I lost my ID two days ago. Today I couldn't even ship a package via UPS without one and some people think people should be able vote without one? That's fucking insane.

It's fucked up is what it is. Of COURSE you should have some kind of govt. issued picture ID. Anybody can get one.

But according to Democrat politicians (and the sheep who listen to them), black people are just too stupid and helpless to be able to have an ID.

It's an insult to all blacks.

I never suggested that they contracted the number of polling stations. They say they will increase the number and increase hours to make up for the fewer days. So far everywhere they have have contracted days, even with increased hours, (See Florida) it has resulted in longer lines.

So in NC a person is likely going to either have to wait in a longer line, go during a strange hour or go to a different location.

The reality is that more democrats vote early than republicans. Go here and see for yourself. In almost every state the early voting benefits democrats. Republicans don't like that and this is a way for them to limit that.

I have said it several times in this thread. There is no voter fraud problem in this country. They are claiming to fix a problem that does not exist when the reality is that they are just trying to limit the number of votes cast which aids republicans.

And AGAIN, I say: How do you know that?

If it's voter FRAUD, and they aren't checking ID's then NOBODY knows for sure.

That's the whole point of having an ID and making sure it's one man/one vote

I'm so sick of being a person who is required to do everything...and meanwhile I have to listen to people whine and complain about the stupidest shit and claim they just can't do it.

"I can't get an ID"
Oh yeah? Tell that to the cops when they ask you for your ID...those bastards will arrest you.
This is a ridiculous notion that in the year 2013 people are unable to have an ID. Bullshit.

Question.

Let's say I vote in District 25. Can I then go to District 27 and vote again? What about District 34? Could I theoretically go down the line and visit every district within my state within that timeframe and vote, and nobody would be the wiser? Furthermore, could I do that within each polling station within my own district?

There's no voter fraud problem in this country. There have been more than enough studies showing this. It's just desperate voter suppression, pure and simple.:2 cents:

"hey, this group of people is never going to vote for us. here's an idea...let's try to take their votes away! Brilliant!"

You don't KNOW that. You have no way of knowing if people are not voting over and over at different polling stations.

And you better believe that politicians have organizations that bus them around.
That shit has been going on for over a hundred years.

Once you have to show ID and you are recorded as having already voted on a database...THEN you can say there is no voter fraud.

There is absolutely, 100% NO reason for a person to not have an ID. Not in this day and age. No way.

I'm sorry, I have no sympathy for people that have to wait a little bit in order to early vote. If they changed it to one or two days only, ok that would be an argument. But this 10 days encompasses two full weekends in order to vote early. And if you still can't be bothered to wait, just vote via absentee ballot.

I know it because there have been numerous studies and stats released by the various states and investigative groups showing that cases of actual voter fraud are almost non-existent.

Does this mean that there has never been someone who voted more than once? No. Does this mean that there might be a few people out there who have perpetrated voter fraud? No. But the story being told is that there are legions of illegals who are casting ballots in the elections and there simply is no proof of that happening.

In Florida during the 2012 election there were about 8.4 million votes cast. The republican governor had an investigation done after the fact to see if there were large numbers of illegals voting. They found 1,800 ballots where they questioned whether or not the person was legal. They sent those people letters and are forcing them to show they are citizens or those votes won't count and they won't be allowed to vote in the future. 1,800 out of 8.4 million and those were just suspects. I have no idea how many actually turned out to be cast by illegals.

There is an easy solution to all of this. Do it as they do in my state and a growing number of states. Vote by mail. You get the ballot in the mail, fill it out and mail it back or drop it off in any number of drop spots. This way each person gets one ballot, there is no confusion about what precinct to go to, there are no lines, there is no shortage of voting machines, no voter intimidation. It is clear, easy and simple.

It also encourages voter turnout. My state consistently has over a 60% voter turnout which is about 8% higher than the national average and is always among the states with the highest voter turnout.

Of course many states won't do this because republicans know that the more people who vote the lower their chances of winning.

wow....mark, i'm gonna give you a pass on this one, because i really can't believe this response....
1. protects MY freedom? when was the last time anyone actually came to this country and threatened OUR freedom? this government does nothing but infringe on other peoples freedoms daily.
2. educates who? those that can afford an ivy league education. the rest get lied to with everything from "christopher columbus discovered america" to "god made the earth and all the creatures on it in seven days"
3. our roads, bridges and infrastructure was a great accomplishment sixty years ago. how did all those people live without pavement, sewers, and electricity?
4. health care, yeah, every person on this planet died a horrible death because they couldn't get an hmo, ppo, or fucking blue cross.
5. seriously? the fucking internet and telephones..........yep, Alexander Graham Bell got a huge government subsidy so he could introduce communication to the world.
6.space?????? i'm not sure i follow your logic on that one, but how has space exploration helped your life?.....and last time i checked, nasa was bankrupt and the space program is gone.


no hard feelings, etc etc etc etc etc.....you get the point.
and BTW, i hit you up on skype a while ago.

In theory you could, but it likely wouldn't count and you would likely get the police at your door.

The way it works in most states where they have precincts is that you show up and your name is on the roll. They mark that you have voted and you cast your ballot.

If you went to a different district your name would not be on their rolls. Most states will allow you to vote, but they will call the precinct you should have voted at and confirm that you haven't already voted there. You could use a different name, but unless you registered under that name, again, you won't be on the rolls and they will want to know where you live so they can check your home precinct to make sure you aren't voting twice.

The only way to get away with it would be to register under different names in different districts and then go to each of those locations. Most voter registration cards require you to put some kind of ID info on it either your SSN or your DL number or something like that. If those are bogus numbers they could come back as fake. If you are using someone else's it could come back as duplicate.

Dude, they have NO way to know if I go and vote ten times at different locations.
If I don't have to show my ID I can just use a different name at every polling location.

It's easy to do. And if you don't think that some of these career local, state, and federal politicians don't have groups of people doing that...then you aren't thinking clearly about it.

You're citing "studies" that have NO way of knowing anything because nobody has to show an ID. NOBODY knows how much voter fraud is going on.

So if you have to show your ID damn near everywhere you go...are you telling me that you honestly believe that there is a big number of poor, pitiful Democrat voters that somehow, some way don't have any ID at all?

How the fuck can that be?

Are they homeless bums on the streets? Because you can't even get the electricity turned on without ID. So I call BULLSHIT.

It's also amazing that you basically live in a cave when it comes to your knowledge of the poor in America.

I've never seen my name checked off of a "roll" as you say. Ever.

And as far as that goes...since I don't need any ID...what's to stop a person from doing it?
Nothing.

And again...there is absolutely no way to say that there is no voter fraud. They have no way of knowing it.

Hell, in the city of Chicago it's famous for the last 150 years or so for all the mass voter fraud.

I went to a private college in the sticks you dumbass.

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So when you walk into your precinct to vote they don't ask your name and look you up on a list?

There were stories pouring out of Ohio in the Kerry Vs Bush election about how the state had too few voting machines in the democrat heavy areas and they switched the rules about a week before the election about being able to vote at a precinct that wasn't yours. So they had people waiting in line 6-8 hours only to be told they have to go across town to a different place.

Prior to going to vote by mail I have always been asked for my name and had it checked against the voter rolls.

You really think there are groups put together by politicians and bused around town on election day to vote numerous times? In most states, because of the rolls, this isn't possible unless they have multiple fake registrations. Also, none of these people have ever come forward? In this day and age when a guy murders his wife and puts it on Facebook nobody has said anything?

I find it hard to believe.

In the end. I am not opposed to the ID system so long as there is something in place to help those who have little or no money or resources get the proper ID without having to spend money to do so. I do have a problem when they start reducing early voting days and changing laws that make it harder to vote.

Yup, you've obviously never voted. Now I'm just wondering if it is because you're not old enough.

That's weird. I've never not been checked off. :2 cents:

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really? that's the best you got? at least spell it out for me, what have i said that is sooooo juvenile? i'll be 40 next Wednesday and i have lived more than most people. i don't vote because i don't believe our votes matter. E.g. the electoral college and huge corporate donations......feel free to contact me if you wanna have an adult conversation about the voting process.

No because you don't have a car and that's why you don't have a drivers license to vote.

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Yo....

I get your point, but still. I'm not just talking about America, but Canada too. We're allowed to say and do just about anything we want. We have freedom of speech, freedom to carry guns, freedom to love and marry who we want, to vote, etc. Education is in a bad state but it can be fixed. Maybe the US health care system is weird but Canada and other countries have it free.

The Internet was invented by the government's DARPA. NASA is funded by the government (and no they're not bankrupt. They closed the shuttle program sure but the also sent robots to Mars, satelights to study the sun and planets. And let's not forget the moon missions, the Voyager crafts, etc. I was answering someone's "Why do we need government" question.

I don't see you on Skype, sorry - are you sure it was me you hit up? "markfrom2much".

I come from divorced parents that had blue collar jobs and 2 severely disabled children with high medical expenses. I know the poor life just fine. I didn't like it much. Great incentive for me, wish others were the same.

I don't push people down by expecting them to fail. I expect them to succeed, which will never happen as "we" constantly allow these people to fail by giving them just enough to get by but no real reason to step up and be the people they CAN be.

I was 18, had a 1942 45" chopper, extended front end, suicide shift, owned the bike for a couple days; no way was I going to pass the test with that. This chick I worked with had her boyfriend lend me his little Honda or Yamaha, don't recall, probably a 125 or something like that. They sent me out back on a cul-de-sac to wait for the guy that would test me (I heard it was figure 8's each way with feet on pegs). It took the guy a while to get there and I had only ridden it a couple miles to the DMV, so I decided to play with it; doing wheelies up the street when the tester came out. He just signed me off and told me to go in and get my license.

There must be another excuse.

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Voting periods; total bullshit. If time is an issue, go with absentee ballots.

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Or mail it in.

So, what is the cutoff line?

Every time I have visited a polling station they sure as hell lined my name out when I signed in. :2 cents:
Madea's College for Backward Kids?

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"these people"

Are you gritting your teeth while typing?

Didn't ever see a piece of paper with my name on it and a person marking it off. I have a dozen polling places nearby that I can vote at.

Maybe I just never noticed it before and these last few elections they are scanning my voter card instead?

Doesn't matter though. If a political campaign's local office wants to put together a few busloads of people to vote over and over at different polling stations it would be easy as pie as long as you don't show your ID.

For people to think it doesn't happen is just dumb. You would simply have several voter cards under different names.

Hell, this last election I changed from Democrat to Libertarian. I registered online and had my card mailed to me.
I suppose I could have done that a dozen times using a dozen names and had each card sent to a friends house for me to pick up.

Then I could have gone on a voting spree.

STFU race card player.

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Fuck! Your parents had jobs???

That must have made you poor as hell.

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I think you're trying to be helpful but this is absolutely ridiculous. Even assuming you don't understand what "often" means the home birth rate in the US is .72% and most home births occur in THE NORTHWEST. Most of those are BY CHOICE with a licensed midwife.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db84.htm

The healthcare system was not invented by government, it was invented by private people working as doctors and nurses. The Telephone system was not invented by government, it was invented by private business. The power grid was not built by government, it was built by private business. The Education system was not built by government, it was built by private teachers and people banding together to build a school for their communities. The original road system was all built by private companies and local people. The technology that that ARPA was based on was developed by IBM and Rand.

The government later came and took over or heavily regulated all of these things, but that does NOT mean that they were provided to us by government in the first place.

If government had taken over car production 100 years ago, we would all still be driving Model T's and people would be saying "Who would build cars if it wasn't for government?".

In fact, with the collapse of the Soviet Block in Eastern Europe, hard line party members were predicting dire consequences for a system where the government did not control the system of product distribution. Without central planning to run things, they warned, then how would people know how many toothbrushes to send to this city or that? In fact, of course, private enterprise does a FAR better and FAR more efficient job of distribution than any government system.

I could go on and on about the massive number of examples of this, but no point I guess.




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Indeed, OP sounds stupid, as most of the time when talking politics.

I know some of you are going to go "Rachel Maddow gay liberal blah, blah", but take the time to watch this video. It lays out one instance of some of the shady voting changes going down in North Carolina now that Republicans are in charge.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-ma...4807/#52814807

This is not stuff made up by Maddow. It's all public record. The real question everyone should ask is "why"? Why are they going through so much trouble to change everything in the state as it pertains to voting? Specifically young or minority voters, who by the way don't help Republicans win elections when they come out to vote.

been to the airport lately?

I'm gonna go with there are creepy dishonest individuals and groups of individuals in both parties.... you 'conveniently' forget Obama's senate seat went up for sale when he started to campaign for the head cheese?

very good points.... the post office can't make a profit.... Ronald Regan: if it moves regulate it, if it stops moving subsidize it... :winkwink:

my father did not have a birth certificate, born at home, birth and death records kept at the church.... the church burned down :(

huh?
 

yes....all i see are rent-a-cops. your point?

remember the 'old days' when the cops caught you drinking or in general fucking up, they would dump the beer or whatever, call you an asshole and make you go home?

I remember driving with friends and making sure the beer was kept out of sight because if the police saw you drinking they would make you empty the cans. That was our only worry. No concern at all about drinking and driving or the fact we weren't of age.

I was pulled over once while drunk(with a carload of drunk people). The cop took the case of Lowenbrau, and let us go. He even saw loose 5.56 rounds on the floor.

If that happened today, the cop would probably pull his gun and shoot me as soon as he saw the bullets.

the world is so PC these days.. remember when if you were walking the sidewalk, and started fucking with some old guy he would slap the shit out of you, and that would be that?

once the cops told me I should be ashamed of fucking a fat girl, looked at my license and said "Brian you should be ashamed" poured out the beer and told me to go home :1orglaugh

Possibly, we don't have them here.

That's rich coming from one of the GFY racists. When have I ever used the excuse that I am white?

Guess you missed the next few words in the sentence.

He isn't the sharpest blade in the drawer.

Well, TBH, I was never much of an under-aged drinker, so I can't say I ever experienced that scenario.

The 4 listed I believe have your Photo ID on it.

The Gov assistance card does Not have your photo on it.

I did have a cop pull me over for burning rubber when I was going around a corner (it was completely unintentional, big motor in a small car). He had me get out and asked me if I was trying to impress the girl with me or something. I told him I did not need to do that as we lived together. He laughed and handed my papers back and let me go.

Another time I was riding my 1949 Panhead to work. Just as the light turned green a busy intersection, I stalled the bike. It was a pretty major intersection, rush hour, so I pushed it across (pretty pissed), put the kickstand down, started on the first kick, then tore off up the street. Soon there were sirens and lights as a TPD motorcycle cop pulled me over.

He came up and said, "all these people expect me to cite you, but I saw what happened, I just wanted to make them think I was citing you." He let me go . . . a few years later his daughter and mine were best friends and he and I would go riding together.

The he was a member of a very rare group - though less rare if he was also in Montana.

Look...the bottom line is that Mark Prince and MSNBC have declared that voting rights are now GONE in North Carolina.

RIP North Carolina.

I can only pray that they never ask for ID to vote here in Las Vegas or I too will lose my voting rights. :(

I was speaking about the south. I know exactly what I am talking about as I am probably one of the only southerners posting in this thread. How in the fuck can someone be in the stats if they do not report the birth? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh -- I am speaking of people who do not know what the cdc is and prefer "roots doctors" to medical doctors. the old ladies the media likes to parade out to the cameras? They know what "roots doctors" are.

Go condescend to someone else.

he was born and raised born in pink hill texas :2 cents: