you're damn right about that. when a 10 year old kid can access webcams of men stroking their cocks without having to go through any type of age verification process, something is fucked up. wonder when theyll get that fixed.

It's parents role to take care of what their kids can access and what they can't access and it's the only right and reliable way to do it. There is a proper software that can filter inappropriate content. Censoring everything for everyone is bullshit.

Damn right, if that had happened when I was ten I'd have been WTF, where's the pussy ?!!?

BS :2 cents: This isn't a reply to you personally Cyber Fucker, the 'you' is those in general who have the same view. So while you're included, none of the following is personal - I just chose your quote :) Anyway...

Passing the buck in this age where the internet is absolutely a part of everyday life for EVERYONE is bullshit. At some point you have to look at your own actions. The internet is NOT 'for adults' and to pretend so, or use that as an argument is bollocks. 10 year olds have as much right to use the internet without seeing thousands and thousands of full length movies of DP, fisting, gagging, and so on as we do to watch it if we so choose. Just saying 'tough shit get supervision' is a fucking cop out - as adults we can keep things out of childrens reach just the same as we do by putting something on a high shelf.

Parks are for both adults and children, but how long do you think it'd take before you, yes you, would be outraged if you took your kids to the park and saw me and a couple of pros fucking away - I'll tell you - about 0.5 seconds. 'that's outrageous' etc would come straight out, and everyone knows it. If I turned around and said hey fuck you, I have the right to freedom of expression, so next time you come to the park take a look first before you let your kids in to make sure it's safe, everyone would be up in arms.

If I then cried 'wah wah censorship! slippery slope! etc!' I'd be rightly dismissed as a nutjob. Take some fucking responsibility for your own actions and stop being selfish cunts because you want to make $$$, or have some utopian idea of what free speech/expression is all about. Just like this industry shot itself in the foot with giving shit away, so it has with the inevitable 'censorship' that is coming, no matter how much pornographers and freeloaders bitch and whine about 'rights' being taken away.

While I can understand where you're coming from with this - that the industry does need to have some level of responsibility - but I think this example (and a lot of the other 'extreme' examples I've seen) doesn't work.

Fucking in public is illegal. Porn in the internet isn't. Even if said public fucking were completely legal, I don't have some kind of sunglasses I can pop on my toddlers face that will filter out all the public fucking, whereas I do with my home computer.

My biggest issue with the whole opt-out filter is all the baggage that will come along with it. I'm sure I'll be added to some kind of list, and we all know what happens with lists made by the UK - it ends up lost on some subway in London or used for some political ends.

The other issue with this whole announcement, though, is much more damaging to the industry than the filtering - the banning of 'extreme' porn. Hell, the majority of the web sites I've worked on since starting in this industry would be shut off completely for UK viewers.

would you let your kids go to the park by themselves unsupervised? i wouldn't yet this is what millions of parents are doing by letting their kids go online without supervision. drug dealers, kiddie diddlers and bullies are in parks and without your supervision your child is vulnerable to all of them just like they are when they are online without supervision.

WHO defines whats extreme and whats not seriously? what a fucking bs, are you also planning to stop couples that enjoy bdsm style of fun within spying their bedrooms?

anyone WHO advocates this joke is a fucking tool, if this legislation was really done with good intention, they would simply make you sign a paper that states weather you want to be a part of family filtre or not, but unfortunately it doesn't, it says hey Jack!, you are a part of this so called filtre, why? because i want it so nor do i care about what you think, it's my ball and i don't let you play.

interesting indeed, but the people WHO claim to be in this industry and yet keep defending such bs with laughable arguements is more interesting than that :2 cents:

ok, why is public fucking illegal? How does that not intrude on my freedom of expression? It is illegal because who in fuck wants their kids to see that? And rightly so - we're the adults, and as such most of us want to preserve kids being kids for as long as possible, before they see all the shit, and depravity (much of which is enjoyable for us adults, so don't get me wrong - but we're mentally developed enough, no matter how much we might think that things don't affect kids mentally).

As for the sunglasses - yeah, you do - you go only to parks where you know that doesn't happen, and make sure your kid only has enough bus fare to go to the safe parks, and not the ones 15 miles further that your kid can't afford to travel to - unless of course someone else's kid gives them the money. It's not the quick-fix sunglasses solution, that is prevalent in society today - give me quick fix! so I can do what I want, when I want, how I want, and so on, but it's the same thing as saying fuck everyone else, if they don't like it, it's up to them to supervise their kids 24/7 when engaging in something that is 100% a part of everyday life now - it's not some priveleged thing for the minority. Just like there's a watershed for TV, where you know that at 6pm you can let your kids channel hop to their hearts content and have no worries, the internet is accessible by almost everyone, and yes, kids should have some kind of safety net. Adults aren't the only ones with home computers and internet access, and nor should they be - how fucking selfish is that?

The list we're all on anyway when we opted out for our mobile phones?

[/QUOTE]The other issue with this whole announcement, though, is much more damaging to the industry than the filtering - the banning of 'extreme' porn. Hell, the majority of the web sites I've worked on since starting in this industry would be shut off completely for UK viewers.[/QUOTE]

Yup, that's fucked up.

And I know I'm all off skew with my reply lol, just done 4 x 16 hour days on the trot, and I'm not as lucid as I normally (arguable, I know) am :upsidedow

Interestingly in the UK, having sex outdoors is not illegal, it's only if you cause offence to somebody that sees you that will land you in trouble. There are many many "public sex places" aka dogging spots that are known to the police and tolerated. I'm sure a curious 14,15,16 or 17 year old could easily pop along to these places to get an eyeful of the real thing if he wanted. It's funny how all the "do gooders" are now mouthing off about responsibility but have spent the last 10 years churning out hardcore galleries and clips willy nilly without a care.

'don't write angry letters if you're not in the UK'

you are fucking kidding me? An 11 year old shouldn't go to the park in broad daylight on their own? Holy shit, is that what it's like over there?

Yes, I would (and have) let my kids go to the park unsupervised, from the age of around 11 or 12. I can't say the same for the internet, and that's due to selfish cunts who make it out of bounds for my kids unless I'm there watching like a fucking hawk :2 cents:

Fucking bring on 'censorship' and putting all hardcore porn behind members areas, obviously it won't eliminate things 100%, just like there is always a slim chance of a drug dealer or pedo being at the park, but it'll help. Having to supervise 11 year olds to the extent most parents do now is not good for parents, or their kids.

Yes, because times & circumstances & accessibility don't change do they :1orglaugh

But yeah, it's 'do gooders' :1orglaugh

Yeah it all suddenly changed 2 days ago when Cameron decided it had !!! Sheep. bah bah bah bah

there are abduction attempts every day in bigger cities, its a risk you're taking every time you let your kid go out unsupervised. i'd really like to know how they plan to block porn anyways. since there are 1000's of sites created daily...how will that work? are we supposed to be adults in a kid orientated world or should kids be watched in an adult orientated world?

You write that, and call other people sheep? Too funny :1orglaugh

The point is it WILL CHANGE NOTHING, dad decides to lift filters cos he wants Youtube, then you're back to square one monitoring devices on an ad hoc basis.

Don't get your point, you're the sheep, where Cameron leads the sheep will follow

So it's actually a very very very slim, almost miniscule chance that your kid is the victim of an abduction attempt - obviously as bad as that is, you can't watch your kids 24/7 - it's just not healthy for either party.

And fuck knows lol, that part obviously hasn't been thought out whatsoever, and I agree it just isn't going to happen, my point is merely to those who say 'fuck everyone, their problem, they deal with it', no more, no less.

Last sentence - it doesn't have to be either of those extremes :2 cents:

It's like the minimum alcohol pricing that they dropped, they know it will just hit the responsible drinkers making them pay more, but the alkies don't give a toss, they'll still shop lift or do whatever to get their booze. The people that currently don't give a toss about what their kids do online will just say "fuck it I'm not having any filters I want my chav TV streaming"

I know you don't, which is why I put a :1orglaugh at the end. Go look at my posts from years ago, if you can be bothered. Obviously you can't, nor can I, so just take it as read that I haven't followed anything dopey dave or his idiot advisors have come out with over the last 2 years, never mind the last 2 days.

There's also a lot of different things going on here, there's a big difference between an 11 year old accidently stumbling across porn and a 16 year old actively seeking it, especially when he could legally fuck the models he's looking at ! Making R18 R16 would solve a lot of problems.

No I can't be bothered, why don't you point me to one, seeing as you know where they might be ! I'm not particularly arguing with anybody, I'm just giving my views on this retarded concept.

Agree 100%

lol, I know, and like I said, nor can I :winkwink: And I know, I bit a bit when you called me a sheep was all. Long days this week and I'm a bit like a bird who is due on at the moment... :thumbsup

Yeah I'd really like to know the detailed mechanics of how these filters will work, apparently it's upto each ISP how they do it. I think each should be made to detail how their filters will work. Cameron says now that written porn won't be effected so does that exclude the possiblilty of filters using just text to filter ?

it won't happen anyway

How can Cameron be so prescriptive about how these filters work ? The Sun won't be blocked, text porn won't be blocked, how does he know ? All this is implying is that the state will provide ISP's with some megalist of sites to block !

The Sun won't be blocked as they helped him get into power. All he's interested in is the having the mechanism put into place which can then be used to censor stuff that they don't want us to know e.g. whistle-blowers, anti-vaccine, debunking of Western war propaganda etc

Yeah I know that, I'm just making arguments for Google to pick up on really :)

No worries, I do not take it personally nor anything on the web. I don't think the comparison of a park and the web is relevant. If I saw a people having sex while walking with my kids I would just walk away with them and if it was too late I would ask them to look away and I would explain to them what was going on and ask them to be not interested with it until they grow up. Simple. I would not be outraged at all. But as I said situation is not relevant. There is a proper software to be installed on the computers and this is the only reliable and right way to do it. I will say it once again, censoring everything for everyone is not a way.
Oh and personally I'm not a it doesn't hurt me financially much as I'm not in the adult business that much anymore. The only think it worries me here is that civilized democratic countries look more and more like dictatorships just like in Orwell's "1984'.

Can you imagine over 60 millions people that will start to call at once... that might get messy. :error

i like shocking amounts of shit... :2 cents: :thumbsup

it doesn't surprise me at all that bigots will try to prevent you from what you want, what surprises me here is some of these so called pornographers blindly supports this bull crap and they think this shitstorm will hit the tubes and free loader sites.

if that is the case, no wonder why our industry lacks productivity with this level of Iq.

protecting children is just an excuse for polititions, as i said above if they really wanted to do something, they could implement a law for an optional filtre rather than making it mandatory.

the ones who crusades about it, you have no place in this industry, you are that weak to expect protection from government's shady practesses, if this shit hits the fans, tubes with stolen content are not only the one will get affected
by this, but the decent paysites...