To be fair from what I am reading the new law in NC allows people with a State ID to vote still. If it didn't that would probably be good cause for a federal lawsuit.

Fair question, easy answer. When I went on food stamps, all I had to do was fill in a form online. On the form I had to put my bank account info, home address, phone number PLUS all of my expenses which were internet, telephone, utilities and rent. In other words, they had all of my account information for all incoming and outgoing monies.

They mailed me a packet asking for proof of my rent and my latest income. I sent them my lease renewal and 6 or so paystubs. They sent me the card. Simple.

NC saying that a state issued assistance card does not prove that someone is a resident is utter, bald faced bullshit. There is no entity that will do more to establish citizenship than trying to get public assistance.. except now.


This is simple. They're trying to block as many voters who trend Democrat as they can. If people really don't see that it's really because they don't want to.

If you look into it closer they actually mean: government-issued photo I.D., such as a driver's license

but of course that minor detail was omitted in that article..

According to the article, which admittedly might have it wrong, they specifically list the 4 acceptable ID's. Drivers license, US passport, veterans card and tribal card. They then specifically ban other types of state ID's which are likely to be held by the poor. But don't dare call it class warfare. That's reserved for when people want the rich to not export their money to avoid paying taxes. :2 cents:

My mom who is 73 went on Medicaid about a year ago because she was in a nursing home. There was a lot of paperwork to get her on this and never once did it ask for a picture ID. They wanted her SSN and other info, but no picture ID which was good because she doesn't have one.

The new law also cuts down the number of earl voting days. There is no good reason for this other than the fact that democrats are more likely to vote early than republicans.

i have never voted in my life....i don't believe that people need governments. especially one hired by corporations, not elected by voters. just my opinion.

There is an estimated 8-12 million illegal aliens in the US. How much of this ID requirement has to do with them? A lot of *experts* suggest that the latino vote won it for Obama last year.

I don't see why at least one valid form of picture identification should not be a requirement to vote.

I'll let you know after your balls drop

But they asked for your Social Security Number, correct?
They do in North Carolina
https://epass.nc.gov/CitizenPortal/c... LoginNoCreate

That's how they keep from issuing food stamps twice or more to the same person, this is how they are going to keep people from voting twice for the same person

Latino does not equal illegal immigrant though. Obama won by nearly 5 million votes. Part of the reason Obama won is not due to vote fraud but rather because many in the GOP as well as their supporters have spent years spreading racism. Minorities probably aren't going to vote for people who openly appear to hate them. Think about it.

I don't have time to be a reporter right now but based on some quick research as well as the comments on that article from people claiming to be in the same state it does appear they will accept state IDs. Not that I am for this law. Requiring photo ID is fine in principal but I think we know what the real intent behind it is here.

If it's true about trying to limit early voting they tried that last year in Florida and we ended up with eight hour lines in some places. Once again we were the laughing stock of the nation. But in spite of that Obama still carried the state.

HUH?!

Each state has a Board of Elections that handles the election process. :2 cents:

Exactly!!!

Food stamps/welfare check to see where you live and make you prove you live there. Drivers license don't check for shit. I can go to any state today and get a drivers license there and never live there.

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You can't get a license without providing proof of identity, residence etc. You can get a drivers license in any state, but you can't have more than one drivers license as all state dbs are basically connected. So you're "point" is basically retarded.

I don't see the problem here. You have to have proper ID to vote. A school issued ID card is not considered proper identification. Everyone in the US (EVERYONE) should have a valid state issued DL or ID card, period. You can't really do anything without one or other; You can't get a password or open up a bank account.

College IDs, public or municipal employee IDs, ID from public-assistance agencies... these are not valid IDs.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo...k-voters-in-th

so who can vote?

take the test.

Canadians can't... so shut the fuck up you goofy twat.

Seems to me that they are working to prevent multiple voting.

Just like they require a SSN to keep one person from getting multiple food stamp accounts.

I still don't see how anyone is kept from getting a proper ID card.

In the same state, they need a SSN to get food stamps, that was issued to them!

anyone else wanna bomb the test?

Reminded me of the written motorcycle test for California. When I finished it, I asked the clerk if the person that wrote it had ever been on a motorcycle.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh ahh i bet they were a fan of you :1orglaugh:thumbsup

when i questioned the effectiveness of the written driving test here, i got an eye exam :1orglaugh

When I passed my Kentucky m/c road test I showed up at the police armory/range as instructed. No one else was there. It was raining. A squad car pulls up and the trooper asks what I'm doing I said I'm here for a road test. He asks if I road here in the rain. Said yes. He asked for my paperwork, signed it, said be careful and drove away. :1orglaugh

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yep, they counted 126 million votes in just about 6 hours.....seems legit.

A couple ideas.

1. Tie funding and representation to how many verified people actually vote in each state instead of using other numbers. This way states have an incentive to make sure more of their citizens can vote as opposed to trying to minimize certain groups depending on which party is in power at the time. States will do all they can to get people to vote.

2. Have voting requirements and procedures standardized at the federal level as opposed to the state level. No more disparities between states, counties, cities, or precincts. Tie funding from federal sources to compliance and in extreme case award prison time to various officials who willingly disregard the laws. No more eight hour lines in minority dominated areas. If so give the governor three hots and a cot.

3. Make voting mandatory for all citizens. Australia does this. This one is more optional but would be nice. Allow the option "no vote" for people who do not want to choose a candidate. The idea is just to get them there in the first place. Softer. Give voters a tax break and make it mandatory to receive benefits from certain programs for the year.

You're fucking retarded, because I never said I didn't need proof of identity; I said the DMV does not go to much length to verify your residency. They don't ask for an electric bill in your name; they don't ask for your last/current employer; they don't ask if you have kids and what school they go to. Do you think welfare ask those questions?

Furthermore, I worked as a bouncer and there is no ID faked more or better than a state drivers license. The only reason we catch them at all is because most people give themselves away before we even look at the ID.

:2 cents:

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years ago there was a suspect issue with illegal Asian voters HOWEVER the investigation got blocked because it would be racial profiling :1orglaugh

All your stupidity is around the idea of a drivers license being basically irrelevant as an ID. It's not. You have to verify your residence/state of residence. You have to provide other forms of government issued ID.

Very nice that you are so forgiving that you don't mind Democrats proclaiming you to be too stupid and listless to actually get any form of legitimate, government issued ID. You have a bigger heart than I do.

no shit, you need ID to blow some asshole for an internet video but not to vote..... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh... Richard, this thread is AWESOME.... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't think the argument is that people can't get the proper ID it is the potential expense of getting that ID that is at question.

For many people having to spend $50-$100 (or in that range) to get an ID so they can vote isn't that big of a deal, but if you are on food stamp or welfare or medicaid or just very poor that can be a big chunk of money.

NC already thought of this.

http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/

Well, half of what you just said is completely untrue.
I did not provide any proof of my social security number to get food stamps and they in fact told me it didn't matter.

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Here's the whole deal on a Republican : You know everything that you have nothing to do with.

1. You can explain the ghetto to a nigga, yet you never lived there.
2. You can tell a women how her pussy works and when a baby should stay in or come out, yet you don't even get any pussy. :1orglaugh
3. You know all the problems of the poor yet you claim to be wealthy.

4. This is why republican policies often cause more problems then they fix.


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Dude, you are getting too fucking stupid to talk to.

I'm turning over a new leaf, I don't want to debate with straight up dumb mofo's that try to call me stupid.

So STFU.

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make sure you don't joke about his exgf

itll get personal

I was wondering this myself as NC has a fairly large illegal immigrant population working in the agricultural sector. And at least 1 democrat, I forget where, proposed legislation that the right to vote should be given to non-citizens. Pretty outrageous even for DIMS.

In California you can get food stamps (CalFresh) and public/assistance without having a social security #.
I checked the apps out of curiosity.
You do not have to be a citizen for either here.

His money grows on trees so he doesn't understand how $20 for an ID is going to cripple a poor person who is begging for change on the sidewalk.
But hey, fuck it right; beggars don't need to vote for a better plan in America do they?

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Except now it turns out that they can get one for free.

Next argument?

Wait? I think I've got it. Now they can't get down to the DMV to get the free ID because they have no transportation! Genius!

It's extremely amusing how so many think that we as Americans, as humans, should be able to GET so much, but should not be required to GIVE back for the GET.

I can forgive you because I understand you are the product of poor parenting and inner city schools.

Richard is developmentally disabled AND Canadian so his misguided arrogance is also easily forgiven and even makes me feel a little guilty about how good I have it. I spend 3 hrs a day in the gym because i have nothing but free time and he spends 3hrs a day working for someone else to earn enough money for lunch.

Life's not fair.

That is good to hear. It fixes most of the financial issues that could come with this.

I still don't like that they knocked the early voting period down from three weeks to 10 days.

We have the right to anonymous voting. Sorry.

Shhhh!!! ;)

They went from 17 days to 10 days. But the law requires the same hours provided as before. Either by extended hours on those 10 days, or more locations on those same days.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-voter-id-law/

http://www.ibtimes.com/sonia-leticia...ection-1392511

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ing-six-times/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...t-an-epidemic/

Are you for real? Here's just a couple of things the government does for you:

- Protects your freedom (though admittedly this may be a little hard to see sometimes unless you squint)

- Educates. Your schools and your kids schools are paid for by the government.

- Improves your health. You and everyone you know live longer now thanks to public sanitation, sewer systems and water treatment. Ever heard of the EPA?

- They build highways you know. And in case you forgot what you use to communicate with these days, they also built the Internet. And not many people know this but the governments (US and Canada) also invested in communication back when the telephone was brand new.

- Who do you think got us into space?

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

So in order to avoid the longer lines you will either have to drive further and go to a different location (depending on how the districts work).

It is dumb. They aren't going to save any money and likely will cost more with the extended hours and locations. It makes no sense other than to try to discourage some voters.

10 days of early voting is plenty as long as there is proper hours and enough voting locations to attend. And if you don't think you can do it on the 11 days of in poll voting, fill out an absentee ballot.

They are not contracting polling locations. The same distance you had in the last election, is the same as you will have this time. Any maybe an even shorter drive if they elect to do more stations, vs longer hours at each.

The only difference is you get 10 days vs 17 days of actual in person, early voting. That is a ton of time to get in and out and avoid Election Day lines.

I hear that all the time...but my question would be: If there are people voting several times using different names: HOW would they know that there is no voter fraud.

The other thing that is amusing to me is: They are only asking that a voter have a govt. issued picture ID.
The same one you need to buy a pack of smokes or a beer at the store, or go into a bar.

I shoot fucking porn scenes. I'm only allowed to use govt. issued picture ID's. NO...I can't use any other ID's.

So does that mean that all pornographers are taking away "fucking rights" because we require a proper ID.

Yes, that's right Mark Prince...here in the USA it requires proper ID to shoot a porno...but not to vote. :1orglaugh