Hell, even when I was in highschool everybody knew what "the clap" was.

Plus it's been the punchline in a lot of movies. Most recently the Russell Brand movie "Get Him To The Greek" when his band actually had a song called "We Got The Clap" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I would figure that most people know what "the clap" is just from hearing it in those contexts. :)

I think the bigger story is WHY he chose a lab other than CET or TTS In all the tests he posted I didnt see a hep test...cet and tts do those as routine now a private dr or lab wouldnt

I can see a test from a private source taking 3-5 days thats pretty normal

but I got a sneaking suspicion about why he didnt go to TTS or CET

Trust issues. Mainly because people like Mike South try to discredit certain clinics or APHSS by starting rumors and completely false claims like us owning CET and APHSS/FSC.

I try to help performers by spending a lot of my money on them and what happens? Mike South gets pissed because he thinks Manwin must be up to something evil. It's stupid all these conspiracies, it only hurts people.

I do not think Privacy issues, if they are a reason they are simply misinformation again.

Sorry, but all this shit you paste is half info, its missing a lot of details!

First off, it is NOT a test that returns a viral count! It is made for testing if there is any virus and simply returns a yes or no.

Second, if a test can not return a viral load since it finds no virus, as far as I understand infection is far less likely too. This is obviously not perfect, but as far as I am told and understand, it is as likely to infect as using a condom is.

Sadly nobody unbiased has ever explained or gave me info on it. So anyone that can comment with know-how instead of pasting some random website's info would be great.

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it achieved more clarification on your information and understanding of all this.

so it worked just fine, thanks.

Nathan, those trust issues go all way the way back to the IT dept. The previous system was hacked and personal info was leaked.

Not calling you out but if you care about performers so much, maybe you can start by getting people that know how to safeguard systems in there.

i use the system. I personally wish everyone did. People skirt the system. Look at this current case. Dude could have done to TTS or CET but no....


It's the same reason people went to Dr Riggs for years.

Where is the test?
 

It is Tuesday, 5pm, and I am looking for the promised test from bf.

He claimed he was going to post his results today (and he has posted some past results), but instead today, nothing.

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While I certainly hope he does not come back HIV positive, it is concerning that the results should have been back by now, yet there is silence now on this issue.

If he comes back positive, does that change the pool of who was potentially exposed, or otherwise impact the production moratorium?

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That said, I think it really says something about the state of the industry and the total lack of trust when Mike, who lives all the way in Atlanta, Georgia, can influence so many people in Los Angeles with his blog.

There is a reason people are listening to Mike, and that reason is probably the best place to start if you want to fix what is wrong. Mike didn't create the problem, he just happened to be the one so many are turning to when they want information, mostly because they, the talent, trust him right now, even if some of you running the industry do not or strongly disagree with what he says.

I'm just an outsider looking in on the situation, but it's pretty clear that the root of the problem needs to be fixed. Blaming Mike for his opinions is focusing on the wrong problem. If talent trusts Mike more than they do their agents or others in LA, and he and a few guys like him are the reason everyone can not get on the same page when it comes to testing, then that is due to leadership failure in the industry, and nothing more. It's also not a problem that happened over night. Many of these people have been screwed over time and time again, and I'm probably not too far off when I say they are probably sick of it, especially when their health and life is on the line.

After the AIM data breach and Porn Wiki Leaks fiasco, I personally won't be testing in any "industry standard" testing facility on my next working trip in the USA. I don't trust my data is safe, as it wasn't then. My name was on that list and I don't want it to be on the next one. And to be blunt, the porn industry is simply full of too many fuck ups to trust those in it with anything important.

Dear Mr. Insider, where is the test, or probably more accurately - tests? That is where the story is here.

Dear Deiter
Thank you for the acknowledgement of the breadth and depth of my reach. However I feel you give me far too much credit, I mean without a shit stain like you I would never have been able reach this level.

As for discrediting these people all I do is shine a light and show people where the cockroaches are.

I do hope that you continue to credit me for your woes and your discreditation, nothing would please me more than the thought of you in a jail cell cursing my name. of course you in a jail cell period comes damn close.....Cant wait....

AND Its lifted and everyone is allowed to go back to fucking on camera...

:error or :thumbsup ? You decide..

People can only skirt the System because studios do not use it!

And there is virtually no personal info in the database. And why do you claim it is unsafe? Was it hacked? Not to my knowledge. Are the people protecting it IT wise known for not knowing what they do? Not to my knowledge. So why is it unsafe? Just because AIM was?! That makes no sense.

A doctor and a testing clinic like CET or tts has more info on the performers, by far. Nobody seems to be afraid tts gets hacked?! Why?

Hey Deiter..... how is it Manwin knew about the positive test, including who it was HOURS (maybe more) before it appeared anywhere in print?

Of course DWB. Mike did not create the problem, mike is just one of the many people seeding false information in people's minds that causes them to doubt things and makes the problem bigger. Luckily far more people today do not believe him than those few that do, but it is not helping.

It also is causing much more issues outside of the industry than inside.

If you think it is a leadership issue, fine. It likely is, but that mainly comes from the fact that there is no leadership at all in the first place.
There likely is no fix for this. People have to decide if they trust a. System or not, if they do not, then they need to be comfortable with their choice. I think it is a huge mistake. I would not trust a paper test result. It is too easily fucked with. So I guess you will never be shooting for any production company working with us.

Haha ya that's why you are so concerned about it right?

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Mark, I have no idea where you get this claim from or how your brain invented it, so I can only guess.

We use APHSS/PASS and a second after a positive test is there that calls for a shooting stop all tests are invalidated in the system and thus not a single performer is cleared.

Possibly also we were informed by APHSS/PASS about the shooting stop before it hit the press.

I do not really understand how this is so impossible.

Us knowing any names, I have no clue, I knew no name until I read it online. I also do not care to know since the name changes nothing for me.

Interesting...since my FIRST TIP came from one of your employees.....BEFORE IT appeared anyplace else...they even knew who it was.

tell me again how I invented it.....and you wonder why people think you are a liar and a thief...ever look in a mirror everytime you open your mouth your foot goes in and your forehead lights up and says I am a liar and a thief.

You don't need me to make people not trust you, you do it yourself.

That's great mike.

None of this changes anything I said above. So keep on ranting and being proud about the crap you post day in and day out. It does not change my life one bit.

The only thing that is sad is that you drag others into the mud with you. But I guess that's their fault.

And btw, traffic stats shows only how many people read your site for entertainment or to protect themselves in case you post yet another bullshit lie. It has little to do with how many people believe you.

Check your comments man. It's mainly 3 people posting to congratulate you that clearly have many more issues than reading your site. What a huge achievement.

Mike, your latest post on your blog claims two things:

1) Xander Corvus is still within the exposure window
2) not all first gens were notified

Can you please explain or post proof for both? I just would like to better understand. I am not saying you are wrong, it just makes very little sense to me.

So I guess to answer that, we would need to know when exactly did Xander Corvus shoot with bay, and which first gens were not notified and how do you know?

Let me be perfectly clear I dont have to prove a fucking thing to you, but lets just say you ask around in your own company....you could verify what I said.

Should either of the first gen exposures who came to me and said they learned on my site that they had been exposed and still have not been notified wish to come forward I will let you know.

They provided proof of what they clamed to me and thats all I need.

nite nite Deiter.....enjoy your semi freedom while you can...

So you have no proof then and simply are claiming things without any true backup. You do not even know when Xander Corvus shot with bay?

How can you claim anything?

Hey Fabian

Since you are a defender/supporter of APHSS/PASS can you please reveal who all of the doctors are that comprise their Medical Advisory Board ?

I think people should know who these experts are. I would think that they should be world renown infectious disease specialists since they are making decisions as to HIV, Hep C and other STD issues.

Thanks...

Sorry to interrupt the politicalness that this thread has become with some facts..

Rod is Cameron Bays bf.. So his test is still not back and the source the of the HIV is still unknown...

Hi Michael,

I agree, people should know. Sadly I am not the person that can tell you. I know a few of the doctors on the Advisory Board, but not all of them. And I can not simply post information here. I do not know if the doctors asked to remain anonymous because they do not want to be linked to the industry publicly, I am not sure.

I do however as I said agree that I think PASS should tell people who it is. It should actually be on their website. I have no idea why it is not. I neither own, nor control FSC or PASS in any way thus I can not force them to do anything.

The people I do know that are on the board have had long history in STD research and HIV research since the early days.

BTW Michael, when we looked into APHSS when it first started, their protocols and such, we simply went to them and asked them questions and had their opinion verified by third party big name researchers. 5 of them from 5 different universities around the world (2 or 3 in the US if I remember correctly). To be sure that we can be comfortable with the medical advisory board APHSS had started to setup.

But the people we reached out to did not want to be publicly mentioned because of fear of being connected to the adult entertainment industry. I do not think you can blame them for that opinion.

I can blame them. If they are going to make decisions in regards to people's health they should be accountable. Would you take advice from a doctor that is too embarrassed to say he's your doctor ?

I think transparency is an absolute necessity in regards to lifting a moratorium in 5 days.

I said you can not blame the people that we reached out to separately.

The advisory board, I agree, should be public. As I stated above.

Heres a conspiracy for you.. Rod took down his tweets about him hoping to get his results back today. Anyone hear if he did or not?

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On his Twitter now:

His results aren't back...and yet the moratorium is lifted?!? Can someone from FSC comment?

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