No because you don't have a car and that's why you don't have a drivers license to vote.

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Yo....

I get your point, but still. I'm not just talking about America, but Canada too. We're allowed to say and do just about anything we want. We have freedom of speech, freedom to carry guns, freedom to love and marry who we want, to vote, etc. Education is in a bad state but it can be fixed. Maybe the US health care system is weird but Canada and other countries have it free.

The Internet was invented by the government's DARPA. NASA is funded by the government (and no they're not bankrupt. They closed the shuttle program sure but the also sent robots to Mars, satelights to study the sun and planets. And let's not forget the moon missions, the Voyager crafts, etc. I was answering someone's "Why do we need government" question.

I don't see you on Skype, sorry - are you sure it was me you hit up? "markfrom2much".

I come from divorced parents that had blue collar jobs and 2 severely disabled children with high medical expenses. I know the poor life just fine. I didn't like it much. Great incentive for me, wish others were the same.

I don't push people down by expecting them to fail. I expect them to succeed, which will never happen as "we" constantly allow these people to fail by giving them just enough to get by but no real reason to step up and be the people they CAN be.

I was 18, had a 1942 45" chopper, extended front end, suicide shift, owned the bike for a couple days; no way was I going to pass the test with that. This chick I worked with had her boyfriend lend me his little Honda or Yamaha, don't recall, probably a 125 or something like that. They sent me out back on a cul-de-sac to wait for the guy that would test me (I heard it was figure 8's each way with feet on pegs). It took the guy a while to get there and I had only ridden it a couple miles to the DMV, so I decided to play with it; doing wheelies up the street when the tester came out. He just signed me off and told me to go in and get my license.

There must be another excuse.

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Voting periods; total bullshit. If time is an issue, go with absentee ballots.

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Or mail it in.

So, what is the cutoff line?

Every time I have visited a polling station they sure as hell lined my name out when I signed in. :2 cents:
Madea's College for Backward Kids?

http://img2-1.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic...ry-Madea_l.jpg

"these people"

Are you gritting your teeth while typing?

Didn't ever see a piece of paper with my name on it and a person marking it off. I have a dozen polling places nearby that I can vote at.

Maybe I just never noticed it before and these last few elections they are scanning my voter card instead?

Doesn't matter though. If a political campaign's local office wants to put together a few busloads of people to vote over and over at different polling stations it would be easy as pie as long as you don't show your ID.

For people to think it doesn't happen is just dumb. You would simply have several voter cards under different names.

Hell, this last election I changed from Democrat to Libertarian. I registered online and had my card mailed to me.
I suppose I could have done that a dozen times using a dozen names and had each card sent to a friends house for me to pick up.

Then I could have gone on a voting spree.

STFU race card player.

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Fuck! Your parents had jobs???

That must have made you poor as hell.

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I think you're trying to be helpful but this is absolutely ridiculous. Even assuming you don't understand what "often" means the home birth rate in the US is .72% and most home births occur in THE NORTHWEST. Most of those are BY CHOICE with a licensed midwife.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db84.htm

The healthcare system was not invented by government, it was invented by private people working as doctors and nurses. The Telephone system was not invented by government, it was invented by private business. The power grid was not built by government, it was built by private business. The Education system was not built by government, it was built by private teachers and people banding together to build a school for their communities. The original road system was all built by private companies and local people. The technology that that ARPA was based on was developed by IBM and Rand.

The government later came and took over or heavily regulated all of these things, but that does NOT mean that they were provided to us by government in the first place.

If government had taken over car production 100 years ago, we would all still be driving Model T's and people would be saying "Who would build cars if it wasn't for government?".

In fact, with the collapse of the Soviet Block in Eastern Europe, hard line party members were predicting dire consequences for a system where the government did not control the system of product distribution. Without central planning to run things, they warned, then how would people know how many toothbrushes to send to this city or that? In fact, of course, private enterprise does a FAR better and FAR more efficient job of distribution than any government system.

I could go on and on about the massive number of examples of this, but no point I guess.




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Indeed, OP sounds stupid, as most of the time when talking politics.

I know some of you are going to go "Rachel Maddow gay liberal blah, blah", but take the time to watch this video. It lays out one instance of some of the shady voting changes going down in North Carolina now that Republicans are in charge.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-ma...4807/#52814807

This is not stuff made up by Maddow. It's all public record. The real question everyone should ask is "why"? Why are they going through so much trouble to change everything in the state as it pertains to voting? Specifically young or minority voters, who by the way don't help Republicans win elections when they come out to vote.

been to the airport lately?

I'm gonna go with there are creepy dishonest individuals and groups of individuals in both parties.... you 'conveniently' forget Obama's senate seat went up for sale when he started to campaign for the head cheese?

very good points.... the post office can't make a profit.... Ronald Regan: if it moves regulate it, if it stops moving subsidize it... :winkwink:

my father did not have a birth certificate, born at home, birth and death records kept at the church.... the church burned down :(

huh?
 

yes....all i see are rent-a-cops. your point?

remember the 'old days' when the cops caught you drinking or in general fucking up, they would dump the beer or whatever, call you an asshole and make you go home?

I remember driving with friends and making sure the beer was kept out of sight because if the police saw you drinking they would make you empty the cans. That was our only worry. No concern at all about drinking and driving or the fact we weren't of age.

I was pulled over once while drunk(with a carload of drunk people). The cop took the case of Lowenbrau, and let us go. He even saw loose 5.56 rounds on the floor.

If that happened today, the cop would probably pull his gun and shoot me as soon as he saw the bullets.

the world is so PC these days.. remember when if you were walking the sidewalk, and started fucking with some old guy he would slap the shit out of you, and that would be that?

once the cops told me I should be ashamed of fucking a fat girl, looked at my license and said "Brian you should be ashamed" poured out the beer and told me to go home :1orglaugh

Possibly, we don't have them here.

That's rich coming from one of the GFY racists. When have I ever used the excuse that I am white?

Guess you missed the next few words in the sentence.

He isn't the sharpest blade in the drawer.

Well, TBH, I was never much of an under-aged drinker, so I can't say I ever experienced that scenario.

The 4 listed I believe have your Photo ID on it.

The Gov assistance card does Not have your photo on it.

I did have a cop pull me over for burning rubber when I was going around a corner (it was completely unintentional, big motor in a small car). He had me get out and asked me if I was trying to impress the girl with me or something. I told him I did not need to do that as we lived together. He laughed and handed my papers back and let me go.

Another time I was riding my 1949 Panhead to work. Just as the light turned green a busy intersection, I stalled the bike. It was a pretty major intersection, rush hour, so I pushed it across (pretty pissed), put the kickstand down, started on the first kick, then tore off up the street. Soon there were sirens and lights as a TPD motorcycle cop pulled me over.

He came up and said, "all these people expect me to cite you, but I saw what happened, I just wanted to make them think I was citing you." He let me go . . . a few years later his daughter and mine were best friends and he and I would go riding together.

The he was a member of a very rare group - though less rare if he was also in Montana.

Look...the bottom line is that Mark Prince and MSNBC have declared that voting rights are now GONE in North Carolina.

RIP North Carolina.

I can only pray that they never ask for ID to vote here in Las Vegas or I too will lose my voting rights. :(

I was speaking about the south. I know exactly what I am talking about as I am probably one of the only southerners posting in this thread. How in the fuck can someone be in the stats if they do not report the birth? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh -- I am speaking of people who do not know what the cdc is and prefer "roots doctors" to medical doctors. the old ladies the media likes to parade out to the cameras? They know what "roots doctors" are.

Go condescend to someone else.

he was born and raised born in pink hill texas :2 cents:

150 Voter Suppression Laws


Robbie, I do know that to my satisfaction. Regardless, I think we're actually discussing 2 different things.

1) Requiring an ID - i don't necessarily agree or disagree on this point.
2) Intent - This is the key thing. The intent of these laws is blatantly, painfully obvious: nullify the votes of those who would vote against the party spearheading these laws.

Correct. Democrats practice gerrymandering, but the Republicans have it mastered. It's pretty common knowledge among every political scientist ever that this is true.

It is the height of stupidity to think someone that is another country illegally is going to risk exposing themselves by attempting to vote in an election that they could care less about, doesnt effect them and have nothing to gain by doing it. And yes they do mark your name off the list when a registered voter votes otherwise this whole voter ID debate would not be the issue.

WOW - you have really drank the coolaid - ITS A FICTIONAL NON-PROBLEM CREATED BY GUYS LIKE YOU WHO DONT WANT MINORITIES, STUDENTS, AND SENIORS TO VOTE.

One question though - do you really believe the Fox News garbage your brain is filled with or do you knowingly support these immoral and illegal (in most cases) voter suppression tactics so that "White and Right" people like you can continue to rule the world?

So what if everyone agreed on the intent. That's understood. However, there is zero argument for not requiring a valid id to vote, establishing identity, residence and ones qualification to vote in the first place.

Seems like that would be an obviously important thing to do in a place that prides itself on being the worlds example of democracy.

It's the arguments that are retarded. There are none. Why should someone not be allowed to drink, drive, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, buy a gun etc etc etc etc etc without a valid government id... but anyone should be able to vote without one.

Furthermore, why is it so OK to Democrats to stick to an argument that black people just can't be expected to get any form of real ID? Thats the most insanely racist thing i've heard in a while.

The Modern definition of "Racist" is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal

Remember Acorn?
Or do you have the memory the size of a peanut?

Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html

People thinking that there is not any voter fraud out there are really not remembering the history of the past decade

Acorn.. isn't that the situation that ended up getting an Attorney General fired, because he wouldn't fabricate evidence?

or are you referring to the 'real' scandal of Acorn.. that video tape the pimp and ho, who were actually reporters for breitbart?

Once again, leave it to Vendzilla to cute and paste some stupid nonsense.

This means that people die and are not taken off the voter rolls, nothing else.

I don't remember everything about acorn, but that they lost in court and went bankrupt over the fraud

I personally don't think there is a lot of voter fraud, but I also don't think Eric Holder gives a rats ass about it by the way he handled the new Black Panthers.

I'm still waiting to hear a list of people that can't vote because they can't get one of the ID's listed.

I posted something I found, come back with proof that it's wrong!