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Sly 08-21-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19767640)
ok, according to true the vote

Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.

More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.

More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.

True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.

Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.

This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000

12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.

The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.

Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.

The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

True The Vote is Chuck Norris approved. I think that's funny!

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19767712)


Voter fraud is almost non-existent in this country. These laws are strictly put in place by republicans to limit the number of votes cast which helps them win elections.

Lots of "almost"?

TheSquealer 08-21-2013 12:18 PM

It is pure insanity that in a democracy - it is viewed as inherently unfair that having a valid ID to elect a lease is inherently unfair or racist.

Even more. It's pure fucking awesomeness that expecting a Mexican or black to get a valid ID in order to vote (same id's required to do a myriad of other things we all do) is just setting the bar too high and expecting far too much.

Grapesoda 08-21-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by purecane (Post 19767632)
you can open a bank account online with not one single document....i've done it before....ally bank.

former GMC? pretty Cool... like a numbered account basically... how did the voting online work out?

Grapesoda 08-21-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19767712)
Until recently I would have agreed with you, but I have actually recently gone through this with my mom.

Here is the problem. The issue is one of photo Id and available documents and cost of getting said items.

My mom was born at home in Illinois in 1940. It wasn't intended that way, but her dad was at work, mom went into labor and by the time dad got home to take her to the hospital she was on the way so she was born in the living room. Since she was not born in a hospital there wasn't an automatic issuing of a birth certificate. When my mom was six months old her family moved to Florida and then they lived in a few different states over the next few years as her dad looked for work. Her parents finally filed to get her birth certificate, but had to do everything via mail and my mom really has no idea where they filed this. She has never had a copy of her birth certificate.

For 65 years everything was fine. She had gotten credit cards, bought houses, cars, had jobs, got a drivers license and lived a typical life with her social security card/number being enough ID. Recently her drivers license expired. A few years prior to this she had stopped driving all together so it wasn't a big deal. She is disabled and has a very difficult time getting around so the DMV sent her a form that will allow her to get a non-photo ID through the mail which she did.

Now, if this voter bill were to be passed in our state she would not be able to vote because she doesn't have the proper photo ID. She can't get a photo ID because the state will not issue one without seeing a birth certificate and she has no real idea where to go about getting that. I would imagine I could send emails and do some searching and eventually find where she could do this, but there is no guarantee. Even if I do find the place there will be costs. The ID in this state will cost her $45. It would likely cost about $20 for her birth certificate. So my mom will have to pay $65 or more for the sole purpose of having the proper ID to vote with. She has been voting since she was 20 years old, now suddenly, after 50 years she would have to pay for that right. For someone like her who is on medicaid and lives in an assisted living center, that is a lot of money. Sure, in her case my brother and I would pay it for her, but there are a decent number of people who don't have that option.

Voter fraud is almost non-existent in this country. These laws are strictly put in place by republicans to limit the number of votes cast which helps them win elections.

fraud hurts us all in many ways and it's always the least able that get hurt the most

Grapesoda 08-21-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19767540)
so wait a min, you are saying we need a driver's license to buy a pack of smokes.... but to vote something like a library card should be sufficient? :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

blackmonsters 08-21-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19767506)
Of the four ID's they are asking for, I have 3, I don't see a problem here.
My daughter is a student in another state, she has 3 of those ID's they are asking for.

The democrats are all against this, but will ask for ID when Obamacare goes into effect.

They just want to make sure that people only vote once is what it looks like, I read some of the numbers from the last election, this is common sense.

I only have one of those ID's.
And the one I have is because I had access to a car to learn how to drive.
Poor MoFo's walking and not driving only have a "State ID" which is not a driver's license and this is no longer accepted under these new rules.

But people provide a Social Security card and birth certificate to get the "state ID" the same as the driver's license. The only difference in the two IDs is the ability to drive.

But it is a fact that minorities are the one's holding only state ids because of no car.
You can fool yourself about this all you want; but it's clear what the goal is.



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MK Ultra 08-21-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19767490)

How dare a state require a Government issued ID to vote!

I mean... the very idea! :angrysoap

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Show one original piece of identification with your photo, name and address. It must be issued by a government agency.
Examples

Driver's Licence
Ontario Health Card
Note: Not all electors in Ontario will have cards with photo, name and address
Provincial/Territorial Identification Card for the provinces/territories of
Newfoundland and Labrador
Prince Edward Island
Nova Scotia
New Brunswick
Manitoba
Alberta
British Columbia
Northwest Territories
Nunavut


http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx...index&la ng=e

Look to your own house we'll take care of ours.

signupdamnit 08-21-2013 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19767640)
ok, according to true the vote

Here are the facts:

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True the Vote (TTV) is a conservative[1][2] non-profit[3][better source needed] vote-monitoring organization whose stated objective is stopping voter fraud.
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True the Vote's website portrays voter fraud as largely a Democratic party problem. It routinely runs stories on election fraud being perpetrated by "liberals,"[14] or "Democrats".[15]

Like many groups pushing for strict voter ID laws, True the Vote asserts that voter fraud is widespread and deliberate, and relies on reports of individual incidents to support this assertion.[16] True the Vote argues for stronger voter ID laws in every state, and resists attempts to relax or remove voter ID laws. On December 13, 2011, it held a rally in Austin, Texas to support a stricter ID law passed earlier that year.[17]
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On February 28, Walker called for the data gathered by the "Verify the Recall" effort to be used as an official challenge of the recall.[23] This information was gathered and compiled entirely by True the Vote. True the Vote's executive summary contended that only 534,865 signatures gathered during the recall effort were valid.[24] There is evidence that True the Vote used a flawed process to discount signatures on the ballot, and that most of the signatures it discounted are, in fact, accurate.[25]
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In October 2012, Rep. Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democrat initiated an investigation into alleged voter suppression by True the Vote. Cummings wrote a letter to founder Engelbrecht, raising questions about voter challenges in Ohio, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Maryland. He indicated that if the efforts to challenge voter registrations were "intentional, politically motivated and widespread across multiple states, they could amount to a criminal conspiracy to deny legitimate voters their constitutional rights."[31]
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In 2012, True the Vote applied to the Franklin County Board of Elections to place polling observers in Columbus area districts with large African-American populations. A November 6, 2012, news report in the Cleveland Leader stated that the FBCOE in Ohio had "determined" five of the six signatures on the application were likely forged.[32] Because this type of fraud is a fifth degree felony, the FCBOE declared that an investigation will be conducted after the election.[33]

Catherine Engelbrecht responded to the allegations by saying that the signatures on the initial form were genuine, and, following Franklin County instructions, were copied onto subsequent forms. She said that prior to the placement of observers, the candidates rescinded their approval following threats of lawsuits. She said that the allegation of forgery was "blatant slander", and that William Anthony, the director of the FBCOE, was formerly the chairman of the county Democratic Party. She requested that Anthony release the timeline of events surrounding the allegations and clarify whether there was any coordination with the Democratic Party.[34]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_the_Vote

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While she portrays True the Vote as nonpartisan, it grew out of a Tea Party group, King Street Patriots, that she founded in Texas. An examination shows that it has worked closely with a variety of well-financed organizations, many unabashed in their desire to defeat President Obama.

A polished and provocative video, circulating among Tea Party activists, seeks to raise a ?cavalry? to march on swing states and identifies True the Vote as a participant in the effort, called Code Red USA.
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But when True the Vote vetted petition signatures in Wisconsin?s recall election, the state?s Government Accountability Board reported that the process was ?at best flawed.? The group raised questions about thousands of signatures that the board deemed valid.
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Ms. Engelbrecht has said her goal was not to stop the recall election, which had been backed by labor unions, but to prove to those behind it ?that unions cannot strong-arm America.? She said thousands of volunteers helped enter petition signatures into a database, which was then analyzed by the group?s software. Of the one million signatures, True the Vote said 63,038 were ineligible, 212,628 required further investigation and 584,489 were valid.

The accountability board concluded that about 900,000 signatures were valid and, in a memorandum reviewing True the Vote?s work, criticized its methods.

For example: Mary Lee Smith signed her name Mary L. Smith and was deemed ineligible by the group.

Signatures deemed ?out of state? included 13 from Milwaukee and three from Madison.

The group?s software would not recognize abbreviations, so Wisconsin addresses like Stevens Point were flagged if ?Pt.? was used on the petition.

Signatures were struck for lack of a ZIP code.

While the board commended the group for encouraging ?a strong level of civic engagement,? it found that True the Vote?s results ?were significantly less accurate, complete and reliable than the review and analysis completed by the G.A.B.?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/us...anted=all&_r=0

blackmonsters 08-21-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19767727)
It is pure insanity that in a democracy - it is viewed as inherently unfair that having a valid ID to elect a lease is inherently unfair or racist.

You're right, it's not racist to require a driver's license, you just need a car to learn how to drive.

Has anyone checked to see if car loans discriminate against poor people?

:1orglaugh

kane 08-21-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19767723)
Lots of "almost"?

I am talking about actual cases of voter fraud. Not dead people still on the rolls or people who filled out a card improperly or who moved and filled out a new card for their new state yet remain on the rolls in their old state as well. Those are bookkeeping issues, not voter fraud. I am talking about actual physical voter fraud where someone tried to cast an illegal ballot.

Let's look at North Caroline.

In 2012 6,947,317 votes were cast in various election. There were 121 alleged cases of voter fraud that were referred to the appropriate district attorney's office for further review. That means the voter fraud rate was 0.00174 per cent

In 2010 when there was no presidential election there were 3.79 million votes cast and 27 cases of voter fraud turned over to authorizes. That year the voter fraud rate was 0.000738 percent.

Yeah, is a huge problem.

signupdamnit 08-21-2013 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19767743)
I only have one of those ID's.
And the one I have is because I had access to a car to learn how to drive.
Poor MoFo's walking and not driving only have a "State ID" which is not a driver's license and this is no longer accepted under these new rules.

But people provide a Social Security card and birth certificate to get the "state ID" the same as the driver's license. The only difference in the two IDs is the ability to drive.

But it is a fact that minorities are the one's holding only state ids because of no car.
You can fool yourself about this all you want; but it's clear what the goal is.



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To be fair from what I am reading the new law in NC allows people with a State ID to vote still. If it didn't that would probably be good cause for a federal lawsuit.

Tom_PM 08-21-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19767545)
And just how do they get public assistance without one of those ID's.

Please show me a list of adults that don't drive or drink in NC. Remember this is a NASCAR state. I'm sure a state ID card works as well.

Fair question, easy answer. When I went on food stamps, all I had to do was fill in a form online. On the form I had to put my bank account info, home address, phone number PLUS all of my expenses which were internet, telephone, utilities and rent. In other words, they had all of my account information for all incoming and outgoing monies.

They mailed me a packet asking for proof of my rent and my latest income. I sent them my lease renewal and 6 or so paystubs. They sent me the card. Simple.

NC saying that a state issued assistance card does not prove that someone is a resident is utter, bald faced bullshit. There is no entity that will do more to establish citizenship than trying to get public assistance.. except now.


This is simple. They're trying to block as many voters who trend Democrat as they can. If people really don't see that it's really because they don't want to.

woj 08-21-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19767752)
You're right, it's not racist to require a driver's license, you just need a car to learn how to drive.

Has anyone checked to see if car loans discriminate against poor people?

:1orglaugh

If you look into it closer they actually mean: government-issued photo I.D., such as a driver's license

but of course that minor detail was omitted in that article..

Tom_PM 08-21-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19767766)
To be fair from what I am reading the new law in NC allows people with a State ID to vote still. If it didn't that would probably be good cause for a federal lawsuit.

According to the article, which admittedly might have it wrong, they specifically list the 4 acceptable ID's. Drivers license, US passport, veterans card and tribal card. They then specifically ban other types of state ID's which are likely to be held by the poor. But don't dare call it class warfare. That's reserved for when people want the rich to not export their money to avoid paying taxes. :2 cents:

kane 08-21-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19767773)
Fair question, easy answer. When I went on food stamps, all I had to do was fill in a form online. On the form I had to put my bank account info, home address, phone number PLUS all of my expenses which were internet, telephone, utilities and rent. In other words, they had all of my account information for all incoming and outgoing monies.

They mailed me a packet asking for proof of my rent and my latest income. I sent them my lease renewal and 6 or so paystubs. They sent me the card. Simple.

NC saying that a state issued assistance card does not prove that someone is a resident is utter, bald faced bullshit. There is no entity that will do more to establish citizenship than trying to get public assistance.. except now.


This is simple. They're trying to block as many voters who trend Democrat as they can. If people really don't see that it's really because they don't want to.

My mom who is 73 went on Medicaid about a year ago because she was in a nursing home. There was a lot of paperwork to get her on this and never once did it ask for a picture ID. They wanted her SSN and other info, but no picture ID which was good because she doesn't have one.

kane 08-21-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19767777)
According to the article, which admittedly might have it wrong, they specifically list the 4 acceptable ID's. Drivers license, US passport, veterans card and tribal card. They then specifically ban other types of state ID's which are likely to be held by the poor. But don't dare call it class warfare. That's reserved for when people want the rich to not export their money to avoid paying taxes. :2 cents:

The new law also cuts down the number of earl voting days. There is no good reason for this other than the fact that democrats are more likely to vote early than republicans.

purecane 08-21-2013 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19767728)
former GMC? pretty Cool... like a numbered account basically... how did the voting online work out?

i have never voted in my life....i don't believe that people need governments. especially one hired by corporations, not elected by voters. just my opinion.

Minte 08-21-2013 01:23 PM

There is an estimated 8-12 million illegal aliens in the US. How much of this ID requirement has to do with them? A lot of *experts* suggest that the latino vote won it for Obama last year.

I don't see why at least one valid form of picture identification should not be a requirement to vote.

Vendzilla 08-21-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19767679)
Did you vote for Lincoln or were you part of the southern state rights slavery thingy?

I'll let you know after your balls drop

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19767773)
Fair question, easy answer. When I went on food stamps, all I had to do was fill in a form online. On the form I had to put my bank account info, home address, phone number PLUS all of my expenses which were internet, telephone, utilities and rent. In other words, they had all of my account information for all incoming and outgoing monies.

They mailed me a packet asking for proof of my rent and my latest income. I sent them my lease renewal and 6 or so paystubs. They sent me the card. Simple.

NC saying that a state issued assistance card does not prove that someone is a resident is utter, bald faced bullshit. There is no entity that will do more to establish citizenship than trying to get public assistance.. except now.


This is simple. They're trying to block as many voters who trend Democrat as they can. If people really don't see that it's really because they don't want to.

But they asked for your Social Security Number, correct?
They do in North Carolina
https://epass.nc.gov/CitizenPortal/c... LoginNoCreate

That's how they keep from issuing food stamps twice or more to the same person, this is how they are going to keep people from voting twice for the same person

Barry-xlovecam 08-21-2013 01:53 PM

Personally, I have a US Passport and a driver's license.
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Of the various forms of state-issued ID, only four are valid for voting: driver’s licenses, passports, veteran’s IDs, and tribal cards.
Fucking idiot. The state does not issue passports, veteran’s IDs, or tribal cards -- the US Federal Government does (tribal council in the case of tribal cards) ...

But a passport, (veteran’s ID maybe,**) or tribal card would prove citizenship where a state issued driver's license would not. (Citizenship is not indicated nor required in this state anyway :upsidedow).

signupdamnit 08-21-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19767822)
There is an estimated 8-12 million illegal aliens in the US. How much of this ID requirement has to do with them? A lot of *experts* suggest that the latino vote won it for Obama last year.

I don't see why at least one valid form of picture identification should not be a requirement to vote.

Latino does not equal illegal immigrant though. Obama won by nearly 5 million votes. Part of the reason Obama won is not due to vote fraud but rather because many in the GOP as well as their supporters have spent years spreading racism. Minorities probably aren't going to vote for people who openly appear to hate them. Think about it.

signupdamnit 08-21-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19767777)
According to the article, which admittedly might have it wrong, they specifically list the 4 acceptable ID's. Drivers license, US passport, veterans card and tribal card. They then specifically ban other types of state ID's which are likely to be held by the poor. But don't dare call it class warfare. That's reserved for when people want the rich to not export their money to avoid paying taxes. :2 cents:

I don't have time to be a reporter right now but based on some quick research as well as the comments on that article from people claiming to be in the same state it does appear they will accept state IDs. Not that I am for this law. Requiring photo ID is fine in principal but I think we know what the real intent behind it is here.

If it's true about trying to limit early voting they tried that last year in Florida and we ended up with eight hour lines in some places. Once again we were the laughing stock of the nation. But in spite of that Obama still carried the state.

epitome 08-21-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by purecane (Post 19767649)
what about Obama hiring George Soros' company to count all those fraudulent votes????? nobody wants to talk about that huh?

HUH?!

Each state has a Board of Elections that handles the election process. :2 cents:

blackmonsters 08-21-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19767773)
Fair question, easy answer. When I went on food stamps, all I had to do was fill in a form online. On the form I had to put my bank account info, home address, phone number PLUS all of my expenses which were internet, telephone, utilities and rent. In other words, they had all of my account information for all incoming and outgoing monies.

They mailed me a packet asking for proof of my rent and my latest income. I sent them my lease renewal and 6 or so paystubs. They sent me the card. Simple.

NC saying that a state issued assistance card does not prove that someone is a resident is utter, bald faced bullshit. There is no entity that will do more to establish citizenship than trying to get public assistance.. except now.


This is simple. They're trying to block as many voters who trend Democrat as they can. If people really don't see that it's really because they don't want to.

Exactly!!!

Food stamps/welfare check to see where you live and make you prove you live there. Drivers license don't check for shit. I can go to any state today and get a drivers license there and never live there.

:thumbsup

TheSquealer 08-21-2013 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19768019)
Exactly!!!

Food stamps/welfare check to see where you live and make you prove you live there. Drivers license don't check for shit. I can go to any state today and get a drivers license there and never live there.

:thumbsup

You can't get a license without providing proof of identity, residence etc. You can get a drivers license in any state, but you can't have more than one drivers license as all state dbs are basically connected. So you're "point" is basically retarded.

Rochard 08-21-2013 03:54 PM

I don't see the problem here. You have to have proper ID to vote. A school issued ID card is not considered proper identification. Everyone in the US (EVERYONE) should have a valid state issued DL or ID card, period. You can't really do anything without one or other; You can't get a password or open up a bank account.

College IDs, public or municipal employee IDs, ID from public-assistance agencies... these are not valid IDs.

_Richard_ 08-21-2013 03:56 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo...k-voters-in-th

so who can vote?

take the test.

TheSquealer 08-21-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19768076)

Canadians can't... so shut the fuck up you goofy twat.

Vendzilla 08-21-2013 04:06 PM

Seems to me that they are working to prevent multiple voting.

Just like they require a SSN to keep one person from getting multiple food stamp accounts.

I still don't see how anyone is kept from getting a proper ID card.

In the same state, they need a SSN to get food stamps, that was issued to them!

_Richard_ 08-21-2013 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19768084)
Canadians can't... so shut the fuck up you goofy twat.

anyone else wanna bomb the test?

Vendzilla 08-21-2013 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19768090)
anyone else wanna bomb the test?

Reminded me of the written motorcycle test for California. When I finished it, I asked the clerk if the person that wrote it had ever been on a motorcycle.

_Richard_ 08-21-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19768093)
Reminded me of the written motorcycle test for California. When I finished it, I asked the clerk if the person that wrote it had ever been on a motorcycle.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh ahh i bet they were a fan of you :1orglaugh:thumbsup

when i questioned the effectiveness of the written driving test here, i got an eye exam :1orglaugh

L-Pink 08-21-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19768093)
Reminded me of the written motorcycle test for California. When I finished it, I asked the clerk if the person that wrote it had ever been on a motorcycle.

When I passed my Kentucky m/c road test I showed up at the police armory/range as instructed. No one else was there. It was raining. A squad car pulls up and the trooper asks what I'm doing I said I'm here for a road test. He asks if I road here in the rain. Said yes. He asked for my paperwork, signed it, said be careful and drove away. :1orglaugh

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purecane 08-21-2013 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19767997)
HUH?!

Each state has a Board of Elections that handles the election process. :2 cents:

yep, they counted 126 million votes in just about 6 hours.....seems legit.

signupdamnit 08-21-2013 04:20 PM

A couple ideas.

1. Tie funding and representation to how many verified people actually vote in each state instead of using other numbers. This way states have an incentive to make sure more of their citizens can vote as opposed to trying to minimize certain groups depending on which party is in power at the time. States will do all they can to get people to vote.

2. Have voting requirements and procedures standardized at the federal level as opposed to the state level. No more disparities between states, counties, cities, or precincts. Tie funding from federal sources to compliance and in extreme case award prison time to various officials who willingly disregard the laws. No more eight hour lines in minority dominated areas. If so give the governor three hots and a cot.

3. Make voting mandatory for all citizens. Australia does this. This one is more optional but would be nice. Allow the option "no vote" for people who do not want to choose a candidate. The idea is just to get them there in the first place. Softer. Give voters a tax break and make it mandatory to receive benefits from certain programs for the year.

blackmonsters 08-21-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19768029)
You can't get a license without providing proof of identity, residence etc. You can get a drivers license in any state, but you can't have more than one drivers license as all state dbs are basically connected. So you're "point" is basically retarded.

You're fucking retarded, because I never said I didn't need proof of identity; I said the DMV does not go to much length to verify your residency. They don't ask for an electric bill in your name; they don't ask for your last/current employer; they don't ask if you have kids and what school they go to. Do you think welfare ask those questions?

Furthermore, I worked as a bouncer and there is no ID faked more or better than a state drivers license. The only reason we catch them at all is because most people give themselves away before we even look at the ID.

:2 cents:

Grapesoda 08-21-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by purecane (Post 19767605)
yep, judging by the outcome of the last two elections, there was no voter fraud.....because Obama is both young and white.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Grapesoda 08-21-2013 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by purecane (Post 19767790)
i have never voted in my life....i don't believe that people need governments. especially one hired by corporations, not elected by voters. just my opinion.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Grapesoda 08-21-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 19767822)
There is an estimated 8-12 million illegal aliens in the US. How much of this ID requirement has to do with them? A lot of *experts* suggest that the latino vote won it for Obama last year.

I don't see why at least one valid form of picture identification should not be a requirement to vote.

years ago there was a suspect issue with illegal Asian voters HOWEVER the investigation got blocked because it would be racial profiling :1orglaugh

TheSquealer 08-21-2013 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19768125)
You're fucking retarded, because I never said I didn't need proof of identity; I said the DMV does not go to much length to verify your residency

All your stupidity is around the idea of a drivers license being basically irrelevant as an ID. It's not. You have to verify your residence/state of residence. You have to provide other forms of government issued ID.

Very nice that you are so forgiving that you don't mind Democrats proclaiming you to be too stupid and listless to actually get any form of legitimate, government issued ID. You have a bigger heart than I do.


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