to http://btsupport.custhelp.com/app/an...ank/a_id/12756 which states:

Content blocked
In compliance with a new UK voluntary code of practice you are not able to access this site and have been redirected by the BT Content Administrator Service

This uses a barring and filtering mechanism to restrict access to all WAP and Internet sites that are considered to have an 'over 18' status. To date, these include sites which contain information on any of the following categories:

* Adult / sexually explicit
* Chat
* Criminal skills
* Drugs, alcohol and tobacco
* Gambling
* Hacking
* Hate
* Personal and dating
* Violence
* Weapons

Examples of such sites are dictionaries (e.g. http://www.urbandictionary.com/
:disgust

Let's be straight with this, this is censorship and the rape of freedom of speech probably to mask unconvinced political shit. :2 cents:

_Richard_ 07-22-2013 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker (Post 19727801)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interne...United_Kingdom
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...web-users.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...line-porn.html

It seems also like they want to ban extreme porn
WTF they mean by this? BDSM? Gang Bang? Bukake? Spanking? Fem domination? :Oh crap

So what next?

Maybe same as on mobiles?



:disgust

Let's be straight with this, this is censorship and the rape of freedom of speech probably to mask unconvinced political shit. :2 cents:

why is that quoted text you posted show urbandictionary as an example?

NewNick 07-22-2013 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19727162)
Please post a link to a single piece of evidence that backs up that nonsense.

He does not need to - it is already accepted as fact by the Daily Mail, and our glorious leader can sniff out a vote at 300 yards.

No need to let logic get in the way when you have made up statistics to quote.

Cyber Fucker 07-22-2013 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19727805)
why is that quoted text you posted show urbandictionary as an example?

I don't know. It's like that on Wikipedia as an example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interne..._on_mobiles.22

I can only assume that ISPs blocked mobile accesses to it on because of "inappropriate" content. Probably because of definitions of "inappropriate" words or something.
I never really used mobile web, now it got me curious what I can access and what not on my phone.

RegUser 07-22-2013 04:22 PM

porn should definately be controlled, the mother fucking tube sites and even youtube have made a bloody mess. There are no warning pages, nothing nada. All the hardcore shit right in front of you. That includes children as well. Excess of everything is bad.
Internet needs policing

Cyber Fucker 07-22-2013 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RegUser (Post 19727848)
porn should definately be controlled, the mother fucking tube sites and even youtube have made a bloody mess. There are no warning pages, nothing nada. All the hardcore shit right in front of you. That includes children as well. Excess of everything is bad.
Internet needs policing

Nope. It's people who click and decide where they click and who should have freedom of making choice where they want to click. Illegal content
Quote:

That includes children..
is illegal and should be fought and removed by law enforcement agencies.

:2 cents:

wehateporn 07-22-2013 04:48 PM

Don't fall for the 'Save The Children' excuse, they use the same to go to war and kills thousands of children, this is a pretext to create a mechanism for Internet censorship; porn is just the thin end of the wedge. :2 cents:

Due 07-22-2013 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker (Post 19727353)
Oh my, that's fucked up. It will make people mad. It surely sounds like some insane censorship shit. Did they even ask people if they want it? Where is the referendum? I'm sure most society would be against, only some religious freaks would be pro this bullshit. So soon GFY.com will get unaccessible from the United Kingdom unless a one opted out bullshit filter.

Who will decide which sites are ok and which are not? Any site that has user created content had, have or will have explicit adult content, that's how the web function.

I already posted this in the other thread:



And I still think this would end like this.

if there should be a filter then the way it's made for mobile phones are perfect.
you basically can't use it unless you opt out of it.
it's not a porn filter its designed to remove everything you don't wish a 8 should see, including violence, bad language etc.
people who can enjoy the internet with such limitations would not be your typical customer.

RegUser 07-22-2013 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber Fucker (Post 19727854)
Nope. It's people who click and decide where they click and who should have freedom of making choice where they want to click. Illegal content is illegal and should be fought and removed by law enforcement agencies.

:2 cents:

by children I meant our children who can find such hardcore in your face porn shit with a single search and click.
There are well defined rules for brick and mortar shop to display and sell such stuff. Internet became a fucking jungle.
Paysites are finished anyways, now it is tubes's turn to face the carnage

DamianJ 07-23-2013 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19727765)
It's not utter shit, it's simple science.

Yet you can't provide a single link to a peer reviewed paper?

How odd...

Dirty Dane 07-23-2013 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpapa (Post 19726806)
Why we are so worried. Its like an email to opti-inn Those who got credit card will opt inn whoch will filter traffic. I am pretty sure productivity and signup ratio will get increase. We run network from uk and when this impose we will opt inn surely

Ratios up won't help much if total sales goes down. Unless you have huge costs per freebie.

AtlantisCash 07-24-2013 12:08 AM

Guys, i suggest we launch a campaign against this bs, so what we need is gather contacts of all major newspapers, tvs, political parties, isps and the companies who work mostly on internet and the NGOs that fights for civil liberties.

Help gathering this info and let's start out a campaign before it's too late.

AtlantisCash 07-24-2013 01:56 AM

bump bump

RubyGoodnight 07-24-2013 02:03 AM

Cameron is already starting the u-turn on this one.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-8726991.html


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