no shit, you need ID to blow some asshole for an internet video but not to vote..... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh... Richard, this thread is AWESOME.... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't think the argument is that people can't get the proper ID it is the potential expense of getting that ID that is at question.

For many people having to spend $50-$100 (or in that range) to get an ID so they can vote isn't that big of a deal, but if you are on food stamp or welfare or medicaid or just very poor that can be a big chunk of money.

NC already thought of this.

http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/driver/id/

Well, half of what you just said is completely untrue.
I did not provide any proof of my social security number to get food stamps and they in fact told me it didn't matter.

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Here's the whole deal on a Republican : You know everything that you have nothing to do with.

1. You can explain the ghetto to a nigga, yet you never lived there.
2. You can tell a women how her pussy works and when a baby should stay in or come out, yet you don't even get any pussy. :1orglaugh
3. You know all the problems of the poor yet you claim to be wealthy.

4. This is why republican policies often cause more problems then they fix.


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Dude, you are getting too fucking stupid to talk to.

I'm turning over a new leaf, I don't want to debate with straight up dumb mofo's that try to call me stupid.

So STFU.

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make sure you don't joke about his exgf

itll get personal

I was wondering this myself as NC has a fairly large illegal immigrant population working in the agricultural sector. And at least 1 democrat, I forget where, proposed legislation that the right to vote should be given to non-citizens. Pretty outrageous even for DIMS.

In California you can get food stamps (CalFresh) and public/assistance without having a social security #.
I checked the apps out of curiosity.
You do not have to be a citizen for either here.

His money grows on trees so he doesn't understand how $20 for an ID is going to cripple a poor person who is begging for change on the sidewalk.
But hey, fuck it right; beggars don't need to vote for a better plan in America do they?

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Except now it turns out that they can get one for free.

Next argument?

Wait? I think I've got it. Now they can't get down to the DMV to get the free ID because they have no transportation! Genius!

It's extremely amusing how so many think that we as Americans, as humans, should be able to GET so much, but should not be required to GIVE back for the GET.

I can forgive you because I understand you are the product of poor parenting and inner city schools.

Richard is developmentally disabled AND Canadian so his misguided arrogance is also easily forgiven and even makes me feel a little guilty about how good I have it. I spend 3 hrs a day in the gym because i have nothing but free time and he spends 3hrs a day working for someone else to earn enough money for lunch.

Life's not fair.

That is good to hear. It fixes most of the financial issues that could come with this.

I still don't like that they knocked the early voting period down from three weeks to 10 days.

We have the right to anonymous voting. Sorry.

Shhhh!!! ;)

They went from 17 days to 10 days. But the law requires the same hours provided as before. Either by extended hours on those 10 days, or more locations on those same days.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-voter-id-law/

http://www.ibtimes.com/sonia-leticia...ection-1392511

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...ing-six-times/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...t-an-epidemic/

Are you for real? Here's just a couple of things the government does for you:

- Protects your freedom (though admittedly this may be a little hard to see sometimes unless you squint)

- Educates. Your schools and your kids schools are paid for by the government.

- Improves your health. You and everyone you know live longer now thanks to public sanitation, sewer systems and water treatment. Ever heard of the EPA?

- They build highways you know. And in case you forgot what you use to communicate with these days, they also built the Internet. And not many people know this but the governments (US and Canada) also invested in communication back when the telephone was brand new.

- Who do you think got us into space?

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

So in order to avoid the longer lines you will either have to drive further and go to a different location (depending on how the districts work).

It is dumb. They aren't going to save any money and likely will cost more with the extended hours and locations. It makes no sense other than to try to discourage some voters.

10 days of early voting is plenty as long as there is proper hours and enough voting locations to attend. And if you don't think you can do it on the 11 days of in poll voting, fill out an absentee ballot.

They are not contracting polling locations. The same distance you had in the last election, is the same as you will have this time. Any maybe an even shorter drive if they elect to do more stations, vs longer hours at each.

The only difference is you get 10 days vs 17 days of actual in person, early voting. That is a ton of time to get in and out and avoid Election Day lines.

I hear that all the time...but my question would be: If there are people voting several times using different names: HOW would they know that there is no voter fraud.

The other thing that is amusing to me is: They are only asking that a voter have a govt. issued picture ID.
The same one you need to buy a pack of smokes or a beer at the store, or go into a bar.

I shoot fucking porn scenes. I'm only allowed to use govt. issued picture ID's. NO...I can't use any other ID's.

So does that mean that all pornographers are taking away "fucking rights" because we require a proper ID.

Yes, that's right Mark Prince...here in the USA it requires proper ID to shoot a porno...but not to vote. :1orglaugh

I lost my ID two days ago. Today I couldn't even ship a package via UPS without one and some people think people should be able vote without one? That's fucking insane.

It's fucked up is what it is. Of COURSE you should have some kind of govt. issued picture ID. Anybody can get one.

But according to Democrat politicians (and the sheep who listen to them), black people are just too stupid and helpless to be able to have an ID.

It's an insult to all blacks.

I never suggested that they contracted the number of polling stations. They say they will increase the number and increase hours to make up for the fewer days. So far everywhere they have have contracted days, even with increased hours, (See Florida) it has resulted in longer lines.

So in NC a person is likely going to either have to wait in a longer line, go during a strange hour or go to a different location.

The reality is that more democrats vote early than republicans. Go here and see for yourself. In almost every state the early voting benefits democrats. Republicans don't like that and this is a way for them to limit that.

I have said it several times in this thread. There is no voter fraud problem in this country. They are claiming to fix a problem that does not exist when the reality is that they are just trying to limit the number of votes cast which aids republicans.

And AGAIN, I say: How do you know that?

If it's voter FRAUD, and they aren't checking ID's then NOBODY knows for sure.

That's the whole point of having an ID and making sure it's one man/one vote

I'm so sick of being a person who is required to do everything...and meanwhile I have to listen to people whine and complain about the stupidest shit and claim they just can't do it.

"I can't get an ID"
Oh yeah? Tell that to the cops when they ask you for your ID...those bastards will arrest you.
This is a ridiculous notion that in the year 2013 people are unable to have an ID. Bullshit.

Question.

Let's say I vote in District 25. Can I then go to District 27 and vote again? What about District 34? Could I theoretically go down the line and visit every district within my state within that timeframe and vote, and nobody would be the wiser? Furthermore, could I do that within each polling station within my own district?

There's no voter fraud problem in this country. There have been more than enough studies showing this. It's just desperate voter suppression, pure and simple.:2 cents:

"hey, this group of people is never going to vote for us. here's an idea...let's try to take their votes away! Brilliant!"

You don't KNOW that. You have no way of knowing if people are not voting over and over at different polling stations.

And you better believe that politicians have organizations that bus them around.
That shit has been going on for over a hundred years.

Once you have to show ID and you are recorded as having already voted on a database...THEN you can say there is no voter fraud.

There is absolutely, 100% NO reason for a person to not have an ID. Not in this day and age. No way.

I'm sorry, I have no sympathy for people that have to wait a little bit in order to early vote. If they changed it to one or two days only, ok that would be an argument. But this 10 days encompasses two full weekends in order to vote early. And if you still can't be bothered to wait, just vote via absentee ballot.

I know it because there have been numerous studies and stats released by the various states and investigative groups showing that cases of actual voter fraud are almost non-existent.

Does this mean that there has never been someone who voted more than once? No. Does this mean that there might be a few people out there who have perpetrated voter fraud? No. But the story being told is that there are legions of illegals who are casting ballots in the elections and there simply is no proof of that happening.

In Florida during the 2012 election there were about 8.4 million votes cast. The republican governor had an investigation done after the fact to see if there were large numbers of illegals voting. They found 1,800 ballots where they questioned whether or not the person was legal. They sent those people letters and are forcing them to show they are citizens or those votes won't count and they won't be allowed to vote in the future. 1,800 out of 8.4 million and those were just suspects. I have no idea how many actually turned out to be cast by illegals.

There is an easy solution to all of this. Do it as they do in my state and a growing number of states. Vote by mail. You get the ballot in the mail, fill it out and mail it back or drop it off in any number of drop spots. This way each person gets one ballot, there is no confusion about what precinct to go to, there are no lines, there is no shortage of voting machines, no voter intimidation. It is clear, easy and simple.

It also encourages voter turnout. My state consistently has over a 60% voter turnout which is about 8% higher than the national average and is always among the states with the highest voter turnout.

Of course many states won't do this because republicans know that the more people who vote the lower their chances of winning.

wow....mark, i'm gonna give you a pass on this one, because i really can't believe this response....
1. protects MY freedom? when was the last time anyone actually came to this country and threatened OUR freedom? this government does nothing but infringe on other peoples freedoms daily.
2. educates who? those that can afford an ivy league education. the rest get lied to with everything from "christopher columbus discovered america" to "god made the earth and all the creatures on it in seven days"
3. our roads, bridges and infrastructure was a great accomplishment sixty years ago. how did all those people live without pavement, sewers, and electricity?
4. health care, yeah, every person on this planet died a horrible death because they couldn't get an hmo, ppo, or fucking blue cross.
5. seriously? the fucking internet and telephones..........yep, Alexander Graham Bell got a huge government subsidy so he could introduce communication to the world.
6.space?????? i'm not sure i follow your logic on that one, but how has space exploration helped your life?.....and last time i checked, nasa was bankrupt and the space program is gone.


no hard feelings, etc etc etc etc etc.....you get the point.
and BTW, i hit you up on skype a while ago.

In theory you could, but it likely wouldn't count and you would likely get the police at your door.

The way it works in most states where they have precincts is that you show up and your name is on the roll. They mark that you have voted and you cast your ballot.

If you went to a different district your name would not be on their rolls. Most states will allow you to vote, but they will call the precinct you should have voted at and confirm that you haven't already voted there. You could use a different name, but unless you registered under that name, again, you won't be on the rolls and they will want to know where you live so they can check your home precinct to make sure you aren't voting twice.

The only way to get away with it would be to register under different names in different districts and then go to each of those locations. Most voter registration cards require you to put some kind of ID info on it either your SSN or your DL number or something like that. If those are bogus numbers they could come back as fake. If you are using someone else's it could come back as duplicate.

Dude, they have NO way to know if I go and vote ten times at different locations.
If I don't have to show my ID I can just use a different name at every polling location.

It's easy to do. And if you don't think that some of these career local, state, and federal politicians don't have groups of people doing that...then you aren't thinking clearly about it.

You're citing "studies" that have NO way of knowing anything because nobody has to show an ID. NOBODY knows how much voter fraud is going on.

So if you have to show your ID damn near everywhere you go...are you telling me that you honestly believe that there is a big number of poor, pitiful Democrat voters that somehow, some way don't have any ID at all?

How the fuck can that be?

Are they homeless bums on the streets? Because you can't even get the electricity turned on without ID. So I call BULLSHIT.

It's also amazing that you basically live in a cave when it comes to your knowledge of the poor in America.

I've never seen my name checked off of a "roll" as you say. Ever.

And as far as that goes...since I don't need any ID...what's to stop a person from doing it?
Nothing.

And again...there is absolutely no way to say that there is no voter fraud. They have no way of knowing it.

Hell, in the city of Chicago it's famous for the last 150 years or so for all the mass voter fraud.

I went to a private college in the sticks you dumbass.

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So when you walk into your precinct to vote they don't ask your name and look you up on a list?

There were stories pouring out of Ohio in the Kerry Vs Bush election about how the state had too few voting machines in the democrat heavy areas and they switched the rules about a week before the election about being able to vote at a precinct that wasn't yours. So they had people waiting in line 6-8 hours only to be told they have to go across town to a different place.

Prior to going to vote by mail I have always been asked for my name and had it checked against the voter rolls.

You really think there are groups put together by politicians and bused around town on election day to vote numerous times? In most states, because of the rolls, this isn't possible unless they have multiple fake registrations. Also, none of these people have ever come forward? In this day and age when a guy murders his wife and puts it on Facebook nobody has said anything?

I find it hard to believe.

In the end. I am not opposed to the ID system so long as there is something in place to help those who have little or no money or resources get the proper ID without having to spend money to do so. I do have a problem when they start reducing early voting days and changing laws that make it harder to vote.

Yup, you've obviously never voted. Now I'm just wondering if it is because you're not old enough.

That's weird. I've never not been checked off. :2 cents:

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really? that's the best you got? at least spell it out for me, what have i said that is sooooo juvenile? i'll be 40 next Wednesday and i have lived more than most people. i don't vote because i don't believe our votes matter. E.g. the electoral college and huge corporate donations......feel free to contact me if you wanna have an adult conversation about the voting process.